The every-increasing fuel costs are not only affecting everyones budget, but it is also impacting almost everything else with increases to food by increasing fuel/transportation costs, higher energy costs to produce just about everything, etc. And with Obama not backing Israel and him taking sides with the Islamic nations in the middle east just adds to the instability. Yes, Obama has some, if not much, of the blame for our current situation. And this whole downfall of our economy was started back when the Democrats took control of the House and Senate, running their 'housing for all' experiment, and failing to pass a budget. This also adds to the instability of our currency in the world market, further creating strain on any chance of an recovering economy. But keep listening to the MSM, keep listening to those blue birds on your shoulder...
Happy Wife And Mom, on 01 April 2012 - 03:20 PM, said:
I cannot understand how the economy is crappy & so many people are out of work yet every restaurant on 278 was packed last night.
Just left an RV park in Fairhope, Alabama and every single site was taken, the town was packed with people spending money so all these folks that are wringing their hands do not appear to be in the majority.
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Happy Wife And Mom, on 01 April 2012 - 03:20 PM, said:
I cannot understand how the economy is crappy & so many people are out of work yet every restaurant on 278 was packed last night.
and has been that way for months and months and months .... day-in-day-out, you go through that area and all lots appear to have good traffic for sales, I'm not sure where I've seen the crowds decreased. Unless they all show up for the b1g1 food and go home, there are lots of people spending.
Hey, MrsHoward. Care to explain why you gave me a negative? All I did was point out the article MrDis linked did not support what he was saying and then I showed the Google links that the majority said $4 would not clamp down on the economy. Why the negative?
This post has been edited by zoocrew: 01 April 2012 - 04:12 PM
Just left an RV park in Fairhope, Alabama and every single site was taken, the town was packed with people spending money so all these folks that are wringing their hands do not appear to be in the majority.
Sorry, off topic...How was the RV Park? what's around Fairhope, AL?
I'm getting ready to take out the 5th wheel for a week or so, hadn''t decided where I want to go.
Care to explian what that has to do with the price of eggs in China? Let alone posting political crap in an obviously nonpolitical topic. If you have nothing worthwhile to add then you already know where the exit is.My link
I'm sorry but you zoocrew, do not form other's opinions. If feelip or anyone else has anything to add to this topic or any other topic, they certainly have a right to do so.
Thank goodness, you are not the omnipotent power of the world or even of p.com. Get over yourself and get a life.
Obviously, the President of the United States has quite a bit to do with the economy of our Country. YOU know where the exit is zoocrew..........
I'm sorry but you zoocrew, do not form other's opinions. If feelip or anyone else has anything to add to this topic or any other topic, they certainly have a right to do so.
Thank goodness, you are not the omnipotent power of the world or even of p.com. Get over yourself and get a life.
Obviously, the President of the United States has quite a bit to do with the economy of our Country. YOU know where the exit is zoocrew..........
I'm sorry but you Beach Bum do not form other's opinions. If I or anyone else has anything to add to this topic or any other topic, we certainly have a right to do so.
Thank goodness, you are not the omnipotent power of the world or even of p.com. Get over yourself and get a life.
Once again, this thread has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with Obama - please be respectful of everyone else on this site and start your own thread in the political forum. This thread concerns a different issue and has nothing to do with Obama. My Link
This post has been edited by zoocrew: 01 April 2012 - 04:18 PM
Sorry, off topic...How was the RV Park? what's around Fairhope, AL?
I'm getting ready to take out the 5th wheel for a week or so, hadn''t decided where I want to go.
Apologize for the off topic....
Since we're on a tangent, where is Fairhope, AL? My daddy loves his RV but they only get down here every year or so. Never thought RVing would be all that fun but that's just me.
This post has been edited by zoocrew: 01 April 2012 - 04:22 PM
Hey, MrsHoward. Care to explain why you gave me a negative? All I did was point out the article MrDis linked did not support what he was saying and then I showed the Google links that the majority said $4 would not clamp down on the economy. Why the negative?
I posted the article and it did say that THE ANALYSTS dis not think $4 was going to kill the economy. HOWEVER the article pointed out that certain factors were not factored in. Those include the prices of goods, services and the fact that this last winter was a very mild one all across the nation. That meant that these historically high energy costs were in part offset by much lower energy costs over the winter. But you seem to have either missed that part or just ignored it as usual for you.
It also pointed out that $4 would not do us any good either and that $5 would pretty much put a fork in any recovery. Which leaves the final point... do you actually believe that we have topped out in gas prices? But we already know you want $8.
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I'm sorry but you Beach Bum do not form other's opinions. If I or anyone else has anything to add to this topic or any other topic, we certainly have a right to do so.
Thank goodness, you are not the omnipotent power of the world or even of p.com. Get over yourself and get a life.
Once again, this thread has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with Obama - please be respectful of everyone else on this site and start your own thread in the political forum. This thread concerns a different issue and has nothing to do with Obama. My Link
YOU are not qualifed to judge as to whether or not the rest of us believe this thread is about Obama. You might try to practice what you preach every once in a while - try to be respectful instead of resorting to the constant name calling or the "attempted" belittling of others and their opinions.
I posted the article and it did say that THE ANALYSTS dis not think $4 was going to kill the economy. HOWEVER the article pointed out that certain factors were not factored in. Those include the prices of goods, services and the fact that this last winter was a very mild one all across the nation. That meant that these historically high energy costs were in part offset by much lower energy costs over the winter. But you seem to have either missed that part or just ignored it as usual for you.
Right. And with those factors already in play, it won't happen. That is what your own link said. Go back and read it again.
Here is the quote.
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Surging gas prices could wallop consumers if you assume all else is equal. But it's not. Recent headlines that read "Home Heating Costs Fall to Lowest Point Since 2001" draw less attention than those detailing higher gasoline prices, but they're just as important to households' finances.
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"We are inclined to conclude that $4.00 per gallon of gasoline will not derail the U.S. economy," S&P wrote, "but acknowledge that $5.00 per gallon presents an entirely different set of risks, especially as we approach the summer peak driving vacation months."
This post has been edited by zoocrew: 01 April 2012 - 04:25 PM
And if home heating prices had been normal? That WAS NOT FACTORED IN NOW WAS IT.
That's EXACTLY the point of the article. Those other prices were far below normal and it won't destroy us now. Your point is EXACTLY what the article was refuting.
Beach Bum, on 01 April 2012 - 04:24 PM, said:
YOU are not qualifed to judge as to whether or not the rest of us believe this thread is about Obama. You might try to practice what you preach every once in a while - try to be respectful instead of resorting to the constant name calling or the "attempted" belittling of others and their opinions.
I just quoted MrDis and you. Let's talk about your consistency. How about practicing what YOU preach.
This post has been edited by zoocrew: 01 April 2012 - 04:29 PM
That's EXACTLY the point of the article. Those other prices were far below normal and it won't destroy us now. Your point is EXACTLY what the article was refuting.
I just quoted MrDis and you. Let's talk about your consistency. How about practicing what YOU preach.
Mr. Dis is usually very respectful of other people's opinons. You, however, are not.
Natural gas -- which heats about half of U.S. homes -- has fallen 40% in the last year, with prices now near a decade low. The Energy Information Administration estimates that the average home that heats with natural gas will spend $204 less this year than they have during the average of the last five years. For a household using 60 gallons of gasoline per month, that savings offsets the entire recent spike at the pump.
Why don't we give credit to such savings? Duke economist Dan Ariely has a theory for why rising gasoline prices feel particularly miserable compared with other commodities. He explains:
For the several minutes that I stand at the pump, all I do is stare at the growing total on the meter -- there is nothing else to do. And I have time to remember how much it cost a year ago, two years ago and even six years ago. Yet I have no such memory about the prices of items in any other category. I have no idea how much milk was six years ago, how much bread was three years ago or how much yogurt was a week ago.
Or how much natural gas prices were a year ago, for that matter.
Another way to look at this is all energy consumption -- including gasoline, heating, electric utilities, etc. -- as a percentage of all consumer spending:
Sources: Bureau of Economic Analysis, author's calculations.
This chart ends in December, so it doesn't capture all of the rise in gasoline prices (or the more recent decline in natural gas prices). But what it shows is important: At best, energy consumption as a share of income is currently about average, if not a little below it.
"We are inclined to conclude that $4.00 per gallon of gasoline will not derail the U.S. economy," S&P wrote, "but acknowledge that $5.00 per gallon presents an entirely different set of risks, especially as we approach the summer peak driving vacation months."
That seems like a reasonable stance. Never underestimate the wrath caused by high gas prices -- and rising gas prices are something to be legitimately upset about -- but paying $4 at the pump might not be the nail in the coffin some presume it will be.
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That's EXACTLY the point of the article. Those other prices were far below normal and it won't destroy us now. Your point is EXACTLY what the article was refuting.
I just quoted MrDis and you. Let's talk about your consistency.How about practicing what YOU preach.
And you have not answered the question. Do YOU think that gas prices will stop at $4? We are only on Apr 1 and gas prices generally do not peak until end of May. At .10 cents per week in increases as we have seen on average that would put us where? Somewhere around $4.80. So $4.50 is not hard to imagine and that is where I said we would likely be this summer. And that puts us we'll into the realm of bad news. Spin it any way you like, I could care less what you think.
As far as the in country destinations being booked, well duh, the travel agencies have been saying for a while that people here will be vacationing near their homes. Travel to typical destinations that are distant or outside the US are way down. People still want and need a break from all the crap heaped upon us and will just go to closer less exspensive locations.
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And you have not answered the question. Do YOU think that gas prices will stop at $4? We are only on Apr 1 and gas prices generally do not peak until end of May. At .10 cents per week in increases as we have seen on average that would put us where? Somewhere around $4.80. So $4.50 is not hard to imagine and that is where I said we would likely be this summer. And that puts us we'll into the realm of bad news. Spin it any way you like, I could care less what you think.
As far as the in country destinations being booked, well duh, the travel agencies have been saying for a while that people here will be vacationing near their homes. Travel to typical destinations that are distant or outside the US are way down. People still want and need a break from all the crap heaped upon us and will just go to closer less exspensive locations.
Yes, gas prices will drop. They may go above $4 in these parts but not much, barring something that happens like another tsunami. Gas prices are already dropping and will continue. That's what I'm reading. I could always be wrong but I trust the experts on this, and from what I'm reading, gas won't go up much above where we are now. It could but not $5.
Remember, you said $4 would completely destroy the recovery. My Link Well, we're at $4 gas and the recovery is still going. I think I will trust the track record of the experts here.
This post has been edited by zoocrew: 01 April 2012 - 04:46 PM
Since we're on a tangent, where is Fairhope, AL? My daddy loves his RV but they only get down here every year or so. Never thought RVing would be all that fun but that's just me.
RVing is a lot of fun, meet some great people. I'll have to google Fairhope, not sure where that is.
Fairhope is right on Mobile Bay.
This post has been edited by gonefromhere: 01 April 2012 - 04:56 PM
Yes, gas prices will drop. They may go above $4 in these parts but not much, barring something that happens like another tsunami. Gas prices are already dropping and will continue. That's what I'm reading. I could always be wrong but I trust the experts on this, and from what I'm reading, gas won't go up much above where we are now. It could but not $5.
Remember, you said $4 would completely destroy the recovery. My Link Well, we're at $4 gas and the recovery is still going. I think I will trust the track record of the experts here.
I said OVER $4 go back and look. I still say it will go over $4 and likely to $4.50. I could be wrong but that is yet to be seen. If you think they have peaked you are out of your mind. I do not think too many folks out there share your misplaced optimism. And the article itself confirms what I stated in your linked post. That prices above $4 will not be good and that is simplistic.
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RVing is a lot of fun, meet some great people. I'll have to google Fairhope, not sure where that is.
Fairhope is right on Mobile Bay.
My dad says the same thing. He and mom went to Maine last summer. That was the furthest trip they took. The rest of the summer they stay in PA and upstate NY. Dad says he likes it more than Mom does but she is happy doing it too. Just never seemed to make much sense to me. I'd rather rent a car and stay in hotels. But vacationing is not what in the budget right now so we make do with stuff at home, anyway.
Mr.Dis, on 01 April 2012 - 04:59 PM, said:
I said OVER $4 go back and look. I still say it will go over $4 and likely to $4.50. I could be wrong but that is yet to be seen. If you think they have peaked you are out of your mind. I do not think too many folks out there share your misplaced optimism. And the article itself confirms what I stated in your linked post. That prices above $4 will not be good and that is simplistic.
Got it bookmarked. We'll see.
We can handle $4 gas easily. That's what the articles were saying. $5 is another matter. I just read a lot and those articles I'm reading say something different than what you're saying. So I guess we'll see.
Here's what you said. Secondly is fuel prices. Forget Iran... Fuel prices are going up no matter what. This summer we will pass $4/gal and it will likely stay there. That alone will likely kill any kind of market rally from a newly completed housing balancing
This post has been edited by zoocrew: 01 April 2012 - 05:05 PM
Sorry, off topic...How was the RV Park? what's around Fairhope, AL?
I'm getting ready to take out the 5th wheel for a week or so, hadn''t decided where I want to go.
Apologize for the off topic....
Fairhope is outside Mobile and is close to the gulf coast. Artsy, quaint, southern. It was our maiden voyage with the new travel trailer. I think it would be a good home base if you wanted to do the gulf coast.
I made the mistake of bringing our three dogs. Now, THAT was crazy! I have ingested enough dog hair to choke an elephant!
High jack over.
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My dad says the same thing. He and mom went to Maine last summer. That was the furthest trip they took. The rest of the summer they stay in PA and upstate NY. Dad says he likes it more than Mom does but she is happy doing it too. Just never seemed to make much sense to me. I'd rather rent a car and stay in hotels. But vacationing is not what in the budget right now so we make do with stuff at home, anyway.
Got it bookmarked. We'll see.
We can handle $4 gas easily. That's what the articles were saying. $5 is another matter. I just read a lot and those articles I'm reading say something different than what you're saying. So I guess we'll see.
Here's what you said. Secondly is fuel prices. Forget Iran... Fuel prices are going up no matter what. This summer we will pass $4/gal and it will likely stay there. That alone will likely kill any kind of market rally from a newly completed housing balancing
Pass / go over / exceed / surpass/ be greter than. They all me gas prices will be above $4 / gal.
Here is another link for you to enjoy that supports the fact that I see $4.50 as the likely mark.
"I see $3.50 as a minimum and $4.50 as the likely price for the next year and pushing higher the next. Insurance would be $50 / month. So at the minimum I would pay $145 / month out of pocket and at the maximum $200 / month."
Some say higher some say lower. Some places are already over $4.50.
What will happen is only a guesstimate. Mine is near $4.50 here. I won't bet my life on it but that is my belief. And if PIBO releases the oil from our SORs that will definately push the price down Heck just look at the last week. The mere signaling that he and other nations were willing to do that drove down prices what? $2 /barrl. But then it will be gone and need to be replaced. And... There is no actual emergency in play right now that would technically allow him to do that.
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I don't think Obama is even remotely a good President and I don't think he comes close to serving the best interests of the majority of the people of the United States - so there, that is my opinion about Obama. But then again, this thread is not about Obama - start your own thread.
The issue at hand is that consumer confidence is getting better. My link
I'm so sorry that you just simply can't accept that others might have different opinons than yours. My post was completely on topic - take it or leave it. Or as you advised feelip earlier - simply exit.
I'm so sorry that you just simply can't accept that others might have different opinons than yours. My post was completely on topic - take it or leave it. Or as you advised feelip earlier - simply exit.
Has nothing to do with your opinion. The thread is not about politics. If you can't view anything someone says without politics getting in the way, you need some help.
I do find it quite hypocritical that I can quote YOUR OWN WORDS and you have two sets of standards. If YOU don't like what someone says about politics, YOU castigate them. But then you turn around and do the same thing you condemn? Hypocrite.
The "exit" remark was a quote from MrDis. I find it amazing you wouldn't say anything to him about that remark but you do to me? The hypocrisy gets even brighter.
This post has been edited by zoocrew: 01 April 2012 - 06:03 PM
I hope you're right but, for employees of the Paulding County School district, its not looking up. I'm not sure how it will shake out for everyone but right now it seems some of us will have at least 10 and as many as 12 furlough days next year. At best it will equal the most we've had, but at worst we will surpass our previously held record of 10. The employer contribution for insurance is also being cut, so the average employee will lose quite a bit of pay each month. The school system is the county's largest employer, so I don't think that economic upturn has reached our area just yet.
(Before anyone posts about it, I am grateful to have a job, insurance, and summers off ---but furloughs and smaller pay checks when you're doing more work still stink)
Has nothing to do with your opinion. The thread is not about politics. If you can't view anything someone says without politics getting in the way, you need some help.
I do find it quite hypocritical that I can quote YOUR OWN WORDS and you have two sets of standards. If YOU don't like what someone says about politics, YOU castigatge them. But then you turn around and do the same thing you condemn? Hypocrite.
So when you don't have a valid argument, you, as usual, resort to name calling. I feel really bad for you.
Please note....I didn't resort to calling other's names that have different opinions than mine. YOU, however, did.
This post has been edited by Beach Bum: 01 April 2012 - 06:03 PM
Thankfully, when you just about reach the bottom, you eventually have to start climbing upwards again. I just wonder where our U. S. economy would be today if Obama, his administration and their failed economic policies had not been a factor.
I personally am of the opinion that we would be substantially better off if Obama had not been elected. Of course, that would mean that some of Obama’s supporters would actually have to get off their rear ends and actually “work” for a living.
Top 6 Reasons Obama's Economic Policies Failed in 2011: http://www.huffingto..._b_1175365.html
Politically and economically, the U.S. in 2011 fell flat on its face. There are several reasons why our government miserably failed us this year but the most devastating reason is that it did absolutely nothing to help the economy. In fact, the Obama administration helped make matters worse.
Judging by his actions, it seems that Barack Obama is becoming one of the most anti-small business presidents in U.S. history. People need to stop listening to what he says and start watching what he does.
Oh well…….we are all entitled to our opinions but as someone who has worked her tail off for 32 years now, I certainly am of the opinion that Obama and his FAILED economic policies need to go. My opinion, of course.
In reality, I am quite sure that Obama will serve a second term because there are more ignorant, needy people in the U.S. than there are intelligent, self-reliant ones. Such a shame………(my opinion, of course).
The Republican party has already to committed to making this campaign about the economy, That is their best shot at wining back the presidency. This is exactly why certain people keep bringing up the presidents name and pointing out how bad things are. Heck people have been called idiots in this thread for pointing out that restaurants, Hotels, campgrounds ect are all operating at or near capacity. Why are they doing this? Because they want this moved to the political forum where it won't be seen by many and contradict the economy is so bad message they are feeding them.
I hope you're right but, for employees of the Paulding County School district, its not looking up. I'm not sure how it will shake out for everyone but right now it seems some of us will have at least 10 and as many as 12 furlough days next year. At best it will equal the most we've had, but at worst we will surpass our previously held record of 10. The employer contribution for insurance is also being cut, so the average employee will lose quite a bit of pay each month. The school system is the county's largest employer, so I don't think that economic upturn has reached our area just yet.
(Before anyone posts about it, I am grateful to have a job, insurance, and summers off ---but furloughs and smaller pay checks when you're doing more work still stink)
It is not easy out there! I hired 2 professional staff last week and they and they had been looking for two months. I also hired 2 techs who had been looking a lot longer.
Just hang in there!
Nobody likes taxes but without it, we can't have the services. I do understand that sometimes tax increases are a "necessary evil".
This post has been edited by zoocrew: 01 April 2012 - 06:09 PM
Let me get this straight, I point out your own words but when I use them, you get upset? And calling out the hypocrisy is name calling?
I think everyone can see you're being quote two faced here.
Oh my....you are giving yourself way too much credit. You are not capable of upsetting me. I see you are continuing with the name calling by caling me two faced.
I am simply voicing my opinion in this topic and I am so sorry that you are getting so upset by that simple fact.
If and when Pubby decides that I don't get to voice my opinion in this topic, I will continue to do so.
Oh my....you are giving yourself way too much credit. You are not capable of upsetting me. I see you are continuing with the name calling by caling me two faced.
I am simply voicing my opinion in this topic and I am so sorry that you are getting so upset by that simple fact.
If and when Pubby decides that I don't get to voice my opinion in this topic, I will continue to do so.
So you are trying to get the thread off topic and derail it. Classy.
So you are trying to get the thread off topic and derail it. Classy.
It is really simple. The topic is about the economy and I am posting my opinions about the economy (please refer to my above post).
I am simply of the opinion that our economy would be much better off right now if it hadn't been for Obama and his failed economic policies.
P. S. I really don't care if you think I am classy or not. My husband of 32 years, my children, my grandchildren, my family, my friends, my professional acquitances all seem to think I am classy so I guess it doesn't really matter what others that I don't know in real life think.
This post has been edited by Beach Bum: 01 April 2012 - 06:18 PM
The Republican party has already to committed to making this campaign about the economy, That is their best shot at wining back the presidency. This is exactly why certain people keep bringing up the presidents name and pointing out how bad things are. Heck people have been called idiots in this thread for pointing out that restaurants, Hotels, campgrounds ect are all operating at or near capacity. Why are they doing this? Because they want this moved to the political forum where it won't be seen by many and contradict the economy is so bad message they are feeding them.
I hope no one would intentionally try to get a thread moved to where people won't see it. Surely that is not the case. I would like to think better of everyone than that.
Happy Wife And Mom, on 01 April 2012 - 03:20 PM, said:
I cannot understand how the economy is crappy & so many people are out of work yet every restaurant on 278 was packed last night.
I can eat out every now and then with friends, but I buy less at the grocery store when I do. I also do not plan any vacations for Spring Break and/or this summer. Maybe I will get to go fall break when I can catch unbelievable deals. I have been wanting to buy a new car, but I've put it off for several years, hoping that next year will be better...but it won't...see my previous post. I also have refrained from buying many of the new gadgets other people enjoy.
I have a family member who's family chooses to rarely eat out, but puts that money into other things.
It is about choices, and with our economy, instead of doing all of the above as we used to do, we are having to choose either/or.
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