Yep. Those photos of a black teen in a hoodie conjur up the image of Black Thugs out to kill Whitey, and rape and pillage. The bigotry is that anyone who doesn't dress, look, sound and have the same ideas as "white America" is somehow worthy of death because he has to be out for no good.
The death penalty for black teens who don't know their place, right?
America needs to grow up and remember that people are people and not a classification.
It's not illegal to grow up black in America. Yet.
Really? The police report says otherwise. Gave Trayvon's height as 6 feet and weight of 160. It also states that he had at least 3 inches of height on Zimmerman. You can also note that the police report was completed only 7 hours (and maybe a few minutes) after the incident. It also lists SIX witnesses.
Happy Wife And Mom, on 25 March 2012 - 05:37 PM, said:
The kid WALKED PAST HIM, he is the one that turned around and followed him. He said so on the 911 call. Also Trayvon may have been tall, but he weighed 135 pounds.
See, no one in the South ever asks if you have crazy people in your family. They just ask which side they're on. -- Julia Sugarbaker
In loving memory of Mason (December 1, 2001 to December 9, 2001) and Ashley Jr. (December 1, 2001 to December 2, 2001)
Yep. Those photos of a black teen in a hoodie conjur up the image of Black Thugs out to kill Whitey, and rape and pillage. The bigotry is that anyone who doesn't dress, look, sound and have the same ideas as "white America" is somehow worthy of death because he has to be out for no good.
The death penalty for black teens who don't know their place, right?
America needs to grow up and remember that people are people and not a classification.
And actually, you brought up a point in that the reverse is the same. Everyone that doesn't dress, look and have the same ideas as "black America" doesn't need to be subjected to violence either. I am not condoning any type of racism, and in my opinion, it is simply unreasonable to judge ANY person by their race.
There is such a thing as reverse racism. I unfortunately was a victim of that a few years ago when I was walking from an event at the Marriott Marquis to my car to a parking deck nearby. I always valet park downtown; however, I arrived late at the event at the valet parking was full. I was simply walking down the sidewalk, minding my own business and not uttering a word.
The words that I heard from the 3 black males that walked behind me will forever echo in my mind (as they were grabbing at me).....that white chick needs to be put in her place, that white chick needs to know what a __________ feels like, that white chick...... and you know what, thankfully, a group of people walked around the corner just as I was encountering these IDIOTS and most likely, they saved my life. IT GOES BOTH WAYS PEOPLE!!!!!!! I have never, not once in my life treated any person of any other race as inferior and this incident still happened with me and can happen to anyone. I didn't provoke this, I was minding my own business while simply trying to get back to my car to drive home.
Please be fair and don't act like this only happens to black people. I have lots of friends that are black and they were very supportive of me during this horrible incident. They have enough common sense to know that it is not a "one-way issue and that right is right and wrong is wrong....no matter what race you are!
This post has been edited by Beach Bum: 25 March 2012 - 08:11 PM
I read a lot of the stories, a lot I dismissed, I focused on the 911 tapes, the testimony of the girl on the phone with him and the backgrounds of both men. IMO, the girl on the phone is not an "eyewitness" as an eyewitness has first hand knowledge of a crime through SEEING it. Hearing one side of a phone conversation hardly qualifies as being an eyewitness.
I also took into account that the parents didn't immediately start screaming about a racial profile, they ask for help after more facts came to life. Apparently they asked a family friend, an attorney.
I have been scanning the articles for facts and completely dismissing the gasoline of the Black Panthers and the protest along with editorials I am seeing.
The facts are going to come out because the parents ask for further investigation. I think the parents really don't want the truth to come out. I saw their interview with Anderson Cooper and every single time he said "the truth will come out", the mom looked nervous.
I don't care if you arrest 200 people a week for criminal activity and 199 of them are black, you do your job the right way every single time without question.
You detain the man claiming self defense and check the 911 tapes, the witnesses ect. THEY DID!
It is a shame in this day and time we need protest to get the police to do their job.
You know what? it is perfectly alright for those protesting to be in the right.
It's about justice. This kid should have never died and would not have had this man done as he was told by authorities.
He deserved the whoopin he got and probably deserves more, we will see when the investigation is complete.
We don't give vigilantes a pass in this society, the problems we have now are due in part to vigilantes, some known as night riders and other such names.
The list of injustices visited up black Americans is longer than your arm, and we want to wonder why we have civil right groups in this country.
I never saw a single all white protest against a lynching and I am not expecting to ever see one in my lifetime we have left it up to black Americans to be on watch and to guard against the injustices then want to turn on them when they do it.
JSBoss, on 25 March 2012 - 05:49 PM, said:
I am supposed to believe someone sitting on their couch in Paulding County, Georgia over the Sanford, FL police and an eye witness who was standing a few feet form the actual incident???
I have reading skills. I can read police reports and other reports about an issue and make up my own mind. Maybe because I don't listen to NPR or Fox News all day.
jenilyn, on 25 March 2012 - 05:53 PM, said:
I find the absolute certainty you have in your posts to be amazing, almost like you were there. As far as I know there is an investigation still going on. Maybe they should give you a call. seems you got it all figured out.
And reports are that he was NOT following him.
BTW, it's riddance not riddens.
2witty4u, on 25 March 2012 - 06:18 PM, said:
Good freaking bye!!!! Don't let the door knob hit you where the good Lord.......... you know the rest. There is a differnece in protecting and standing up for yourself. They clearly told him do not follow him, but he kept following him. If Im threatened, im sure as hell not going to continue to follow the person who is threatening me. If your reasoning for wanting to move to Florida is that you can shoot and kill people without just cause, then good riddens!!!!!!
But Zimmerman was not in Trayvon's back yard. I think it was the other way around.
PUBBY, on 25 March 2012 - 06:19 PM, said:
No, but if you shoot someone - anyone - in my backyard I want you arrested first and let the criminal justice system sort it out.
pubby
See, no one in the South ever asks if you have crazy people in your family. They just ask which side they're on. -- Julia Sugarbaker
In loving memory of Mason (December 1, 2001 to December 9, 2001) and Ashley Jr. (December 1, 2001 to December 2, 2001)
I have reading skills. I can read police reports and other reports about an issue and make up my own mind. Maybe because I don't listen to NPR or Fox News all day.
And reports are that he was NOT following him.
BTW, it's riddance not riddens.
But Zimmerman was not in Trayvon's back yard. I think it was the other way around.
I would not have issues with Mr. Zimmerman being cleared after a thorough investigation of the matter. It is the lack of a thorough investigation that bothers me in the light of things that have come out.
I don't think that neighborhood watch people should be armed, that bothers me also.
I don't mind engaging in the debate with you, I am sorry that some in here have responded personally and somewhat insultingly to you when we are simply discussing our points of view on the subject
I would not have issues with Mr. Zimmerman being cleared after a thorough investigation of the matter. It is the lack of a thorough investigation that bothers me in the light of things that have come out.
I don't think that neighborhood watch people should be armed, that bothers me also.
I don't mind engaging in the debate with you, I am sorry that some in here have responded personally and somewhat insultingly to you when we are simply discussing our points of view on the subject
What makes you think there hasn't been a through investigation? Because he wasn't arrested? Why are we assuming because someone was shot and no one was charged that it wasn't investigated.
Isn't it just as likely that the teen got confrontational as it is that Zimmerman shot him in cold blood?
He was being followed by a badgeless man in an unmarked vehicle....wouldn't you be a bit confrontational?
mrnn
"Republicans have been fleeced, exploited, and lied to by the conservative entertainment complex" -- David Frum, Former Bush Speechwriter and directer of Republican Jewish Coalition
It doesn't bother me, so don't let it bother you. I'm trying to get to Florida just as quickly as I can. Seriously.
LPPT, on 25 March 2012 - 07:48 PM, said:
I don't mind engaging in the debate with you, I am sorry that some in here have responded personally and somewhat insultingly to you when we are simply discussing our points of view on the subject
See, no one in the South ever asks if you have crazy people in your family. They just ask which side they're on. -- Julia Sugarbaker
In loving memory of Mason (December 1, 2001 to December 9, 2001) and Ashley Jr. (December 1, 2001 to December 2, 2001)
I would not have issues with Mr. Zimmerman being cleared after a thorough investigation of the matter. It is the lack of a thorough investigation that bothers me in the light of things that have come out.
I don't think that neighborhood watch people should be armed, that bothers me also.
I don't mind engaging in the debate with you, I am sorry that some in here have responded personally and somewhat insultingly to you when we are simply discussing our points of view on the subject
That's my problem with this entire issue. How do you or Mr. Obama know that there has not been a thorough investigation? Is it that the findings were not what you guys wanted to hear?
And again I have to ask, just what does the police department have to gain by half-assing the investigation?
Let me answer for ya. The media turned this into a circus and it didn't take long for the clowns to show up.
Maybe poker's just not your game Ike. I know! Let's have a spelling contest!
What makes you think there hasn't been a through investigation? Because he wasn't arrested? Why are we assuming because someone was shot and no one was charged that it wasn't investigated.
Yep. Those photos of a black teen in a hoodie conjur up the image of Black Thugs out to kill Whitey, and rape and pillage. The bigotry is that anyone who doesn't dress, look, sound and have the same ideas as "white America" is somehow worthy of death because he has to be out for no good.
The death penalty for black teens who don't know their place, right?
America needs to grow up and remember that people are people and not a classification.
It's not illegal to grow up black in America. Yet.
zoocrew, on 25 March 2012 - 06:12 PM, said:
And exactly how do you know who started the fight to begin with? Who was the one that escalated the confrontation with the "tough words" and who was the one that started shoving first? Which of the two was "standing their ground?"
All we know is that Zimmerman went after the kid after being told not to, and then there was an altercation and Zimmerman pulled the trigger. The kid was not armed except for the Skittles, the hoodie and the iced tea. Zimmerman had a gun. That's all we know for sure.
Don't be led around by the nose like you're saying others are.
Well that, and don't bring Skittles to a gunfight, that rainbow ain't going to do much for you.
This post has been edited by i_have3dogs: 25 March 2012 - 08:15 PM
I fantasize about my dogs having jobs. I pretend that both of them are window cleaners and their kennel is their first starter home. I think the bigger dog is trying to bump off the smaller dog so he can have the kennel to himself. I know I have a problem, but don't animals have to earn a living too?
Dogs may not be our whole lives, but they make our lives whole.
A dog is not "almost human" and I know of no greater insult to the canine race than to describe it as such.
The more I see of humans, the more I admire dogs.
He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life, his love, his leader.
He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion.
The dog is a gentleman, I hope to go to his heaven, not man's.
What makes you think there hasn't been a through investigation? Because he wasn't arrested? Why are we assuming because someone was shot and no one was charged that it wasn't investigated.
For one thing the girlfriend had not come forward, which in itself is highly suspicious, she should have said something right away.
The police chief resigned, why?
He admits to following the kid and he has a record of assault and claims from an ex on record.
He is a rule breaker, neighborhood watch is not supposed to be armed, or pursue suspicious people.
The rules don't seem to apply to Mr. Zimmerman.
He is the one and only reason this kid is dead, had he not pursued him, not confronted him or carried a gun, this kid would be alive today.
What do you do, let this man go and say don't do that again
What if he does do it again, why would he not do it again, the consequences of his mistake were all on this kid and the people that loved him.
And actually, you brought up a point in that the reverse is the same. Everyone that doesn't dress, look and have the same ideas as "black America" doesn't need to be subjected to violence either. I am not condoning any type of racism, and in my opinion, it is simply unreasonable to judge ANY person by their race.
There is such a thing as reverse racism. I unfortunately was a victim of that a few years ago when I was walking from an event at the Marriott Marquis to my car to a parking deck nearby. I always valet park downtown; however, I arrived late at the event at the valet parking was full. I was simply walking down the sidewalk, minding my own business and not uttering a word.
The words that I heard from the 3 black males that walked behind me will forever echo in my mind (as they were grabbing at me).....that white chick needs to be put in her place, that white chick needs to know what a __________ feels like, that white chick...... and you know what, thankfully, a group of people walked around the corner just as I was encountering these IDIOTS and most likely, they saved my life. IT GOES BOTH WAYS PEOPLE!!!!!!! I have never, not once in my life treated any person of any other race as inferior and this incident still happened with me and can happen to anyone. I didn't provoke this, I was minding my own business while simply trying to get back to my car to drive home.
Please be fair and don't act like this only happens to black people. I have lots of friends that are black and they were very supportive of me during this horrible incident. They have enough common sense to know that it is not a "one-way issue and that right is right and wrong is wrong....no matter what race you are!
Give me a break. That is not reverse racism. That is a group of guys acting like jerks. Only a bigot would try to make it a racist thing.
From all indications, the black kid who was killed was just trying to get back home, too. He was just minding his own business. Consistency.
This post has been edited by zoocrew: 25 March 2012 - 08:19 PM
For one thing the girlfriend had not come forward, which in itself is highly suspicious, she should have said something right away.
The police chief resigned, why?
He admits to following the kid and he has a record of assault and claims from an ex on record.
He is a rule breaker, neighborhood watch is not supposed to be armed, or pursue suspicious people.
The rules don't seem to apply to Mr. Zimmerman.
He is the one and only reason this kid is dead, had he not pursued him, not confronted him or carried a gun, this kid would be alive today.
What do you do, let this man go and say don't do that again
What if he does do it again, why would he not do it again, the consequences of his mistake were all on this kid and the people that loved him.
Maybe the girl didn't come toward because shes not telling the truth now. Why wait until the victims parents confront her about it to say something? I would really question why it took his parents talking to her to say something. The police chief resigned under pressure from people who were turning this into a racial issue. So he took himself out of the equation. And why should he have to face the consequence if what he did was legal? According to the law in the state of Florida he is legally allowed.to use deadly force if he is being attacked. There is an eyewitness who says he.was being attacked. Why do you give more weight to the witness on the phone that was silent for 3 weeks over the eyewitness interviewed hours after the incident?
LPPT, on 25 March 2012 - 08:11 PM, said:
In your condition I would hope not
Being 9 months pregnant should make me more confrontational
zoocrew, on 25 March 2012 - 08:13 PM, said:
Give me a break. That is not reverse racism. That is a group of guys acting like jerks. Only a bigot would try to make it a racist thing.
Why is this case a racist thing? Its a man shooting a teen. I for one believe Zimmerman would have acted exactally the same thing had it been a white teen with all the same circumstance.
Give me a break. That is not reverse racism. That is a group of guys acting like jerks. Only a bigot would try to make it a racist thing.
From all indications, the black kid who was killed was just trying to get back home, too. He was just minding his own business. Consistency.
YOU ARE WRONG! I didn't try to make it a racist thing - they did. Read my above post very, very slowly again and you "might" be able to see where you are wrong.
Maybe the girl didn't come toward because shes not telling the truth now. Why wait until the victims parents confront her about it to say something? I would really question why it took his parents talking to her to say something. The police chief resigned under pressure from people who were turning this into a racial issue. So he took himself out of the equation. And why should he have to face the consequence if what he did was legal? According to the law in the state of Florida he is legally allowed.to use deadly force if he is being attacked. There is an eyewitness who says he.was being attacked. Why do you give more weight to the witness on the phone that was silent for 3 weeks over the eyewitness interviewed hours after the incident?
Being 9 months pregnant should make me more confrontational
Why is this case a racist thing? Its a man shooting a teen. I for one believe Zimmerman would have acted exactally the same thing had it been a white teen with all the same circumstance.
In case you're not following along, I was answering Beach Bum's post that said it was not a black or white thing. Please try to keep up because it makes it hard to carry on a conversation.
And what evidence do you have Zimmerman would have acted the same way had it been a white kid that "looked" like he belonged? Please. Tell that one to someone who is completely sedated to get an affirmative response.
This post has been edited by zoocrew: 25 March 2012 - 08:25 PM
For one thing the girlfriend had not come forward, which in itself is highly suspicious, she should have said something right away.
The police chief resigned, why?
He admits to following the kid and he has a record of assault and claims from an ex on record.
He is a rule breaker, neighborhood watch is not supposed to be armed, or pursue suspicious people.
The rules don't seem to apply to Mr. Zimmerman.
He is the one and only reason this kid is dead, had he not pursued him, not confronted him or carried a gun, this kid would be alive today.
What do you do, let this man go and say don't do that again
What if he does do it again, why would he not do it again, the consequences of his mistake were all on this kid and the people that loved him.
The police chief resigned because he chose to do so due to the way the case was escalating into a race issue and a perceived lack of proper procedure by him, by taking himself out of the picture he can let the department do the investigation without fear or suspicion that he is influencing it.
If someone has a permit to carry a weapon, then as long as they are not in an area that prohibits weapons or the use of a firearm he is within his right to carry one. He was advised not to follow Martin, however there have been times when a person has called 911 and been advised to keep the subject in sight but not to apprehend or approach them, but they can follow at a safe distance. The advise was given to him by a 911 operator, not an official law enforcement officer. We still don't what happened before the confrontation occurred, or how or why Zimmerwan attacked.
This is what goes back to the initial posting of this thread, media has tainted how we see this entire case. We are going on what we have been told, and then interpreted what the calls are.
I fantasize about my dogs having jobs. I pretend that both of them are window cleaners and their kennel is their first starter home. I think the bigger dog is trying to bump off the smaller dog so he can have the kennel to himself. I know I have a problem, but don't animals have to earn a living too?
Dogs may not be our whole lives, but they make our lives whole.
A dog is not "almost human" and I know of no greater insult to the canine race than to describe it as such.
The more I see of humans, the more I admire dogs.
He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life, his love, his leader.
He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion.
The dog is a gentleman, I hope to go to his heaven, not man's.
NOPE! When they said "white" it was then about race. Unless of course, you think there should be a double standard.
And you're not black to know the experience the black community feels as it is goes through the experience every day. The double standard is that you're applying your experience on an entire race. Please be more in tune with reality.
In case you're not following along, I was answering Beach Bum's post that said it was not a black or white thing. Please try to keep up because it makes it hard to carry on a conversation.
I think your basic lack of personal skills is probably why it makes it hard for you to carry on a conversation. Bless your heart.
And you're not black to know the experience the black community feels as it is goes through the experience every day. The double standard is that you're applying your experience on an entire race. Please be more in tune with reality.
Reality is that there are laws that apply to us all equally. You people sure do a lot of assuming.
Maybe poker's just not your game Ike. I know! Let's have a spelling contest!
YOU ARE WRONG! I didn't try to make it a racist thing - they did. Read my above post very, very slowly again and you "might" be able to see where you are wrong.
Then why would you even mention "reverse racism?" That is what you said you were a victim of in that situation. Here is your quote.
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There is such a thing as reverse racism. I unfortunately was a victim of that a few years ago when I was walking from an event at the Marriott Marquis to my car to a parking deck nearby. I always valet park downtown; however, I arrived late at the event at the valet parking was full. I was simply walking down the sidewalk, minding my own business and not uttering a word.
I said that was NOT a racism thing but a group of guys being jerks. YOU said it was reverse racism. How very sad to view the world like that.
This post has been edited by zoocrew: 25 March 2012 - 08:37 PM
Well God knows police reports are never wrong On the 911 call that Zimmerman Trayvon was approaching Zimmerman, shortly after he was following Trayvon and the 911 operator said sir we don't need you to do that. I'm glad I live in Paulding County and not Sanford, FL where they apparently have crappy response times to 911 calls.
Then why would you even mention "reverse racism?" That is what you said you were a victim of in that situation. Here is your quote.
I did throw out that term and I wrongly did so (see my response to feelip). Take it or leave it - racism comes in all forms and fashions and it doesn't just happen to one race, it happens to all of them at one time or another. It is not exclusive to blacks.
Once more for the slow kids: IT IS NOT NECESSARILY AGAINST THE LAW TO SHOOT AND KILL A PERSON!
I already said that. In fact, had you bothered reading or being able to acutally comprehend what I have said, you would have realized that I said that very thing. My link
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Problem is, I'm not sure Zimmerman is (technically) a "murderer." I don't think he broke the FL law. He "stood his ground." At best he acted recklessly. Perhaps involuntary manslaughter. Realistically? Proving he didn't feel threatened is going to be very difficult.
Reality is that this is exactly why we shouldn't have these sort of laws on the books. When Bronson carries and confronts anyone (good guy or bad guy), the situation can escalate in a hurry and someone is going to feel like their life is threatened.
The police chief resigned because he chose to do so due to the way the case was escalating into a race issue and a perceived lack of proper procedure by him, by taking himself out of the picture he can let the department do the investigation without fear or suspicion that he is influencing it.
If someone has a permit to carry a weapon, then as long as they are not in an area that prohibits weapons or the use of a firearm he is within his right to carry one. He was advised not to follow Martin, however there have been times when a person has called 911 and been advised to keep the subject in sight but not to apprehend or approach them, but they can follow at a safe distance. The advise was given to him by a 911 operator, not an official law enforcement officer. We still don't what happened before the confrontation occurred, or how or why Zimmerwan attacked.
This is what goes back to the initial posting of this thread, media has tainted how we see this entire case. We are going on what we have been told, and then interpreted what the calls are.
I agree that media is trying this case in the court of popular opinion just as we are here.
The further investigation is warranted, I will be comfortable with the findings. A lot of people will always say it was a media hack job no matter the outcome.
It never hurts to scrutinize a situation further.
No matter what the outcome is, I would never be comfortable with this man being armed and playing watchman.
His actions directly caused this tragedy, not a kid walking home with Skittles, tea and talking to a girl on the phone.
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