[Starr & Dru's Nana]

ALL races, not just "both".

LPPT, on 22 March 2012 - 08:51 PM, said:

Both races are known to cultivate racism and hatred.

[overit]

jenilyn, on 22 March 2012 - 08:02 PM, said:

I kinda think black people have a right to feel a little sensitive. It wasn't that many years ago, in Alabama, that the police looked the other way while black people (including women) were beaten in the streets for riding a bus. I might be sensitive too. But then again I have what is called empathy.

Maybe, but using that past for a crutch to spew hate...not so much. I should not have to pay for the things my great, great, great, great grandparents did. And quite frankly I am tired of hearing excuses for this type of behavior! Our kids are being harmed, for the simple fact of their skin color! If you want a better life stop with the hate and teach your children the world does not owe them anything!

[Happy Wife And Mom]

overit, on 22 March 2012 - 09:11 PM, said:

If you want a better life stop with the hate and teach your children the world does not owe them anything!

[Thoughts]

Hate is hate, no matter how one justifies it. The reason you hear more about hate against black people is because it's political season and hate will bring the self rightous and self sanctimonus out in droves to the voting booths. The unfortunate consiquences are that the guy in Florida will never see true justice because the mob of public opinion has already decided the man's guilt. Impartialiy is now out the window and the Governor of Flordia has appointed another prosecutor, because he didn't like what he heard from the original. This will now turn from a slamdunk case against the guy to a convoluted media circus and give the guy a way out of any conviction against him at a later date on appeal. All this is because the liberal media sources are fanning the flames of hate in some attempt to get more votes for President Obama, who they know will have a tough time getting elected with the economy the way it is. This has also spawned retaliation attacks such as the burning of this kid, look for more attacks, but probably not in most mainstream media sources...

[STRAWMAN]

jenilyn, on 22 March 2012 - 08:02 PM, said:

I kinda think black people have a right to feel a little sensitive. It wasn't that many years ago, in Alabama, that the police looked the other way while black people (including women) were beaten in the streets for riding a bus. I might be sensitive too. But then again I have what is called empathy.

I have empathy, I feel horrible for the family of the boy killed. But how many white people (or hispanic since I think the shooter is both) have been randomly killed by black people for much less? Do you see whites or hispanics going to every news organization forming protest groups, busing people from one state to another to protest?

Black people have been taught to play the victim card. This is a tragedy no matter what the race of the people involved, but since the victim was black it become escalated to a hate crime. Is there any less hate involved if he would have killed a white boy wearing a hoody walking through the neighborhood?

[Mr.Dis]

Thoughts, on 23 March 2012 - 09:24 AM, said:

Hate is hate, no matter how one justifies it. The reason you hear more about hate against black people is because it's political season and hate will bring the self rightous and self sanctimonus out in droves to the voting booths. The unfortunate consiquences are that the guy in Florida will never see true justice because the mob of public opinion has already decided the man's guilt. Impartialiy is now out the window and the Governor of Flordia has appointed another prosecutor, because he didn't like what he heard from the original. This will now turn from a slamdunk case against the guy to a convoluted media circus and give the guy a way out of any conviction against him at a later date on appeal. All this is because the liberal media sources are fanning the flames of hate in some attempt to get more votes for President Obama, who they know will have a tough time getting elected with the economy the way it is. This has also spawned retaliation attacks such as the burning of this kid, look for more attacks, but probably not in most mainstream media sources...

Wouldn't surprise me to see Holder get involved in a meaningful way... unlike his obstruction of justice in the Black Panther case.

[LPPT]

This situation is changed one attitude at a time.
I am in charge of my attitude towards people of other races and cultures.
I judge individuals and their actions.
I feel threatened by individuals that want to harm me personally for any reason.
Most people fighting for racial equality feel threatened, I find it very frightening that someone would harm me based on the color of my skin, or not allow me an opportunity based on the color of my skin.
I personally can't think of anything negative done to me because of the color of my skin, nor have I had to consider if it has.
Basically I feel like that is one of the privileges of being born white which I had no control over whatsoever.
I simply don't have the ability to really feel it any other way.
I really have nothing to lose by looking at the situation from others viewpoint, because at the end of the day I will still be white.

I will never wonder if I got stopped by police because of my skin color, it wouldn't even cross my mind, I don't have to carry that burden in my head.
But I do see I have to carry the burden of fear because others are haters.
The wrong in this whole situation is the hating, and the people that justify their hate.
I can not think of a single personal thing in my life I have lost due to people of another race, but I have lost personal safety in my mind.

[overit]

LPPT, on 23 March 2012 - 09:57 AM, said:

This situation is changed one attitude at a time.
I am in charge of my attitude towards people of other races and cultures.
I judge individuals and their actions.
I feel threatened by individuals that want to harm me personally for any reason.
Most people fighting for racial equality feel threatened, I find it very frightening that someone would harm me based on the color of my skin, or not allow me an opportunity based on the color of my skin.
I personally can't think of anything negative done to me because of the color of my skin, nor have I had to consider if it has.
Basically I feel like that is one of the privileges of being born white which I had no control over whatsoever.
I simply don't have the ability to really feel it any other way.
I really have nothing to lose by looking at the situation from others viewpoint, because at the end of the day I will still be white.

I will never wonder if I got stopped by police because of my skin color, it wouldn't even cross my mind, I don't have to carry that burden in my head.
But I do see I have to carry the burden of fear because others are haters.
The wrong in this whole situation is the hating, and the people that justify their hate.
I can not think of a single personal thing in my life I have lost due to people of another race, but I have lost personal safety in my mind.

I don't feel privileged for being born white. My family, generations before me and myself have busted our ass to have what we worked for. I honestly can not believe you said that! Maybe I am taking it wrong, but I don't feel quilty about coming from a great family...through blood, sweat, and tears have EARNED what we have.

Police officers are black too! I just don't live my life believing any black person who talks to me has an underlying desire to my demise. Passing this down to your children is where it chaps my butt! Anyone can anything they want to be, if given the correct mindset....I worked my ass off to get here....instead of....play the victim and it will be handed to you!

[Starr & Dru's Nana]

Try being white and driving a old beat up truck in East Cobb. You'll still get pulled over REGARDLESS of your skin color. This happened to a friend of ours, multiple times and he lived in the area! Or try driving a red sports car on Six Flags Drive. You'll still get pulled over regardless of your skin color. Happened to my hubby. I think police pull people over less on skin color than they do vehicle and the area. If you don't look like you belong, whether you're black in a predominantly white area or you're driving a fancy sports car in a known drug infested area, you're going to get pulled over. Try driving around McDaniel Street sometime when the Braves aren't playing.

LPPT, on 23 March 2012 - 09:57 AM, said:

I will never wonder if I got stopped by police because of my skin color, it wouldn't even cross my mind, I don't have to carry that burden in my head.

[SOLO]

LPPT, on 23 March 2012 - 09:57 AM, said:

This situation is changed one attitude at a time.
I am in charge of my attitude towards people of other races and cultures.
I judge individuals and their actions.
I feel threatened by individuals that want to harm me personally for any reason.
Most people fighting for racial equality feel threatened, I find it very frightening that someone would harm me based on the color of my skin, or not allow me an opportunity based on the color of my skin.
I personally can't think of anything negative done to me because of the color of my skin, nor have I had to consider if it has.
Basically I feel like that is one of the privileges of being born white which I had no control over whatsoever.
I simply don't have the ability to really feel it any other way.
I really have nothing to lose by looking at the situation from others viewpoint, because at the end of the day I will still be white.

I will never wonder if I got stopped by police because of my skin color, it wouldn't even cross my mind, I don't have to carry that burden in my head.
But I do see I have to carry the burden of fear because others are haters.
The wrong in this whole situation is the hating, and the people that justify their hate.
I can not think of a single personal thing in my life I have lost due to people of another race, but I have lost personal safety in my mind.

I will be glad to take you and drop you off in one of many places right here in Atlanta and let you see just how much fear you will have for no other reason than you are white. Only thing is make sure your Will is up to date because you may not make it out. For no other reason than that you are white . Just let me know when you want to go.

[LPPT]

overit, on 23 March 2012 - 10:09 AM, said:

I don't feel privileged for being born white. My family, generations before me and myself have busted our ass to have what we worked for. I honestly can not believe you said that! Maybe I am taking it wrong, but I don't feel quilty about coming from a great family...through blood, sweat, and tears have EARNED what we have.

Police officers are black too! I just don't live my life believing any black person who talks to me has an underlying desire to my demise. Passing this down to your children is where it chaps my butt! Anyone can anything they want to be, if given the correct mindset....I worked my ass off to get here....instead of....play the victim and it will be handed to you!

I didn't mention the word guilt one singe time,empathy understanding or lack of yes.
I intend to maintain that attitude. Black people are not my enemy and they are not taking anything away from me.
When they do and I can clearly see it, I might jump on the band wagon.

[LPPT]

SOLO, on 23 March 2012 - 10:15 AM, said:

I will be glad to take you and drop you off in one of many places right here in Atlanta and let you see just how much fear you will have for no other reason than you are white. Only thing is make sure your Will is up to date because you may not make it out. For no other reason than that you are white . Just let me know when you want to go.

I have been in those places, You know what people all over this county are being victimized also. It is everywhere and it is not all brown.
Wonder why there is so much hate concentrated in certain areas, must be genetic.
Same as poverty concentrated in certain areas, genetic? inbreeding.
No matter how you slice it, it comes down to personal responsibility for your attitude and actions you take based on your attitude.
If you think all black people are lazy and steal then you aren't going to hire them, then you know what you create a self fulfilling prophecy because they are going to steal to survive.

[gonefromhere]

Riograce, on 22 March 2012 - 08:17 PM, said:

And I have common sense and the ability to see that a wrong done to my great-grandparents is *not* a wrong done to ME.

Until some people accept the fact that there is no such thing as *inherited* injustice, they will continue to see themselves as 'wronged,' even when it's only in their heads.

[Starr & Dru's Nana]

Then why do some black people feel WHITE people are their enemies? I think we're all in this together and if we're going to continue to survive, we ALL need to pull together instead of pulling apart. I'm not anyone's enemy until they show me that they are mine. Treat me with respect and I'll do likewise. Treat me with hate and I'll do my best to still treat you with respect so as not to lower myself to your level.

I certainly don't fear blacks. Or Hispanics. Or Asians. Or Whites for that matter. I live in a predominantly black neighborhood in a predominantly black part of Cobb County. I don't fear for my safety. Why should I? I have great neighbors. We still want to move out of this area because we want out of metro Atlanta.

LPPT, on 23 March 2012 - 10:18 AM, said:

I didn't mention the word guilt one singe time,empathy understanding or lack of yes.
I intend to maintain that attitude. Black people are not my enemy and they are not taking anything away from me.
When they do and I can clearly see it, I might jump on the band wagon.

[dumbestgirlintheworld]

Wow. We're still talking about this?

Racism might die if we didn't give it so much room to live.

[overit]

LPPT, on 23 March 2012 - 10:18 AM, said:

I didn't mention the word guilt one singe time,empathy understanding or lack of yes.
I intend to maintain that attitude. Black people are not my enemy and they are not taking anything away from me.
When they do and I can clearly see it, I might jump on the band wagon.

I don't march to anyone's drum. I care about our kids. When I say our, I mean ALL children, no matter what race. I don't teach hate in my house and let my children think the world owes them something.

Black people are not my enemy either...stupidity and entitlement are.

[gonefromhere]

dumbestgirlintheworld, on 23 March 2012 - 10:51 AM, said:

Wow. We're still talking about this?

Racism might die if we didn't give it so much room to live.

But then Jesse and Al wouldn't have a job.

[Mr.Dis]

Starr & Dru, on 23 March 2012 - 10:15 AM, said:

Try being white and driving a old beat up truck in East Cobb. You'll still get pulled over REGARDLESS of your skin color. This happened to a friend of ours, multiple times and he lived in the area! Or try driving a red sports car on Six Flags Drive. You'll still get pulled over regardless of your skin color. Happened to my hubby. I think police pull people over less on skin color than they do vehicle and the area. If you don't look like you belong, whether you're black in a predominantly white area or you're driving a fancy sports car in a known drug infested area, you're going to get pulled over. Try driving around McDaniel Street sometime when the Braves aren't playing.

Back in the day, I would pull over any Honda tooling around Algood Mobile home park that had 2 white teens or 20 somethings in it just for their skin color. You do not hear about "profiling" when that happens. But then again "my training and experience" indicate that there is virtually ZERO probability that these folks are in here for any other reason than to buy drugs. The same applies for many other circumstances. Heck I even got pulled over in the same general area (because I was assigned to the local fire station there) when I had to drive my back up car to work. Sure it was old and looked bad but it was running. I even kidded the police oficer about it. Heck I would have pulled me over too.

[gonefromhere]

DC...RED, on 22 March 2012 - 05:52 PM, said:

Why aren't we hearing about this on the news?





http://articles.nyda...fire-tv-station

Gee, Obummer making a speech about the Florida Boy, I guess racism starts at the top.

http://www.ajc.com/

This post has been edited by gonefromhere: 23 March 2012 - 11:27 AM

[gog8tors]

gonefromhere, on 23 March 2012 - 11:27 AM, said:

Gee, Obummer making a speech about the Florida Boy, I guess racism starts at the top.

http://www.ajc.com/

Yep. Here we go again.............

[feelip]

People of all colors are crapped on every day. Why is it when it happens to be a black person the media jumps all over it, Al Sharpton and / or Jessie Jackson show up, and it is a never ending circus?

Maybe blacks should stop with the 1960s responses to every tragic event that occurs in their lives.

And I have serious doubt that law enforcement has let Zimmerman stay out of jail for no reason. Just because the kid was armed with Skittles doesn't mean that he didn't pose some threat.

What I fear worse than an innocent person being shot is an innocent person being run up a pole and convicted for something because a mob raised hell until they got Obama involved. Regardless of what actually took place, Mr. Zimmerman is going to be convicted at this point. Wait and see.

[TJB]

After all is said and done, and innocent child was killed for the crime of carrying iced tea, skittles, and being black and a white kid was set on fire for being white. Either way, these acts were senseless and racism contributed to both. This is inexcusable and my heart breaks for both families. As a teacher, I call kids out on racism and bigotry(all kinds) but as I stated earlier, this goes beyond racism and the people behind the heinous acts are deeply disturbed.

[PUBBY]

JerryLovedLSU, on 22 March 2012 - 07:19 PM, said:

The police also weren't trying to let the black kids walk.

[PUBBY]

TJB, on 23 March 2012 - 01:52 PM, said:

After all is said and done, and innocent child was killed for the crime of carrying iced tea, skittles, and being black and a white kid was set on fire for being white. Either way, these acts were senseless and racism contributed to both. This is inexcusable and my heart breaks for both families. As a teacher, I call kids out on racism and bigotry(all kinds) but as I stated earlier, this goes beyond racism and the people behind the heinous acts are deeply disturbed.

I can half-way accept that some racism can and will exist (as in the case of Zimmerman or even the black boys in KC) and while I lament that situation, what was bothersome in the Florida case is that the police appeared intent on giving Zimmerman a bye on the charges citing some gun rights law.

It is the attitude of not caring that a heinous crime was committed that is the problem there. Authorities have jailed and are dealing - I would assume appropriately - with the perps in KC. Indeed, had the kid in Florida been white and the perp black, I'm pretty sure that this would not have been handled inappropriately there either.

pubby

[Starr & Dru's Nana]

Our friend who repeatedly got pulled over in East Cobb while driving a beat up Isuzu pickup truck is white. He also lived in Indian Hills (back when it was a really good place to live). Cop after cop told him he was pulled over because of the vehicle he was in because it looked out of place. And then, my hubby driving a red sports car on Six Flags Dr. Looked suspicious, even though he was coming back from a job interview. Red sports car in that area, yeah, I would have pulled him over, too.

Mr.Dis, on 23 March 2012 - 11:23 AM, said:

Back in the day, I would pull over any Honda tooling around Algood Mobile home park that had 2 white teens or 20 somethings in it just for their skin color. You do not hear about "profiling" when that happens. But then again "my training and experience" indicate that there is virtually ZERO probability that these folks are in here for any other reason than to buy drugs. The same applies for many other circumstances. Heck I even got pulled over in the same general area (because I was assigned to the local fire station there) when I had to drive my back up car to work. Sure it was old and looked bad but it was running. I even kidded the police oficer about it. Heck I would have pulled me over too.

[Starr & Dru's Nana]

My thought: this kid was INSIDE a gated community that had an armed security guard. That tells me that the community had problems with crime. You don't get an armed security guard without reason. Unless the guard was very new to the job, he would be familiar with the people who were supposed to be there--the residents. Granted, I haven't followed the story from the beginning and don't know WHY the kid was there.

I support gun rights. If we allow this one incident to change our collective minds about defending ourselves against criminals, the criminals will have won.

I still remember the bumper sticker on my friends car: when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns. My friend was shot three times by a CRIMINAL with a gun which he obtained illegaly, during the commission of a felony.

PUBBY, on 23 March 2012 - 02:06 PM, said:

I can half-way accept that some racism can and will exist (as in the case of Zimmerman or even the black boys in KC) and while I lament that situation, what was bothersome in the Florida case is that the police appeared intent on giving Zimmerman a bye on the charges citing some gun rights law.

It is the attitude of not caring that a heinous crime was committed that is the problem there. Authorities have jailed and are dealing - I would assume appropriately - with the perps in KC. Indeed, had the kid in Florida been white and the perp black, I'm pretty sure that this would not have been handled inappropriately there either.

pubby

[STRAWMAN]

TJB, on 23 March 2012 - 01:52 PM, said:

After all is said and done, and innocent child was killed for the crime of carrying iced tea, skittles, and being black and a white kid was set on fire for being white. Either way, these acts were senseless and racism contributed to both. This is inexcusable and my heart breaks for both families. As a teacher, I call kids out on racism and bigotry(all kinds) but as I stated earlier, this goes beyond racism and the people behind the heinous acts are deeply disturbed.

So you don't think that zimmerman would have acted the same way if the only thing different about the situation was that the boy walking through the neighborhood was white, Hispanic, or Asian?

[TJB]

kwood, on 23 March 2012 - 02:23 PM, said:

So you don't think that zimmerman would have acted the same way if the only thing different about the situation was that the boy walking through the neighborhood was white, Hispanic, or Asian?

I suspect Zimmerman would have shot anyone but also suspect because of racism, made certain assumptions. I still think he's crazy as a loon.

[STRAWMAN]

TJB, on 23 March 2012 - 03:08 PM, said:

I suspect Zimmerman would have shot anyone but also suspect because of racism, made certain assumptions. I still think he's crazy as a loon.

Do you think had he shot a white boy under the same circumstance that it would be the media circus that it is now?

[Rookie]

There will always be racism so long as there is BET, Miss Black America, Black Yellow Pages, Black job fairs, Nat'l Assn of Black Accountants, Black Lawyers Assn, Black Panthers, Ebony Queens Motorcycle Group, and many, many, many more. None of the groups mentioned do anything to improve or supplement their job or situation. They only divide and separate. And I'm pretty sure these groups were formed by blacks. But if I form a white group, then I'm racist. I'm not trying to be ignorant. I just simply don't understand. It seems very hypocritical to me.

[gonefromhere]

Rookie, on 23 March 2012 - 03:24 PM, said:

There will always be racism so long as there is BET, Miss Black America, Black Yellow Pages, Black job fairs, Nat'l Assn of Black Accountants, Black Lawyers Assn, Black Panthers, Ebony Queens Motorcycle Group, and many, many, many more. None of the groups mentioned do anything to improve or supplement their job or situation. They only divide and separate. And I'm pretty sure these groups were formed by blacks. But if I form a white group, then I'm racist. I'm not trying to be ignorant. I just simply don't understand. It seems very hypocritical to me.

[feelip]

Rookie, on 23 March 2012 - 03:24 PM, said:

There will always be racism so long as there is BET, Miss Black America, Black Yellow Pages, Black job fairs, Nat'l Assn of Black Accountants, Black Lawyers Assn, Black Panthers, Ebony Queens Motorcycle Group, and many, many, many more. None of the groups mentioned do anything to improve or supplement their job or situation. They only divide and separate. And I'm pretty sure these groups were formed by blacks. But if I form a white group, then I'm racist. I'm not trying to be ignorant. I just simply don't understand. It seems very hypocritical to me.

I agree 100%. By the way, so does Morgan Freeman.



Problem is Al and Jessie and the other race baiters would no longer be able to stir the pot and have black people jumping on buses to go to Florida and raise hell every time a black person was treated unfairly. So as long as there is an easy dollar to be made, racism will be alive and well.

This post has been edited by feelip: 23 March 2012 - 03:57 PM

[Rookie]

feelip, on 23 March 2012 - 03:51 PM, said:

I agree 100%. By the way, so does Morgan Freeman.



Problem is Al and Jessie and the other race baiters would no longer be able to stir the pot and have black people jumping on buses to go to Florida and raise hell every time a black person was treated unfairly. So as long as there is an easy dollar to be made, racism will be alive and well.

Unfortunately, I've reached my quota of positive votes for the day. So I'll just say...

[converse]

PUBBY, on 23 March 2012 - 02:06 PM, said:

It is the attitude of not caring that a heinous crime was committed that is the problem there. Authorities have jailed and are dealing - I would assume appropriately - with the perps in KC. Indeed, had the kid in Florida been white and the perp black, I'm pretty sure that this would not have been handled inappropriately there either.

There is a whole lot of assuming going on there. I assume you have legitimate and factual evidence that can back up each one of those assumptions??

[converse]

LPPT, on 23 March 2012 - 10:24 AM, said:

If you think all black people are lazy and steal then you aren't going to hire them, then you know what you create a self fulfilling prophecy because they are going to steal to survive.

How many black people have you worked with in the Paulding.com office?

[LPPT]

Rookie, on 23 March 2012 - 03:24 PM, said:

There will always be racism so long as there is BET, Miss Black America, Black Yellow Pages, Black job fairs, Nat'l Assn of Black Accountants, Black Lawyers Assn, Black Panthers, Ebony Queens Motorcycle Group, and many, many, many more. None of the groups mentioned do anything to improve or supplement their job or situation. They only divide and separate. And I'm pretty sure these groups were formed by blacks. But if I form a white group, then I'm racist. I'm not trying to be ignorant. I just simply don't understand. It seems very hypocritical to me.

Just really, you ever been the only white person in the room, the neighborhood?
All you see on tv is black shows with black people, every magazine it's all black folks. Every time you need a professional they are black, you might get tired of seeing black every where you look and your world is all white. How about the only doll you can by your child is black?
You say the real world is not that way, well it one time it was.
White folks had a white world and it was all good, who could be offended by that? Who would dare be offended by that?
So now a black world is offensive? to whom?

[Mr.Dis]

LPPT, on 24 March 2012 - 01:13 AM, said:

Just really, you ever been the only white person in the room, the neighborhood?
All you see on tv is black shows with black people, every magazine it's all black folks. Every time you need a professional they are black, you might get tired of seeing black every where you look and your world is all white. How about the only doll you can by your child is black?
You say the real world is not that way, well it one time it was.
White folks had a white world and it was all good, who could be offended by that? Who would dare be offended by that?
So now a black world is offensive? to whom?

Yes indeed. As amatter of fact, I was regularly called "White Cracker" when I attended Venition Hills Elementary School. TV really was not much to watch back then though. The year we moved there were 4 White kids, counting me, in my class at the beginning of the school year. By the time we moved it was me and 1 other White boy left. So yep, I have definately been on the "minority, degraded and outcast" side of things. They were just as mean to me as anything you can imagine today and it was 1972.

[LPPT]

converse, on 24 March 2012 - 12:30 AM, said:

How many black people have you worked with in the Paulding.com office?

For one thing, I work very little in the office, that consist of Pubby and I.
I work with businesses in the community, I have black, Asian, Indian and Hispanic clients.
I have lived in many diverse communities,it is a non issue for me.
But if you want to get personal, I grew up in Memphis Tn. where I got a belly full full of racism which is still alive and doing well there.
I earned my stripes in the trenches and I won't back down, I call a spade a spade.
Trashy, lazy and ignorant comes in all sizes and colors.

Mr.Dis, on 24 March 2012 - 01:21 AM, said:

Yes indeed. As amatter of fact, I was regularly called "White Cracker" when I attended Venition Hills Elementary School. TV really was not much to watch back then though. The year we moved there were 4 White kids, counting me, in my class at the beginning of the school year. By the time we moved it was me and 1 other White boy left. So yep, I have definately been on the "minority, degraded and outcast" side of things. They were just as mean to me as anything you can imagine today and it was 1972.

I have heard cracker too, it doesn't justify anything.

[Mr.Dis]

LPPT, on 24 March 2012 - 01:28 AM, said:

I have heard cracker too, it doesn't justify anything.

Who said it "justified anything? I was just pointing out that the other side is just as quick to throw insults as anyone else is.

[STRAWMAN]

converse, on 24 March 2012 - 12:24 AM, said:

There is a whole lot of assuming going on there. I assume you have legitimate and factual evidence that can back up each one of those assumptions??

I agree. The Florida stand your ground law is very vague. If Zimmerman truely felt in danger for his life then he is justified in using deadly force. And who is to say that just because the teen didn't have a gun that he was not in fear for his life? Two people know what happened that night, and one is dead. Without any other evidence, on what grounds can you arrest him?