\So why does one shooting in Florida warrant weeks of national news? Why has there been thousands of articles a day, for the last four days, about one single shooting?Almost all of the news items about George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin contains a combination of false statements, opinions presented as facts, transparent distortions, and a complete absence of some of the most relevant details. Almost all news items are written soley from the point of view of the grieving family. The media also fills their articles with outdated baby-faced pictures of Trayvon. Very few include that he was a towering 6'2" football player. Is the media really reporting the news, or is this classic agitation/propaganda to advance a political agenda.
..... Many news articles have also claimed the neighborhood is "mostly white." This is also a lie. The neighborhood is only 49% white. It is over half non-white.
..... The neighborhood this took place in has seen a lot of crime. Would you be surprised to learn that there were eight burglaries, nine thefts, and a shooting just in the past year? In fact, the local homeowners' association reports that George Zimmerman actually caught one thief and aided in the apprehension of other criminals. The Miami Herald wrote about this on March 17th. None of the thousands of articles and cable news segments that came after, thought this was important. ....
Whatever your opinion is, the media probably has a lot to do with it. Because those decisions were made from the information that made selectively made available to you.
This post has been edited by i_have3dogs: 25 March 2012 - 12:45 PM
I fantasize about my dogs having jobs. I pretend that both of them are window cleaners and their kennel is their first starter home. I think the bigger dog is trying to bump off the smaller dog so he can have the kennel to himself. I know I have a problem, but don't animals have to earn a living too?
Dogs may not be our whole lives, but they make our lives whole.
A dog is not "almost human" and I know of no greater insult to the canine race than to describe it as such.
The more I see of humans, the more I admire dogs.
He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life, his love, his leader.
He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion.
The dog is a gentleman, I hope to go to his heaven, not man's.
Whatever your opinion is, the media probably has a lot to do with it. Because those decisions were made from the information that made selectively made available to you.[/size][/font][/left]
My opinion has a lot to do with hearing the 911 calls. Zimmerman said the boy was coming towards him. Then Zimmerman was pursuing him. When the 911 operator asked Zimmerman where the police should meet him he instead gave his number as he was still following Trayvon. The 911 operator told him "Sir, we don't need you to do that". Zimmerman still followed him. The screams for help were that of a boy, not Zimmerman. If you fear for your safety, you do not pursue the person you fear. He killed that boy and his ass should be in jail.
Happy Wife And Mom, on 25 March 2012 - 11:43 AM, said:
My opinion has a lot to do with hearing the 911 calls. Zimmerman said the boy was coming towards him. Then Zimmerman was pursuing him. When the 911 operator asked Zimmerman where the police should meet him he instead gave his number as he was still following Trayvon. The 911 operator told him "Sir, we don't need you to do that". Zimmerman still followed him. The screams for help were that of a boy, not Zimmerman. If you fear for your safety, you do not pursue the person you fear. He killed that boy and his ass should be in jail.
Happy Wife And Mom, on 25 March 2012 - 11:43 AM, said:
My opinion has a lot to do with hearing the 911 calls. Zimmerman said the boy was coming towards him. Then Zimmerman was pursuing him. When the 911 operator asked Zimmerman where the police should meet him he instead gave his number as he was still following Trayvon. The 911 operator told him "Sir, we don't need you to do that". Zimmerman still followed him. The screams for help were that of a boy, not Zimmerman. If you fear for your safety, you do not pursue the person you fear. He killed that boy and his ass should be in jail.
Agreed.
today is tomorrow's yesterday.
If they laugh at you because you're different, laugh at them because they're all the same.
Happy Wife And Mom, on 25 March 2012 - 11:43 AM, said:
My opinion has a lot to do with hearing the 911 calls. Zimmerman said the boy was coming towards him. Then Zimmerman was pursuing him. When the 911 operator asked Zimmerman where the police should meet him he instead gave his number as he was still following Trayvon. The 911 operator told him "Sir, we don't need you to do that". Zimmerman still followed him. The screams for help were that of a boy, not Zimmerman. If you fear for your safety, you do not pursue the person you fear. He killed that boy and his ass should be in jail.
Really?? How do you know?? To use ZC famous words " That's not what I'm Reading"
The media manipulates the gullible. Faux News is a prime example.
ALL news is a prime example! They sensationalize everything and yes, the gullible fall for it. The other day there was a school bus accident. They blow up the story and then in the end tell us there were no children on board. While any human life is valuable the media thrives on death and controversy. It is truly sickening. I rate the media reporters at the bottom along with lawyers that defend child abusers/murders.
In addition, there is NO WAY for ANYONE to make a judgement call in this case without ALL of the facts. Do any of us have those? NO! Therefore, we don't have a clue what happened. The media doesn't know either as far as that goes.
This post has been edited by icare: 25 March 2012 - 12:23 PM
[/size][/font][/left]Whatever your opinion is, the media probably has a lot to do with it. Because those decisions were made from the information that made selectively made available to you.
Not meeee!!!!!....but the only thing I've read about it was the crazy thread on p.com and I know better than to absorb any 'news' from here.
My opinion was swayed by the 911 tape. I don't even really care whose voice that was screaming (though, it sounds to me like a young kid, not the dude on the phone) - if someone is rapidly following me, you best bet I'm going to defend myself. The 911 operator told him, specifically, that they didn't need to follow them, and he said 'Okay' and did it anyway...then wants to complain about self-defense? No, sorry. I can't chase someone down and then get mad if they attack me (if he was even attacked....who knows). Women are taught to attack if someone is shadowing/following them around when they're alone, but it's okay to murder a kid if he does the same? Double standards. I strongly believe that if it were a black man who had done this to a white kid, he would have been arrested the day it happened.
Happy Wife And Mom, on 25 March 2012 - 11:43 AM, said:
My opinion has a lot to do with hearing the 911 calls. Zimmerman said the boy was coming towards him. Then Zimmerman was pursuing him. When the 911 operator asked Zimmerman where the police should meet him he instead gave his number as he was still following Trayvon. The 911 operator told him "Sir, we don't need you to do that". Zimmerman still followed him. The screams for help were that of a boy, not Zimmerman. If you fear for your safety, you do not pursue the person you fear. He killed that boy and his ass should be in jail.
^^ that.
Happy Wife And Mom, on 25 March 2012 - 12:36 PM, said:
Wonder how it will all change when Trayvon's 911 call is released.
I wasn't aware there was a 911 call from Trayvon. What little I've read said he was on the phone with his girlfriend.
"I'm not raising a child...I'm raising an adult" - LGM
'you get mega cool points for being a rare breed of woman who knows how to keep her mouth closed!!!!' - Anonymous, awesome p.commer.
[/size][/font][/left] Whatever your opinion is, the media probably has a lot to do with it. Because those decisions were made from the information that made selectively made available to you.
I read a lot of the stories, a lot I dismissed, I focused on the 911 tapes, the testimony of the girl on the phone with him and the backgrounds of both men.
I also took into account that the parents didn't immediately start screaming about a racial profile, they ask for help after more facts came to life.
I have been scanning the articles for facts and completely dismissing the gasoline of the Black Panthers and the protest along with editorials I am seeing.
The facts are going to come out because the parents ask for further investigation.
I don't care if you arrest 200 people a week for criminal activity and 199 of them are black, you do your job the right way every single time without question.
You detain the man claiming self defense and check the 911 tapes, the witnesses ect.
It is a shame in this day and time we need protest to get the police to do their job.
You know what? it is perfectly alright for those protesting to be in the right.
It's about justice. This kid should have never died and would not have had this man done as he was told by authorities.
He deserved the whoopin he got and probably deserves more, we will see when the investigation is complete.
We don't give vigilantes a pass in this society, the problems we have now are due in part to vigilantes, some known as night riders and other such names.
The list of injustices visited up black Americans is longer than your arm, and we want to wonder why we have civil right groups in this country.
I never saw a single all white protest against a lynching and I am not expecting to ever see one in my lifetime we have left it up to black Americans to be on watch and to guard against the injustices then want to turn on them when they do it.
That fool was trigger happy, he took his little position as neighborhood watchman too seriously. He was eager to find something so that he could use his authority. He automatically thought the worse of Trayvon because he was black, and didnt feel like he belonged in that neighborhood, oh yeah he had a hoodie on. All black boys across this nation better be warned, no hoodies, no skittles and no canned sweet tea. They told him not to follow him, but he did. Why he has not been arrested? Who knows, but hopefully they get some sense real soon and arrest him.
You detain the man claiming self defense and check the 911 tapes, the witnesses ect.
It is a shame in this day and time we need protest to get the police to do their job.
That I have to disagree with, if you knew you would get arrested for defending yourself then you're stuck in the position of acting to protect the safety and well being of yourself and others, or second guessing your actions which could get you killed or hurt. You give your side, the police take the report and that of witnesses, if need be they conduct a further investigation on based on the information and evidence they gather, then the decision is made to arrest that person or not.
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You know what? it is perfectly alright for those protesting to be in the right.
It's about justice. This kid should have never died and would not have had this man done as he was told by authorities.
He deserved the whoopin he got and probably deserves more, we will see when the investigation is complete.
We still don't know the exact story, Zimmerman did have a wound to the back of his head. Did it get there because he was hit from behind, or did it get there because of an altercation he provoked? That is still to be found out. I can't say he deserved the beating he got, because it's still unknown what happened between the calls or before them. It's possible that Zimmerman started the altercation or that Martin started the altercation. It could also be a combination between the two, Zimmerman was concerned and Martin took it as being harassed because he was black.
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We don't give vigilantes a pass in this society, the problems we have now are due in part to vigilantes, some known as night riders and other such names.
The list of injustices visited up black Americans is longer than your arm, and we want to wonder why we have civil right groups in this country.
I never saw a single all white protest against a lynching and I am not expecting to ever see one in my lifetime we have left it up to black Americans to be on watch and to guard against the injustices then want to turn on them when they do it.
There have been many injustices against blacks, is it fair to consider everything an injustice when committed against a black person. Probably not, but it does happen because of past injustices.
Not everything is an injustice against blacks, nor whites, hispanics, or whatever race the individual or group happens to be. Sometimes it is, and sometimes they just happen to be black, white, hispanic, etc.. But society does allow it and accept to a degree because if the society doesn't, they are labeled a bigot or a racist. Not everything is about skin color, and the ironic thing about this whole situation is that the media have labeled Zimmerman as white, when he is not white. He is hispanic, if his last name was Alvarez, Hidalgo, or Chimichanga I doubt the story would be receiving the attention it does.
We allow things to become what they are because too often we are too concerned what someone else will think of us when we express what we think is right or wrong. If it had been the other way around, then it could have been seen as a black man shoots a 'white' kid, or a white man shoots a hispanic kid.
My interest in this isn't really who was right or who was wrong, but who is thought to have been right and wrong because of what the the media has been telling us, and how the media has presented it. It's a shame that two lives were affected by this, one lost his and the other will be affected by it for the rest of his life. Beyond that, people are killed everyday because of what one person thought, or what they thought was right or the thing to do.
I fantasize about my dogs having jobs. I pretend that both of them are window cleaners and their kennel is their first starter home. I think the bigger dog is trying to bump off the smaller dog so he can have the kennel to himself. I know I have a problem, but don't animals have to earn a living too?
Dogs may not be our whole lives, but they make our lives whole.
A dog is not "almost human" and I know of no greater insult to the canine race than to describe it as such.
The more I see of humans, the more I admire dogs.
He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life, his love, his leader.
He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion.
The dog is a gentleman, I hope to go to his heaven, not man's.
If you think Fox News is the only one that manipulates facts then you are the gullible.
Where did I say Faux News is the only one that manipulates? You're sure reading a lot into my post that is not there.
I simply used Faux as the example the overwhelming majority around here think never manipulates. All commercial operations sensationalize and target their audience for the purpose of selling ad space. That's why I prefer non-commerical news.
2witty4u, on 25 March 2012 - 02:54 PM, said:
That fool was trigger happy, he took his little position as neighborhood watchman too seriously. He was eager to find something so that he could use his authority. He automatically thought the worse of Trayvon because he was black, and didnt feel like he belonged in that neighborhood, oh yeah he had a hoodie on. All black boys across this nation better be warned, no hoodies, no skittles and no canned sweet tea. They told him not to follow him, but he did. Why he has not been arrested? Who knows, but hopefully they get some sense real soon and arrest him.
Where did I say Faux News is the only one that manipulates? You're sure reading a lot into my post that is not there.
I simply used Faux as the example the overwhelming majority around here think never manipulates. All commercial operations sensationalize and target their audience for the purpose of selling ad space. That's why I prefer non-commerical news.
+10
I was more than a little unhappy with a Huffington post editorial.
I was more than a little unhappy with a Huffington post editorial.
They decided to run an article with statements of Zimmerman's good friend talking about him crying for days about killing the kid.
You know if I was over zealous, confronted a kid, got myself beat for disobeying the dispatcher, then found myself possibly facing murder charges I would be crying to.
He may have never planned on shooting the kid, it may have not been racial.
The bottom line he was trying to exercise authority he didn't have over someone he had no business doing it to and it went bad. It went this bad because he had armed himself, something according to the neighborhood watch rules he was not supposed to do.
This all comes down to him playing cop, and honestly it makes me mad. LE take psychological test and extensive training, they earn the authority.
This deserves a lot more than don't let it happen again.
They decided to run an article with statements of Zimmerman's good friend talking about him crying for days about killing the kid.
You know if I was over zealous, confronted a kid, got myself beat for disobeying the dispatcher, then found myself possibly facing murder charges I would be crying to.
He may have never planned on shooting the kid, it may have not been racial.
The bottom line he was trying to exercise authority he didn't have over someone he had no business doing it to and it went bad. It went this bad because he had armed himself, something according to the neighborhood watch rules he was not supposed to do.
This all comes down to him playing cop, and honestly it makes me mad. LE take psychological test and extensive training, they earn the authority.
This deserves a lot more than don't let it happen again.
That's exactly my point, too.
Then we pass laws on the books that encourage this sort of thing and it will happen more. Put more guns in the middle of bad situations and good people do stupid things, all in the name of "standing your ground" because no one can push you around.
Senseless.
A kid is dead because Zimmerman was embolden to play Rambo after the FL legislature passed the law that gave him a huge ego. This sort of right wing nut law is coming to GA, compliments of Tim Bearden and Company.
This post has been edited by zoocrew: 25 March 2012 - 04:48 PM
Murder. When you aren't a cop, a rent-a-cop, even a damn security guard yet drive around a neighborhood as a self-appointed (and untrained) neighborhood watch captain carrying a loaded weapon and just happen to end up popping an unarmed kid who was screaming help as he lay on the ground, well, you're a trucking murderer.
mrnn
"Republicans have been fleeced, exploited, and lied to by the conservative entertainment complex" -- David Frum, Former Bush Speechwriter and directer of Republican Jewish Coalition
The media will hype anything from a thunderstorm to a murder.
The reality here is simply this:
You have a teenager who is shot to death by a grown man.
You have stories that have the teen attacking the man which were probably glossed over by some in the media.
You have stories that have the man stalking the teen which are established by 911 tapes.
That is the reality as presented to police in this sleepy southern burg.
The questions arise whether the man (Zimmerman) was a latent racist out to kill the kid? Whether the kid by attacking the man was effecting self defense (was the gun drawn?) and a host of other questions (were drugs involved, etc.)
Those elements will all come out where? In a formal investigation right?
Will the investigation be comprehensive? Maybe.
Is there not a presumption that a crime was committed by the man with a gun? Maybe, based on the interpretation of the stand ones ground law. Was there conclusive evidence that this law would provide vindication for the shooter in this case? No, but it was not absolutely clear that it wouldn't.
When you are arrested innocently, what is the favorite line of many in law enforcement?
Tell it to the judge.
The failure and the entire bruhaha regarding this case was the judgement by the Police in this berg that serve the role of judge and jury, not by arresting this man, but by not arresting him given the murky nature of the evidence.
There are cases where it is clear that one has the right to stand their ground and use superior force. This was demonstrably not one of those cases.
That understanding becomes clear if the racial make of the victim and the shooter were reversed.
In that case, the officer on the scene would have made an arrest for murder and said to the shooter when he protested that he was standing his ground, that that particular argument should be presented to the judge.
Murder. When you aren't a cop, a rent-a-cop, even a damn security guard yet drive around a neighborhood as a self-appointed (and untrained) neighborhood watch captain carrying a loaded weapon and just happen to end up popping an unarmed kid who was screaming help as he lay on the ground, well, you're a trucking murderer.
mrnn
You've nailed it.
Problem is, I'm not sure Zimmerman is (technically) a "murderer." I don't think he broke the FL law. He "stood his ground." At best he acted recklessly. Perhaps involuntary manslaughter. Realistically? Proving he didn't feel threatened is going to be very difficult.
Reality is that this is exactly why we shouldn't have these sort of laws on the books. When Bronson carries and confronts anyone (good guy or bad guy), the situation can escalate in a hurry and someone is going to feel like their life is threatened.
Nope. If he did anything wrong, he WOULD be in jail.
Happy Wife And Mom, on 25 March 2012 - 11:43 AM, said:
My opinion has a lot to do with hearing the 911 calls. Zimmerman said the boy was coming towards him. Then Zimmerman was pursuing him. When the 911 operator asked Zimmerman where the police should meet him he instead gave his number as he was still following Trayvon. The 911 operator told him "Sir, we don't need you to do that". Zimmerman still followed him. The screams for help were that of a boy, not Zimmerman. If you fear for your safety, you do not pursue the person you fear. He killed that boy and his ass should be in jail.
See, no one in the South ever asks if you have crazy people in your family. They just ask which side they're on. -- Julia Sugarbaker
In loving memory of Mason (December 1, 2001 to December 9, 2001) and Ashley Jr. (December 1, 2001 to December 2, 2001)
So, do I understand correctly and we should all just roll over and give up if we feel threatened because we might be accused of being racist? When did standing up for YOURSELF become a crime?
God I can't wait to move to Florida! At least there, I have a prayer that I won't be prosecuted should the unfortunate event come that I am attacked and I defend myself.
See, no one in the South ever asks if you have crazy people in your family. They just ask which side they're on. -- Julia Sugarbaker
In loving memory of Mason (December 1, 2001 to December 9, 2001) and Ashley Jr. (December 1, 2001 to December 2, 2001)
Nope. If he did anything wrong, he WOULD be in jail.
Not according to the stand your ground law, that's why it has to go before the grand jury. There is standing your freaking ground and looking for a freaking fight.
This post has been edited by Happy Wife And Mom: 25 March 2012 - 05:27 PM
Kinda hard to look for a fight with a 6 ft 2 inch 17 year old kid on top of you beating the tar out of you.
Happy Wife And Mom, on 25 March 2012 - 05:26 PM, said:
Not according to the stand your ground law, that's why it has to go before the grand jury. There is standing your freaking ground and looking for a freaking fight.
See, no one in the South ever asks if you have crazy people in your family. They just ask which side they're on. -- Julia Sugarbaker
In loving memory of Mason (December 1, 2001 to December 9, 2001) and Ashley Jr. (December 1, 2001 to December 2, 2001)
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So, do I understand correctly and we should all just roll over and give up if we feel threatened because we might be accused of being racist? When did standing up for YOURSELF become a crime?
God I can't wait to move to Florida! At least there, I have a prayer that I won't be prosecuted should the unfortunate event come that I am attacked and I defend myself.
Kinda hard to look for a fight with a 6 ft 2 inch 17 year old kid on top of you beating the tar out of you.
The kid WALKED PAST HIM, he is the one that turned around and followed him. He said so on the 911 call. Also Trayvon may have been tall, but he weighed 135 pounds.
It amazes me that people in Paulding County, Georgia are convinced that Zimmerman attacked Martin.
The Sanford, FL police report here POLICE REPORT and a statement from an eye witness who was mere feet away say that Zimmerman was the one who was attacked. WITNESS STATEMENT
But one man's testimony could be key for the police.
"The guy on the bottom who had a red sweater on was yelling to me: 'help, help…and I told him to stop and I was calling 911," he said.
Trayvon Martin was in a hoodie; Zimmerman was in red.
The witness only wanted to be identified as "John," and didn't not want to be shown on camera.
His statements to police were instrumental, because police backed up Zimmerman's claims, saying those screams on the 911 call are those of Zimmerman.
"When I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point," John said.
Zimmerman says the shooting was self defense. According to information released on the Sanford city website, Zimmerman said he was going back to his SUV when he was attacked by the teen.
Sanford police say Zimmerman was bloody in his face and head, and the back of his shirt was wet and had grass stains, indicating a struggle took place before the shooting.
I am supposed to believe someone sitting on their couch in Paulding County, Georgia over the Sanford, FL police and an eye witness who was standing a few feet form the actual incident???
You are being led around by the media by that ring in your nose, just like a cow. And not to mention that a host on MSNBC news (Al Sharpton) is leading the protest. Talk about a conflict of interest.......or should I say a cooperation of interests.
Kinda hard to look for a fight with a 6 ft 2 inch 17 year old kid on top of you beating the tar out of you.
I find the absolute certainty you have in your posts to be amazing, almost like you were there. As far as I know there is an investigation still going on. Maybe they should give you a call. seems you got it all figured out.
today is tomorrow's yesterday.
If they laugh at you because you're different, laugh at them because they're all the same.
Happy Wife And Mom, on 25 March 2012 - 11:43 AM, said:
My opinion has a lot to do with hearing the 911 calls. Zimmerman said the boy was coming towards him. Then Zimmerman was pursuing him. When the 911 operator asked Zimmerman where the police should meet him he instead gave his number as he was still following Trayvon. The 911 operator told him "Sir, we don't need you to do that". Zimmerman still followed him. The screams for help were that of a boy, not Zimmerman. If you fear for your safety, you do not pursue the person you fear. He killed that boy and his ass should be in jail.
I agree. I listened to the 911 call as well as a neighbor who called in while Zimmerman was yelling at then shooting the kid.
I find the absolute certainty you have in your posts to be amazing, almost like you were there. As far as I know there is an investigation still going on. Maybe they should give you a call. seems you got it all figured out.
A lot of people have the same certainty in their posts, whether they believe it was Martin or Zimmerman that started the altercation. Even those that have listened to the 911 tapes have decided who was yelling or who attacked who. All of those opinions are still precipitated in some way by the media coverage of the events. Even the way the tapes are introduced. There are some sides that say it was Martin's voice who can be heard yelling for help, others say it was Zimmerman. Even according to one report, Martin's own father claimed it was not Martin's voice.
Even when this whole thing is over, there will still be people saying "I knew it", regardless of the court's decision. If Zimmerman is found guilty, there will be two sides to it. The one's that will say they knew it all along, and the ones that will say we've lost on out on the ability to secure and defend ourselves. If innocent then some will say they knew it all along because of the tapes, witnesses, etc and others will say that a murderer got away with it.
If this had occurred, and then we were presented with the facts and deliberation afterwards I believe almost everyone would agree with whatever the court decided.
I fantasize about my dogs having jobs. I pretend that both of them are window cleaners and their kennel is their first starter home. I think the bigger dog is trying to bump off the smaller dog so he can have the kennel to himself. I know I have a problem, but don't animals have to earn a living too?
Dogs may not be our whole lives, but they make our lives whole.
A dog is not "almost human" and I know of no greater insult to the canine race than to describe it as such.
The more I see of humans, the more I admire dogs.
He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life, his love, his leader.
He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion.
The dog is a gentleman, I hope to go to his heaven, not man's.
It amazes me that people in Paulding County, Georgia are convinced that Zimmerman attacked Martin.
The Sanford, FL police report here POLICE REPORT and a statement from an eye witness who was mere feet away say that Zimmerman was the one who was attacked. WITNESS STATEMENT
But one man's testimony could be key for the police.
"The guy on the bottom who had a red sweater on was yelling to me: 'help, help…and I told him to stop and I was calling 911," he said.
Trayvon Martin was in a hoodie; Zimmerman was in red.
The witness only wanted to be identified as "John," and didn't not want to be shown on camera.
His statements to police were instrumental, because police backed up Zimmerman's claims, saying those screams on the 911 call are those of Zimmerman.
"When I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point," John said.
Zimmerman says the shooting was self defense. According to information released on the Sanford city website, Zimmerman said he was going back to his SUV when he was attacked by the teen.
Sanford police say Zimmerman was bloody in his face and head, and the back of his shirt was wet and had grass stains, indicating a struggle took place before the shooting.
I am supposed to believe someone sitting on their couch in Paulding County, Georgia over the Sanford, FL police and an eye witness who was standing a few feet form the actual incident???
You are being led around by the media by that ring in your nose, just like a cow. And not to mention that a host on MSNBC news (Al Sharpton) is leading the protest. Talk about a conflict of interest.......or should I say a cooperation of interests.
And exactly how do you know who started the fight to begin with? Who was the one that escalated the confrontation with the "tough words" and who was the one that started shoving first? Which of the two was "standing their ground?"
All we know is that Zimmerman went after the kid after being told not to, and then there was an altercation and Zimmerman pulled the trigger. The kid was not armed except for the Skittles, the hoodie and the iced tea. Zimmerman had a gun. That's all we know for sure.
Don't be led around by the nose like you're saying others are.
This post has been edited by zoocrew: 25 March 2012 - 06:18 PM
So, do I understand correctly and we should all just roll over and give up if we feel threatened because we might be accused of being racist? When did standing up for YOURSELF become a crime?
God I can't wait to move to Florida! At least there, I have a prayer that I won't be prosecuted should the unfortunate event come that I am attacked and I defend myself.
Good freaking bye!!!! Don't let the door knob hit you where the good Lord.......... you know the rest. There is a differnece in protecting and standing up for yourself. They clearly told him do not follow him, but he kept following him. If Im threatened, im sure as hell not going to continue to follow the person who is threatening me. If your reasoning for wanting to move to Florida is that you can shoot and kill people without just cause, then good riddens!!!!!!
So, do I understand correctly and we should all just roll over and give up if we feel threatened because we might be accused of being racist? When did standing up for YOURSELF become a crime?
God I can't wait to move to Florida! At least there, I have a prayer that I won't be prosecuted should the unfortunate event come that I am attacked and I defend myself.
No, but if you shoot someone - anyone - in my backyard I want you arrested first and let the criminal justice system sort it out.
The plain point is making that kind of judgement is above the pay grade of the police. They have some discretion but it ought not be so much that it creates open season on teenagers of color ... which is what the decision by the drug investigator basically endorsed when he sent Zimmerman home.
It is simply not the police officers job to make that judgment when there is an unarmed dead body lying there. We owe a complete review of the circumstances to the soul that inhabited that body.
Where did I say Faux News is the only one that manipulates? You're sure reading a lot into my post that is not there.
I simply used Faux as the example the overwhelming majority around here think never manipulates. All commercial operations sensationalize and target their audience for the purpose of selling ad space. That's why I prefer non-commerical news.
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Non commercial being NPR....yep, no agenda there. Completely impartial. Ive read other posts you've made I know your slant
People seem to be forgetting that there is time between the time he talked to the dispatcher, and the time he shot the teen. How do any of you know what happened? Isn't it just as likely that the teen got confrontational as it is that Zimmerman shot him in cold blood? There is an eyewitness saying Zimmerman was on the ground being attacked. Then there is the word of his girlfriend who didn't speak up for 3 weeks. Who has more credibility
Non commercial being NPR....yep, no agenda there. Completely impartial. Ive read other posts you've made I know your slant
You are more than welcome to discuss any of those articles. I look forward to it. But you'd better be ready with non-partisan information.
kwood, on 25 March 2012 - 06:38 PM, said:
People seem to be forgetting that there is time between the time he talked to the dispatcher, and the time he shot the teen. How do any of you know what happened? Isn't it just as likely that the teen got confrontational as it is that Zimmerman shot him in cold blood? There is an eyewitness saying Zimmerman was on the ground being attacked. Then there is the word of his girlfriend who didn't speak up for 3 weeks. Who has more credibility
People seem to be forgetting that there is time between the time he talked to the dispatcher, and the time he shot the teen. How do any of you know what happened? Isn't it just as likely that the Zimmerman got confrontational as it is that that the kid instigated anything? There is an eyewitness saying Zimmerman was on the ground being attacked but we don't know if Zimmerman attacked the teen and the teen was just defending himself. Then there is the word of his girlfriend who didn't speak up for 3 weeks because she may have been terrified over the publicity all this has caused. Who has more credibility?
He is not so little as the media pictures show him.
This post has been edited by NavyEagle#1: 25 March 2012 - 07:16 PM
.When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car" It is time to vote every Paulding elected official out of office and get rid of the good ole boy system.
Do your part and vote them out ! !
Better to have a new clown in the office, then to let the current ones continue to rule.
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