[Subby's Mower Repair]

My kids (2 daughters) have quite a few black friends. After moving beyond the shock of my upbringings as a child, I have learned a thing or two.....these kids only call me by one name- POP. I embrace them as my own, and they look to me as their father figure. Black or White? Personally, I don't give a rat's ass anymore. Some of these kids are in peril..they need a man, a father, to guide them. What kind of man would I be to deny my experience and wisdom to them? so, they are black men....so what? They are still good young men who only need someone to guide them. I'll be damned if I don't take on that task!! Should this ever fall into another white man's lap, please do the right thing. Take them under your wing and show them what a father is all about. I know way too many white trashy people to delineate skin color. Sorry, but that's the facts.

My daughter has a black best friend. He has to come stay with me on many nights to save him from staying with crack addicts and worse. This young man WANTS a GOOD future for himself. I admire that, and I go out of my way to help him have one.

Why is it so hard for people to drop the color factor? I have washed my hands of WHITE people who are addicts and don't give a crap about anything but themselves. Do the math!!!

[Starr & Dru's Nana]

there appears to be an eyewitness, who pretty well backed up Zimmerman's claim. Another witness did initially but has since changed her story. And was I the only one who felt that Trayvon's mother had just as soon the truth did not come out because it would make her son look bad? I saw her interview on the Anderson Cooper show and she really looked uncomfortable being there and really didn't look like she wanted the entire truth known.

kwood, on 24 March 2012 - 02:58 AM, said:

I agree. The Florida stand your ground law is very vague. If Zimmerman truely felt in danger for his life then he is justified in using deadly force. And who is to say that just because the teen didn't have a gun that he was not in fear for his life? Two people know what happened that night, and one is dead. Without any other evidence, on what grounds can you arrest him?

[LPPT]

Starr & Dru, on 24 March 2012 - 08:14 AM, said:

there appears to be an eyewitness, who pretty well backed up Zimmerman's claim. Another witness did initially but has since changed her story. And was I the only one who felt that Trayvon's mother had just as soon the truth did not come out because it would make her son look bad? I saw her interview on the Anderson Cooper show and she really looked uncomfortable being there and really didn't look like she wanted the entire truth known.

I just read the transcripts from the 911 call, and the girlfriends testimony along with a few articles about the teen and Zimmerman.
My opinion is still the same, that there were some racial components but not especially the motivation.

Zimmerman had appointed himself as neighborhood watch, took a few classes with the Sheriffs office and proceeded to play policeman.

This kid had every right to be nervous about a civilian questioning and detaining him. He probably got somewhat belligerent questioning the guys authority and decided to keep walking, Mr Zimmerman probably decided to detain the kid. I wouldn't be surprised if the kid took a swing at him. They scuffled, Zimmerman got scared and shot the kid.
I can't find anything were Zimmerman had that type of authority that he was exercising, other than calling the police. He should have been charged and arrested.
I am asking the same question, why, why not?

Could it be that some don't blame him for trying to protect the property of him and his neighbors? I can see where some might come to the conclusion that it is racially motivated, it doesn't mean it was, but Mr. Zimmerman was the cause of the situation, had he waited for the police this would have never happened, the kid walking home from the store with skittles as he has a right to do as an American citizen puts him at no fault, being accosted by a man playing cop is a very good reason to try and get away at the very least to a safe place. All we have is Mr.Zimmerman's word about what happened, the other witness is dead.

I have to say that the part were the armed Mr. Zimmerman claims he was the one calling out for help, just doesn't ring true for me.

[Thoughts]

Too bad there will be justice for nobody in this case. The sensationalism and race baiting by the media has now made this a hopeless convoluted legal nightmare. Congratulation Media America, a job well done. Hope the lives that are being destroyed as a result of this media debacle are worth the votes they think are gonna be gained...

[Starr & Dru's Nana]

But Laurie, one thing that seems to fall by the wayside in anyone understanding is that Zimmerman was battered and bloody when the police arrived. I never knew a can of soda and a bag of Skittles could do such harm to a person. According to reports I have heard, Zimmerman had gone to his car and was trying to leave. The eyewitness report yesterday was that Trayvon was ON TOP of Zimmerman prior to the shooting.

Quite honestly, if I've got a firearm and you're on top of me beating me, I'm going to shoot, too.

The really bad part about this is when they determine that Zimmerman did nothing wrong, the feces is going to hit the Westinghouse.

LPPT, on 24 March 2012 - 08:48 AM, said:

I just read the transcripts from the 911 call, and the girlfriends testimony along with a few articles about the teen and Zimmerman.
My opinion is still the same, that there were some racial components but not especially the motivation.

Zimmerman had appointed himself as neighborhood watch, took a few classes with the Sheriffs office and proceeded to play policeman.

This kid had every right to be nervous about a civilian questioning and detaining him. He probably got somewhat belligerent questioning the guys authority and decided to keep walking, Mr Zimmerman probably decided to detain the kid. I wouldn't be surprised if the kid took a swing at him. They scuffled, Zimmerman got scared and shot the kid.
I can't find anything were Zimmerman had that type of authority that he was exercising, other than calling the police. He should have been charged and arrested.
I am asking the same question, why, why not?

Could it be that some don't blame him for trying to protect the property of him and his neighbors? I can see where some might come to the conclusion that it is racially motivated, it doesn't mean it was, but Mr. Zimmerman was the cause of the situation, had he waited for the police this would have never happened, the kid walking home from the store with skittles as he has a right to do as an American citizen puts him at no fault, being accosted by a man playing cop is a very good reason to try and get away at the very least to a safe place. All we have is Mr.Zimmerman's word about what happened, the other witness is dead.

I have to say that the part were the armed Mr. Zimmerman claims he was the one calling out for help, just doesn't ring true for me.

[gonefromhere]

Starr & Dru, on 24 March 2012 - 09:06 AM, said:

But Laurie, one thing that seems to fall by the wayside in anyone understanding is that Zimmerman was battered and bloody when the police arrived. I never knew a can of soda and a bag of Skittles could do such harm to a person. According to reports I have heard, Zimmerman had gone to his car and was trying to leave. The eyewitness report yesterday was that Trayvon was ON TOP of Zimmerman prior to the shooting.

Quite honestly, if I've got a firearm and you're on top of me beating me, I'm going to shoot, too.

The really bad part about this is when they determine that Zimmerman did nothing wrong, the feces is going to hit the Westinghouse.

Exactly !! More and more, bits and pieces keep coming out, instead of the innocent very young picture of Trayvon showing him as an innocent little boy, he ain't so little. I won't make any judgment, I don't believe all the facts are out there yet.

[Thoughts]

gonefromhere, on 24 March 2012 - 09:15 AM, said:

Exactly !! More and more, bits and pieces keep coming out, instead of the innocent very young picture of Trayvon showing him as an innocent little boy, he ain't so little. I won't make any judgment, I don't believe all the facts are out there yet.

All the facts in the world won't matter now. The Media and The Mob have already decided what the facts are. This should have been left up to the police and it's investigators, but not now. Only the screams and crys of the "victims" will drown out all else. Everything else is will be "racist bigots" covering up. The politicians have already started jumping in for their share of the civil rights "glory".

Lady Justice has been schewered on the spears of The Mob, they now decide what's right and wrong and what the "facts" will be...

[cobb transplant]

feelip, on 22 March 2012 - 06:33 PM, said:

Are you saying that there was a time in your life that you didn't know better than to set someone on fire.

K, now see, that's funny right there...made me blow coffee out of my nose

[LPPT]

Starr & Dru, on 24 March 2012 - 09:06 AM, said:

But Laurie, one thing that seems to fall by the wayside in anyone understanding is that Zimmerman was battered and bloody when the police arrived. I never knew a can of soda and a bag of Skittles could do such harm to a person. According to reports I have heard, Zimmerman had gone to his car and was trying to leave. The eyewitness report yesterday was that Trayvon was ON TOP of Zimmerman prior to the shooting.

Quite honestly, if I've got a firearm and you're on top of me beating me, I'm going to shoot, too.

The really bad part about this is when they determine that Zimmerman did nothing wrong, the feces is going to hit the Westinghouse.

I still don't understand where this man had the authority to question or detain this young man. That really bothers me. Most men aren't going to take much crap from a man that walks up and does that when he doesn't have a badge. I should of occurred to Mr. Zimmerman that anybody could take an exception to that and he could possibly end up in an altercation and have to use his gun.

He more or less decided on his own that the kid was up to no good and took matters into his own hands. People of course are wondering if he wasn't arrested because the police understood his motives, a black person walking at 7pm am in a hoody.
I also wonder why if it's not freezing cold someone is all covered up where you can't see anything about them, what are you hiding for. Hey if it is stylish or cultural to hide up under a hoody, you might want to rethink it in the light of what happened. I ask myself if it is about being black or hiding under a hoody at 7pm.
You have the right to go around looking suspicious, just accept the consequences of it. I mean come on hiding your face, who does that and why?

Mr. Zimmerman probably thought the same thing, but he had no business confronting the kid. He should have waited for the police, we will never know exactly what happened, but in my mind Mr. Zimmerman was in the wrong and the kid lost his life because of it. You can find justification for what he did, concern for his neighborhood, the kid looked suspicious ect. What that leaves is Mr. Zimmerman not being immediately arrested for suspicion of murder and it leaves people to speculate why not. The police are the ones on trial here, I am pretty sure if it had been the 2 on the street in hoodies that got in a fight the one still standing would have been arrested for murder on the spot and the rest worked out in the courts.

Mr. Zimmerman was assumed to be the good guy because he appointed himself to neighborhood watch and armed himself. For some reason the word vigilante comes to mind, maybe a little over zealous to play cop?

[jenilyn]

I agree with you 100% LPPT. Not to mention, the 911 operator told Zimmerman not to follow the kid to begin with.

I also heard on the today show that "Zimmerman had called 911 46 times in 2011, according to records. Not a single one of those calls resulted in an arrest or further action being needed by police."

"

[Starr & Dru's Nana]

Laurie, he wasn't DETAINING him. He was RUNNING from him. One does not get a blow to the back of the head by chasing someone, nor does one shoot someone in the chest when the person who got shot was running away.

This is outside of ORLANDO, FL. It likely wasn't FREEZING outside. I was in the panhandle at the time and it wasn't cold!

And I don't care what color a person is, why are you walking around at 2 a.m. in a hoodie. Just for the record, I have a black hoodie but I NEVER, EVER wear it in a way that would make me look suspicious.

LPPT, on 24 March 2012 - 11:40 AM, said:

I still don't understand where this man had the authority to question or detain this young man. That really bothers me. Most men aren't going to take much crap from a man that walks up and does that when he doesn't have a badge. I should of occurred to Mr. Zimmerman that anybody could take an exception to that and he could possibly end up in an altercation and have to use his gun.

He more or less decided on his own that the kid was up to no good and took matters into his own hands. People of course are wondering if he wasn't arrested because the police understood his motives, a black person walking at 2 am in a hoody.
I also wonder why if it's not freezing cold someone is all covered up where you can't see anything about them, what are you hiding for. Hey if it is stylish or cultural to hide up under a hoody, you might want to rethink it in the light of what happened. I ask myself if it is about being black or hiding under a hoody at 2am.
You have the right to go around looking suspicious, just accept the consequences of it. I mean come on hiding your face, who does that and why?

Mr. Zimmerman probably thought the same thing, but he had no business confronting the kid. He should have waited for the police, we will never know exactly what happened, but in my mind Mr. Zimmerman was in the wrong and the kid lost his life because of it. You can find justification for what he did, concern for his neighborhood, the kid looked suspicious ect. What that leaves is Mr. Zimmerman not being immediately arrested for suspicion of murder and it leaves people to speculate why not. The police are the ones on trial here, I am pretty sure if it had been the 2 on the street in hoodies that got in a fight the one still standing would have been arrested for murder on the spot and the rest worked out in the courts.

Mr. Zimmerman was assumed to be the good guy because he appointed himself to neighborhood watch and armed himself. For some reason the word vigilante comes to mind, maybe a little over zealous to play cop?

[overit]

LPPT, on 24 March 2012 - 11:40 AM, said:

I still don't understand where this man had the authority to question or detain this young man. That really bothers me. Most men aren't going to take much crap from a man that walks up and does that when he doesn't have a badge. I should of occurred to Mr. Zimmerman that anybody could take an exception to that and he could possibly end up in an altercation and have to use his gun.

He more or less decided on his own that the kid was up to no good and took matters into his own hands. People of course are wondering if he wasn't arrested because the police understood his motives, a black person walking at 2 am in a hoody.
I also wonder why if it's not freezing cold someone is all covered up where you can't see anything about them, what are you hiding for. Hey if it is stylish or cultural to hide up under a hoody, you might want to rethink it in the light of what happened. I ask myself if it is about being black or hiding under a hoody at 2am.
You have the right to go around looking suspicious, just accept the consequences of it. I mean come on hiding your face, who does that and why?

Mr. Zimmerman probably thought the same thing, but he had no business confronting the kid. He should have waited for the police, we will never know exactly what happened, but in my mind Mr. Zimmerman was in the wrong and the kid lost his life because of it. You can find justification for what he did, concern for his neighborhood, the kid looked suspicious ect. What that leaves is Mr. Zimmerman not being immediately arrested for suspicion of murder and it leaves people to speculate why not. The police are the ones on trial here, I am pretty sure if it had been the 2 on the street in hoodies that got in a fight the one still standing would have been arrested for murder on the spot and the rest worked out in the courts.

Mr. Zimmerman was assumed to be the good guy because he appointed himself to neighborhood watch and armed himself. For some reason the word vigilante comes to mind, maybe a little over zealous to play cop?

I ask myself, what parent allows their child to walk the streets at 2Am? WTH? It's horrible that a child lost his life. As a parent the quilt would eat me up, knowing I allowed my child to roam the streets like that!

[LPPT]

This link goes in to detail about Zimmerman's past.
It's not pretty and explains some of the suspicions about the accusations against Zimmerman being racist.

http://en.wikipedia...._Trayvon_Martin

[Starr & Dru's Nana]

Being a racist when there may have been a good reason for Zimmerman to be suspicious is like thinking the FBI is after you when they aren't. Being suspicious with good reason is like thinking the FBI is after you when they are.

LPPT, on 24 March 2012 - 03:44 PM, said:

This link goes in to detail about Zimmerman's past.
It's not pretty and explains some of the suspicions about the accusations against Zimmerman being racist.

http://en.wikipedia...._Trayvon_Martin

[LGM]

overit, on 24 March 2012 - 03:21 PM, said:

I ask myself, what parent allows their child to walk the streets at 2Am? WTH? It's horrible that a child lost his life. As a parent the quilt would eat me up, knowing I allowed my child to roam the streets like that!

From where are you getting 2am? The first 911 call was made at 7pm.

[cobb transplant]

LGM, on 24 March 2012 - 04:25 PM, said:

From where are you getting 2am? The first 911 call was made at 7pm.

I spent about 15 minutes looking for what time this happened and found nothing. Where are either of you getting the times? The time would interest me.

[overit]

LGM, on 24 March 2012 - 04:25 PM, said:

From where are you getting 2am? The first 911 call was made at 7pm.

It was in LPPT post.

[cobb transplant]

http://www.myfoxtamp...merman-03232012

above link is news to me.

[Starr & Dru's Nana]

It was reported last night on the national news that the eyewitness backed up Zimmerman's story. We're talking EYEWITNESS not a girlfriend on a phone.

cobb transplant, on 24 March 2012 - 06:57 PM, said:

http://www.myfoxtamp...merman-03232012

above link is news to me.

[Marteen-J]

kwood, on 24 March 2012 - 02:58 AM, said:

I agree. The Florida stand your ground law is very vague. If Zimmerman truely felt in danger for his life then he is justified in using deadly force. And who is to say that just because the teen didn't have a gun that he was not in fear for his life? Two people know what happened that night, and one is dead. Without any other evidence, on what grounds can you arrest him?

actually, not just 2 people -- there is the 911 recording while it was happening, showing the frame of mind prior and intent of the shooter.

[Starr & Dru's Nana]

Yep. Protecting himself.

Marteen-J, on 24 March 2012 - 07:12 PM, said:

actually, not just 2 people -- there is the 911 recording while it was happening, showing the frame of mind prior and intent of the shooter.

[feelip]

It's always better to listen to Al Sharpton and the media than to weigh out the FACTS.

[jenilyn]

Starr & Dru, on 24 March 2012 - 07:13 PM, said:

Yep. Protecting himself.

How can you be so sure about this? Previously you had stated that you hadn't been following the story. it's funny how some of you are so quick to jump to the conclusion that this kid had it coming, yet you have a problem with others jumping to the conclusion that it may have been racially motivated. Everybody has an agenda it seems.

This post has been edited by jenilyn: 24 March 2012 - 07:51 PM

[gog8tors]

Oh now the "New" Black Pather party has a 10,000.00 reward on Zimmerman.

http://news.yahoo.co...-201659364.html

[MeWhoElse]

After reading this thread, I just had to sign on and ask this question, lol. Does this Zimmerman guy not remind any of you of someone who used to post here a lot. This person came across like a gun totting, overzealous, self appointed, self righteous watch guy for his neighborhood. Anyone remember?

[feelip]

jenilyn, on 24 March 2012 - 07:42 PM, said:

How can you be so sure about this? Previously you had stated that you hadn't been following the story. it's funny how some of you are so quick to jump to the conclusion that this kid had it coming, yet you have a problem with others jumping to the conclusion that it may have been racially motivated. Everybody has an agenda it seems.

It's even funnier how everyone suddenly believes the media AND Al Sharpton.

[Starr & Dru's Nana]

Let's see, I've been listening to and reading reports that are more impartial than the standard news media. And I don't believe anyone has said he had it coming. Just that Zimmerman, ACCORDING TO AN *EYEWITNESS* was defending himself. We're talking EYEWITNESS not the news media telling us what or who to believe. EYEWITNESS. You know--someone actually there who saw it happen, in front of them.

I would imagine if it were dark and I was being attacked by a person wearing a black hoodie and I shot them DEFENDING myself, I, too, might be labeled a racist. So, should Zimmerman have asked the kid if he was black before saying "oh, ok, I can't shoot you because I'd be a racist so I'd rather be a dead person and not be considered racist".

So YES, I do have a problem with people claiming it was racially motivated. It was dark, the kid was wearing a dark hoodie, beating the crap out of Zimmerman so how in the hell was Zimmerman supposed to act? Again, one does not get an injury to the back of their head from FOLLOWING someone. They don't get the back of their shirt wet if they are FOLLOWING someone. Following means behind.

jenilyn, on 24 March 2012 - 07:42 PM, said:

How can you be so sure about this? Perviously you had stated that you hadn't been following the story. it's funny how some of you are so quick to jump to the conclusion that this kid had it coming, yet you have a problem with others jumping to the conclusion that it may have been racially motivated. Everybody has an agenda it seems.

Yep and all 17 year olds are sweet, innocent kids. Or so the media would have you believe. Apparently a lot of Pcommers hold that belief as well.

feelip, on 24 March 2012 - 07:54 PM, said:

It's even funnier how everyone suddenly believes the media AND Al Sharpton.

[kp527]

Maybe Trayvon was just trying to show his school spirit and was going to spray paint Zimmerman. It was just an innocent senior prank that got out of hand. Poor baby !!!!

[LPPT]

Starr & Dru, on 24 March 2012 - 07:58 PM, said:

Let's see, I've been listening to and reading reports that are more impartial than the standard news media. And I don't believe anyone has said he had it coming. Just that Zimmerman, ACCORDING TO AN *EYEWITNESS* was defending himself. We're talking EYEWITNESS not the news media telling us what or who to believe. EYEWITNESS. You know--someone actually there who saw it happen, in front of them.

I would imagine if it were dark and I was being attacked by a person wearing a black hoodie and I shot them DEFENDING myself, I, too, might be labeled a racist. So, should Zimmerman have asked the kid if he was black before saying "oh, ok, I can't shoot you because I'd be a racist so I'd rather be a dead person and not be considered racist".

So YES, I do have a problem with people claiming it was racially motivated. It was dark, the kid was wearing a dark hoodie, beating the crap out of Zimmerman so how in the hell was Zimmerman supposed to act? Again, one does not get an injury to the back of their head from FOLLOWING someone. They don't get the back of their shirt wet if they are FOLLOWING someone. Following means behind.



Yep and all 17 year olds are sweet, innocent kids. Or so the media would have you believe. Apparently a lot of Pcommers hold that belief as well.

Now you have me confused, I thought that Zimmerman was following the young man according to what he told 911. the operator ask him not to pursue the young man and he did it anyway. I don't doubt for a minute he confronted the kid, ask him what he was doing and tried to detain him.
In my opinion that puts Zimmerman in the wrong from the get go, I would also be willing to bet that the gun on his hip made him feel very confident when confronting a 160lb 6ft black kid.
The kid had the right to walk the streets to go anywhere he wanted too, he was not breaking the law, Zimmerman claims he was high and walking and acting strangely, not a bit of proof that the kid was intoxicated, he was talking on his cell phone.

My guess Zimmerman was a vigilante with a belief that black kids walking around in nice neighborhoods at night wearing a hoody were up to no good. He wanted some action, now a relatively good teenage kid is dead simply for walking home through a nice neighborhood wearing a hoody and being black.
It makes me mad just thinking about it, Mr Zimmerman should have waited on the police, whom the kid would have respected and talked to instead of freaking out over some crazy man with a gun confronting him. Mr. Zimmerman threatened this young man, had Mr. Zimmerman ended up dead in the altercation guess who would have gone straight to jail.

[converse]

LPPT, on 24 March 2012 - 01:28 AM, said:

I grew up in Memphis Tn. where I got a belly full full of racism which is still alive and doing well there.

I didn't know growing up in Memphis TN made one an expert on racism for the rest of the country...

What do you think about what the person who viewed at least some of what happened that night?

Quote

But one man's testimony could be key for the police.

"The guy on the bottom who had a red sweater on was yelling to me: 'help, help…and I told him to stop and I was calling 911," he said.

Trayvon Martin was in a hoodie; Zimmerman was in red.

Maybe you agree more with the Black Panters feelings?

Quote

The new Black Panther Party offered a bounty of $10,000 Saturday for the “capture” of a Florida neighborhood watch captain who killed unarmed teen Trayvon Martin.

“An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth,” leader Mikhail Muhammad said after announcing the reward for George Zimmerman at a protest in Sanford, Fla.

Muhammad called on 5,000 black men to mobilize and capture the neighborhood watch volunteer.

[converse]

jenilyn, on 24 March 2012 - 12:02 PM, said:

I also heard on the today show that "Zimmerman had called 911 46 times in 2011, according to records. Not a single one of those calls resulted in an arrest or further action being needed by police."

Did you also hear the neighborhood had logged over 400 calls to police the same year? Is it hard to accept one of the neighborhood watch volunteers would log one in ten of all the calls? Only nine of his calls were to report he saw someone or something suspicious. Call me silly but I'd think it highly likely Zimmerman would see more than nine black people in the neighborhood the entire year meaning he didn't report them all.

News flash folks... Being black doesn't make you guilty but it doesn’t mean you're innocent either. I hope the media stays on this and brings out the truth. If Zimmerman is guilty he should be held accountable. If he is not then the rest of the country should shut the hell up.

[STRAWMAN]

Marteen-J, on 24 March 2012 - 07:12 PM, said:

actually, not just 2 people -- there is the 911 recording while it was happening, showing the frame of mind prior and intent of the shooter.

And we do not know what happened between the time of the 911 call and the time of the shooting. Maybe he did follow him. Maybe after doing that he decided to stop as he claimed, maybe he was walking back to his truck as he claimed. Maybe the teen attacked him, maybe he defended himself. Without an eyewitness I would say there is reasonable doubt. But apparently there is a witness that backs up Zimmerman's side of the story. So why are we so quick to point blame at Zimmerman when if he was in fear for his life was acting within his rights under the stand your ground law. The problem then is with the law, and not what he did.

[NavyEagle#1]

Well I can say that in good ole Paulding county, my sons have been profiled and profiled and pulled over for now reason at all. Even one time a police officer wanted to check out my sons car for drugs and he told them NO. Why? because he was fed up with the profiling and the police just looking for a reason to pull him over. He never got a ticket and spent 2hrs on the side of the road waiting on a drug dog that never came.

The story is that profiling does occur and for what ever reason you have to deal with it, black or white.

My sum of this is that a black kid out at 2am in a neighborhood with known issues. The kid is not some little kid and as with any teen they have an attitude. The barney fife neighborhood watch guy, notes the kid and at 2am it is a bit suspicious. So barney stops the kid, the kid has attitude conversation. Barney takes it to the next level, Kid get irate, Barney tries to detain kid, kid smacks Barney and scuffle starts, kid is way bigger and starts to whip Barnie's arse, kid gets shot because Barney had the gun.

So in the end each had an issue that escalated the whole thing.. who really is at fault? Both of them....

[JerryLovedLSU]

NavyEagle#1, on 25 March 2012 - 07:22 AM, said:

So in the end each had an issue that escalated the whole thing.. who really is at fault? Both of them....

In America you should be able to walk down the street without some Columbo/Rambo wannabe messing with you regardless what time it is or what you are wearing.

[LPPT]

converse, on 25 March 2012 - 12:13 AM, said:

I didn't know growing up in Memphis TN made one an expert on racism for the rest of the country...

What do you think about what the person who viewed at least some of what happened that night?



Maybe you agree more with the Black Panters feelings?

It actually does give me insight to both sides, and the first hand knowledge of how much it can effect every aspect of ones life. Everything from work, school, were you eat, what you wear, even recreational activities.

The Black Panthers exist for only one reason, not because their skin is black and they are genetically predisposed tho behaving in that manner.
They exist because of racism on both sides.

I deal with my own racism daily, internal struggles against how I was raised, things that I intellectually know are not true, but yet the thoughts are still there.
I know it is important for me not to give in to them, to change the dialogue in my head I grew up with.
It is important for everyone to work on that dialogue, racism does not go away because we stop practicing it. It goes away when we stop thinking it.

We all know the stats. we all know the odds, we all know the problems, those fighting know all this too.

Where was this kids chance to beat the odds, assumed that he already was a statistic before he even got out of high school. It cost him his life.

The 2 kids that this article is about are lost causes,because of racism, proof that it exist, the existence of it is why we are having this conversation.

We justify the hate because both sides can point to an instance of racism as proof that we have reason to hate and fear.

I don't know the answer to the problem, I can only look at each individual instance and make up my own mind.

My gut says Mr. Zimmerman was given a pass based on the fact that the kid probably was up to no good and they were going to pull his record and find just that. What a surprise to find an A-B high school student that was suspended for being tardy.
The kid has no record of violence as Mr. Zimmerman does, but still it was going to be swept under the rug. Because as we all know it was just going to be a matter of time before the black kid had a record or ended up in jail. After all look at how violently he attacked Mr. Zimmerman for no reason at all, he was walking back from the store and decides he would just like to beat the snot out of the neighborhood watch guy. Poor Mr. Zimmerman was just minding his own business and this kid comes after him, clear case of self defense if you ask me

[feelip]

LPPT, on 25 March 2012 - 07:58 AM, said:

My gut says Mr. Zimmerman was given a pass based on the fact that the kid probably was up to no good and they were going to pull his record and find just that. What a surprise to find an A-B high school student that was suspended for being tardy.
The kid has no record of violence as Mr. Zimmerman does, but still it was going to be swept under the rug. Because as we all know it was just going to be a matter of time before the black kid had a record or ended up in jail. After all look at how violently he attacked Mr. Zimmerman for no reason at all, he was walking back from the store and decides he would just like to beat the snot out of the neighborhood watch guy. Poor Mr. Zimmerman was just minding his own business and this kid comes after him, clear case of self defense if you ask me

Law enforcement looked at the EVIDENCE. Do you really think that they would let someone walk if there was evidence proving that he shot an innocent person? We really need to get past the spin the media is putting on the story and put our thinking caps on. It's always heroic to turn a story into a Mississippi Burning mystery, but what would the local police department have to gain from this?

Here is what everyone seems to have a hard time realizing. It is not against the law to say something to someone walking through your neighborhood or anywhere else. It is against the law to PHYSICALLY THREATEN someone. It is against the law to strike someone. It is NOT against the law to DEFEND yourself.

The photo of the sweet and innocent little kid in the Hollister shirt is being shown for a reason. Let's see a recent photo, like within the last 5 years, and I think you'll have a better idea of what Mr. Zimmerman was dealing with that night.

If there is evidence to back it up, then by all means prosecute the guy. But if we allow the media, the black mob, the black panthers or Obama to prosecute the guy, we might as well be living in communist China.

[NavyEagle#1]

You are still living in the 1800's and even then you might get shot if you were on some else's land. You should have that right, but if someone sees you then you might get approached at that hour of the night.

Tell me if you are sitting on your front porch at 2-am with some friends and you see some someone walking around your streets, tell you might not wonder why he or she is walking around and you don't know them?

Give me a break, too much bad happens after midnight... car break ins, things stolen from yards. etc.

JerryLovedLSU, on 25 March 2012 - 07:42 AM, said:

In America you should be able to walk down the street without some Columbo/Rambo wannabe messing with you regardless what time it is or what you are wearing.

[Starr & Dru's Nana]

I think the person who said this happened at 2 a.m. might have the school vandalism and the Trayvon Martin shooting confused. But then again, maybe not, since I don't seem to be able to find anything that gives a timeline other than a "day of" timeline.

[gonefromhere]

feelip, on 25 March 2012 - 08:15 AM, said:

Law enforcement looked at the EVIDENCE. Do you really think that they would let someone walk if there was evidence proving that he shot an innocent person? We really need to get past the spin the media is putting on the story and put our thinking caps on. It's always heroic to turn a story into a Mississippi Burning mystery, but what would the local police department have to gain from this?

Here is what everyone seems to have a hard time realizing. It is not against the law to say something to someone walking through your neighborhood or anywhere else. It is against the law to PHYSICALLY THREATEN someone. It is against the law to strike someone. It is NOT against the law to DEFEND yourself.

The photo of the sweet and innocent little kid in the Hollister shirt is being shown for a reason. Let's see a recent photo, like within the last 5 years, and I think you'll have a better idea of what Mr. Zimmerman was dealing with that night.

If there is evidence to back it up, then by all means prosecute the guy. But if we allow the media, the black mob, the black panthers or Obama to prosecute the guy, we might as well be living in communist China.

!00% Agree !!

[Starr & Dru's Nana]

can we get an AMEN!

feelip, on 25 March 2012 - 08:15 AM, said:

Law enforcement looked at the EVIDENCE. Do you really think that they would let someone walk if there was evidence proving that he shot an innocent person? We really need to get past the spin the media is putting on the story and put our thinking caps on. It's always heroic to turn a story into a Mississippi Burning mystery, but what would the local police department have to gain from this?

Here is what everyone seems to have a hard time realizing. It is not against the law to say something to someone walking through your neighborhood or anywhere else. It is against the law to PHYSICALLY THREATEN someone. It is against the law to strike someone. It is NOT against the law to DEFEND yourself.

The photo of the sweet and innocent little kid in the Hollister shirt is being shown for a reason. Let's see a recent photo, like within the last 5 years, and I think you'll have a better idea of what Mr. Zimmerman was dealing with that night.

If there is evidence to back it up, then by all means prosecute the guy. But if we allow the media, the black mob, the black panthers or Obama to prosecute the guy, we might as well be living in communist China.