You are still living in the 1800's and even then you might get shot if you were on some else's land. You should have that right, but if someone sees you then you might get approached at that hour of the night.
Tell me if you are sitting on your front porch at 2-am with some friends and you see some someone walking around your streets, tell you might not wonder why he or she is walking around and you don't know them?
Give me a break, too much bad happens after midnight... car break ins, things stolen from yards. etc.
You gonna grab your gun and start following them, or are you going to let the proper people handle it? Better yet, if some guy is following you, are you gonna just let them follow you? It's a sad day when you can say somebody is at fault for walking down the street.
Again, let's go through this. One does not get abrasions on the back of the head from FOLLOWING someone. Following means behind, not in front of. One does not get grass stains on the back of their clothes from being the person on top of another. One does not get shot in the chest from being FOLLOWED. Because, FOLLOWING means behind.
Here's a definition of the word "follow" To come or go after; proceed behind.
JerryLovedLSU, on 25 March 2012 - 08:45 AM, said:
You gonna grab your gun and start following them, or are you going to let the proper people handle it? Better yet, if some guy is following you, are you gonna just let them follow you? It's a sad day when you can say somebody is at fault for walking down the street.
See, no one in the South ever asks if you have crazy people in your family. They just ask which side they're on. -- Julia Sugarbaker
In loving memory of Mason (December 1, 2001 to December 9, 2001) and Ashley Jr. (December 1, 2001 to December 2, 2001)
Again, let's go through this. One does not get abrasions on the back of the head from FOLLOWING someone. Following means behind, not in front of. One does not get grass stains on the back of their clothes from being the person on top of another. One does not get shot in the chest from being FOLLOWED. Because, FOLLOWING means behind.
Here's a definition of the word "follow" To come or go after; proceed behind.
I guess he was lying when he told the operator he was FOLLOWING the kid. I suppose if the kid would have just ran away from him like a good little boy, none of this would have happened. Keep trying to justify it if you like.
You are still living in the 1800's and even then you might get shot if you were on some else's land. You should have that right, but if someone sees you then you might get approached at that hour of the night.
Tell me if you are sitting on your front porch at 2-am with some friends and you see some someone walking around your streets, tell you might not wonder why he or she is walking around and you don't know them?
Give me a break, too much bad happens after midnight... car break ins, things stolen from yards. etc.
The 2am was an example I used with a hoody to demonstrate what makes people suspicious, this actually happened much earlier in the evening.
What people don't get is that it is perfectly ok to scrutinize this situation as possibly racially motivated especially when it comes to the inaction of the police department.
When you look at the stats they tell you that young black men are compromised by the actions of others.
We have to offer protection to the young black men that are staying out of trouble, educating themselves, we can't stand by and let them fall victim to what others of their race are doing.
Where is the protection, who is standing up for them? It certainly was not this kids fault that statistically more blacks in his region are committing crimes, he has no power over that, all he can do is what he was doing, going to school making good grades and staying out of trouble. Where is his protection from the stats.
The message is no matter how hard you try you are going to pay the price for what others of your race do.
He deserves the protection of everyone in our society and what he got was a bullet.
I am white and it makes me angry that nobody in that police department even considered that this was a good kid, minding his own business and this guy attacked him. As a society you would think that we want to nurture and protect black kids that are beating the odds,when a police department fails them, they fail us all.
At 17 years old, if someone continued to follow me for no apparent reason and I felt threatened, I would do everything in my power to kick their ass. Zimmerman was told by the police not to continue following this young man. End of story.
This post has been edited by TJB: 25 March 2012 - 09:07 AM
Of course, let's not confuse the issue by presenting facts. Let's just allow a lynch mob to crucify a man who shot another person in self defense. Has it completely escaped your realm of understanding that if the police had ONE tiny shred of evidence that Zimmerman was guilty of ANYTHING that he would have been arrested? He claimed self defense, TWO eyewitnesses backed up that claim (even though one has since changed her story to fit public opinion) and obviously no evidence proves otherwise. One can jump up and down and claim anything they want. Without proof, it's going to be difficult to charge the man with anything.
JerryLovedLSU, on 25 March 2012 - 08:57 AM, said:
I guess he was lying when he told the operator he was FOLLOWING the kid. I suppose if the kid would have just ran away from him like a good little boy, none of this would have happened. Keep trying to justify it if you like.
WHY wasn't the kid at home getting prepared for school the next day? I guaran-darn-tee you that my 16 year old grandson would have been at home, doing homework. If he wanted to go to the convenience store for some Skittles, his mom or his dad would have taken him. For those of you who don't know, my 16 year old grandson is biracial.
LPPT, on 25 March 2012 - 08:59 AM, said:
The 2am was an example I used with a hoody to demonstrate what makes people suspicious, this actually happened much earlier in the evening.
What people don't get is that it is perfectly ok to scrutinize this situation as possibly racially motivated especially when it comes to the inaction of the police department.
When you look at the stats they tell you that young black men are compromised by the actions of others.
We have to offer protection to the young black men that are staying out of trouble, educating themselves, we can't stand by and let them fall victim to what others of their race are doing.
Where is the protection, who is standing up for them? It certainly was not this kids fault that statistically more blacks in his region are committing crimes, he has no power over that, all he can do is what he was doing, going to school making good grades and staying out of trouble. Where is his protection from the stats.
The message is no matter how hard you try you are going to pay the price for what others of your race do.
He deserves the protection of everyone in our society and what he got was a bullet.
I am white and it makes me angry that nobody in that police department even considered that this was a good kid, minding his own business and this guy attacked him. As a society you would think that we want to nurture and protect black kids that are beating the odds,when a police department fails them, they fail us all.
See, no one in the South ever asks if you have crazy people in your family. They just ask which side they're on. -- Julia Sugarbaker
In loving memory of Mason (December 1, 2001 to December 9, 2001) and Ashley Jr. (December 1, 2001 to December 2, 2001)
At 17 years old, if someone continued to follow me for no apparent reason and I felt threatened, I would do everything in my power to kick their ass. Zimmerman was tols by the police not to continue following this young man. End of story.
There are stories all over the internet saying to look deeper in the kids past to find some justification for what Zimmerman did, maybe the kid had a fight at school, as in Zimmerman did society a favor, it makes me sick.
He didn't do anyone a favor, look what he did with full support of a local police department. It is beyond disgusting all the potential snuffed out because of an over zealous police wanna be. I could just see him strutting the days after the incident over what he did until it hit the fan.
This incident only creates more fear and anger in the black community, the message is loud and clear, no matter how well we raise our youth, no matter how well they do they are still at risk, nobody will protect them.
Of course, let's not confuse the issue by presenting facts. Let's just allow a lynch mob to crucify a man who shot another person in self defense. Has it completely escaped your realm of understanding that if the police had ONE tiny shred of evidence that Zimmerman was guilty of ANYTHING that he would have been arrested? He claimed self defense, TWO eyewitnesses backed up that claim (even though one has since changed her story to fit public opinion) and obviously no evidence proves otherwise. One can jump up and down and claim anything they want. Without proof, it's going to be difficult to charge the man with anything.
WHY wasn't the kid at home getting prepared for school the next day? I guaran-darn-tee you that my 16 year old grandson would have been at home, doing homework. If he wanted to go to the convenience store for some Skittles, his mom or his dad would have taken him. For those of you who don't know, my 16 year old grandson is biracial.
Going out to the store instead of being at home should not be a reason to be at risk anywhere in this country. So your 16 year old bi-racial grandson can not be out on the street after dark, because maybe some people think black males out on the street after dark are involved in criminal activity? What if your otherwise great kid decides to walk to a neighbors after dark and loses his life because he runs from some big white man that is confronting him, because he is black and assumed to be up to no good.
My son and his friends go all sorts of places and do things after dark, it has never crossed my mind that they would be compromised in that way. The parents of black teens should not have to live in that type of fear for their children.
The 2am was an example I used with a hoody to demonstrate what makes people suspicious, this actually happened much earlier in the evening.
What people don't get is that it is perfectly ok to scrutinize this situation as possibly racially motivated especially when it comes to the inaction of the police department.
When you look at the stats they tell you that young black men are compromised by the actions of others.
We have to offer protection to the young black men that are staying out of trouble, educating themselves, we can't stand by and let them fall victim to what others of their race are doing.
Where is the protection, who is standing up for them? It certainly was not this kids fault that statistically more blacks in his region are committing crimes, he has no power over that, all he can do is what he was doing, going to school making good grades and staying out of trouble. Where is his protection from the stats.
The message is no matter how hard you try you are going to pay the price for what others of your race do.
He deserves the protection of everyone in our society and what he got was a bullet.
I am white and it makes me angry that nobody in that police department even considered that this was a good kid, minding his own business and this guy attacked him. As a society you would think that we want to nurture and protect black kids that are beating the odds,when a police department fails them, they fail us all.
Ok, I was trying to figure wth a teenager was doing out at 2AM...and why the hell Zimmerman was awake at 2AM.
I have been pondering why Zimmerman was allowed a weapon permit. After reading about him beating up a cop...seems to me he would not be allowed a permit.
I also wonder if the lady who changed her story, is afraid for her life with so many group's now having interest in the case.
Of course, let's not confuse the issue by presenting facts. Let's just allow a lynch mob to crucify a man who shot another person in self defense. Has it completely escaped your realm of understanding that if the police had ONE tiny shred of evidence that Zimmerman was guilty of ANYTHING that he would have been arrested? He claimed self defense, TWO eyewitnesses backed up that claim (even though one has since changed her story to fit public opinion) and obviously no evidence proves otherwise. One can jump up and down and claim anything they want. Without proof, it's going to be difficult to charge the man with anything.
Facts like he actually WAS following the kid, a claim you keep trying to deny?
WHY wasn't the kid at home getting prepared for school the next day? I guaran-darn-tee you that my 16 year old grandson would have been at home, doing homework. If he wanted to go to the convenience store for some Skittles, his mom or his dad would have taken him. For those of you who don't know, my 16 year old grandson is biracial.
Who are you to judge what a kid should or shouldn't be doing and trying to use it as a justification for getting shot?
As a society we HAVE to stop justifying criminal activity by using race, poverty, childhood abuse or whatever else as an excuse for committing a crime. Where is the personal responsibility? Where is the person saying "hey, I did it because I wanted to do it"? Yeah, pretty much like the search for the Holy Grail, huh?
The jails and prisons are FULL of innocent people. Yeah, right. Nobody is guilty because they were a poor, abused minority. Where is the personal responsibility?
My comment isn't just about this thread it's also about the Hemy Neumann trial where a cold blooded killer used the "excuse" of being an abused child as a defense for his crime. Where is the personal responsibility?
In this particular situation, the Trayvon Martin case, it's all about race. IMO, what it is really about is persecuting a person for defending himself against a minority who OBVIOUSLY could not EVER have been doing anything wrong. What many people fail to understand is that the person who defended himself is himself a minority. It only stands to reason if anyone would be prosecuted it would be a minority, probably whether or not they did anything wrong. Am I correct? If the victim had been Hispanic and the shooter had been black, he would have been prosecuted, right? Stands to reason that the reverse would be true. I mean, don't you think the police would have jumped all over arresting Zimmerman and handing him over to ICE for deportation if he wasn't legal? Or even harassing him JUST because he's Hispanic? If he had not been legally allowed to have the firearm, don't you think they would have arrested him? Don't you believe that if there was any microscopic shred of evidence that it didn't go down like Zimmerman claimed, they would have had him sitting in the jail this whole time? No? Because the victim is black? C'mon people. Get real. Open your eyes! Smell the coffee. News and social media have made this into much more than it should have been.
But back to the original topic. I haven't heard the outrage or heard of marches in support of the victim of the burning. I haven't heard about a bounty out for the plain MEAN, sick and twisted people who did that. I haven't heard the President weigh in on that story. I guess maybe he's not trying to get the white vote this year.
See, no one in the South ever asks if you have crazy people in your family. They just ask which side they're on. -- Julia Sugarbaker
In loving memory of Mason (December 1, 2001 to December 9, 2001) and Ashley Jr. (December 1, 2001 to December 2, 2001)
But back to the original topic. I haven't heard the outrage or heard of marches in support of the victim of the burning. I haven't heard about a bounty out for the plain MEAN, sick and twisted people who did that. I haven't heard the President weigh in on that story. I guess maybe he's not trying to get the white vote this year.
Nothing's stopping you from marching.
When the press asks a question to the president about that case, I'm sure he will respond.
First of all, going to the store should not be a risky venture anywhere in this country, but sadly it is. Happens every day that people are kidnapped, murdered, killed by drunk drivers, etc "going to the store".
My 16 year old grandson lives in College Park. Not safe for anyone, male or female, black or white, young or old to be walking to the store by themselves after dark. Hell, my daughter who lives in Austell has been accosted in broad daylight in view of the police department! That's why I got her some pepper spray to carry with her. It should be SAFE for her to walk, too.
And again, one does not get trauma to the back of the head by following someone. One does not scream for help when they are following someone.
Frankly, I think parents of all teens should worry about their kids safety. They should teach them safety.
Suspicious activity has no color.
LPPT, on 25 March 2012 - 09:20 AM, said:
Going out to the store instead of being at home should not be a reason to be at risk anywhere in this country. So your 16 year old bi-racial grandson can not be out on the street after dark, because maybe some people think black males out on the street after dark are involved in criminal activity? What if your otherwise great kid decides to walk to a neighbors after dark and loses his life because he runs from some big white man that is confronting him, because he is black and assumed to be up to no good.
My son and his friends go all sorts of places and do things after dark, it has never crossed my mind that they would be compromised in that way. The parents of black teens should not have to live in that type of fear for their children.
See, no one in the South ever asks if you have crazy people in your family. They just ask which side they're on. -- Julia Sugarbaker
In loving memory of Mason (December 1, 2001 to December 9, 2001) and Ashley Jr. (December 1, 2001 to December 2, 2001)
As a 50 year old white women I am going to put myself in this kids place.
I am walking home from a neighbors house at dark.
Some man comes walking quickly towards me, I walk faster because I am getting nervous, the guy walks faster, maybe yells at me to stop. Not Hi, I was wondering, but firmly tells me to stop. At this point I am getting very nervous about why this man is demanding I stop, against my better judgement I do stop. He then ask me what I am doing there, I ask him who he is, If he claims he is neighborhood watch I am wondering if he really is and if it is true what is he up to. I would probably ask if he was law enforcement and to show me ID. When he couldn't produce any I would tell him I was going home or just start off, because at that point I would be scared to death. Then he might tell me I can't leave and I have to wait on the police. My reaction I am not waiting anywhere with you I am going to try to get home as soon as possible where I can be safe from you.
Had the man reached out to detain me, it would have been on right then and there. I would have been afraid for my life that this man would not let me leave and go home where I would feel safe, FROM HIM.
I can't imagine this kid reacting any different to a strange man with no authority stopping him. The kid felt he was fighting for his life, he had the physical ability to incapacitate this man and that was exactly what he did.
Had this kid not died this story would have been very different, he only died because Mr. Zimmerman had a gun, there was very little chance that Mr.Zimmerman would have died, and ultimately the black kid would have ended up with an assault record.
The poor kid never had a chance after this vigilante laid eyes on him.
As a 50 year old white women I am going to put myself in this kids place.
I am walking home from a neighbors house at dark.
Some man comes walking quickly towards me, I walk faster because I am getting nervous, the guy walks faster, maybe yells at me to stop. Not Hi, I was wondering, but firmly tells me to stop. At this point I am getting very nervous about why this man is demanding I stop, against my better judgement I do stop. He then ask me what I am doing there, I ask him who he is, If he claims he is neighborhood watch I am wondering if he really is and if it is true what is he up to. I would probably ask if he was law enforcement and to show me ID. When he couldn't produce any I would tell him I was going home or just start off, because at that point I would be scared to death. Then he might tell me I can't leave and I have to wait on the police. My reaction I am not waiting anywhere with you I am going to try to get home as soon as possible where I can be safe from you.
Had the man reached out to detain me, it would have been on right then and there. I would have been afraid for my life that this man would not let me leave and go home where I would feel safe, FROM HIM.
I can't imagine this kid reacting any different to a strange man with no authority stopping him. The kid felt he was fighting for his life, he had the physical ability to incapacitate this man and that was exactly what he did.
Had this kid not died this story would have been very different, he only died because Mr. Zimmerman had a gun, there was very little chance that Mr.Zimmerman would have died, and ultimately the black kid would have ended up with an assault record.
The poor kid never had a chance after this vigilante laid eyes on him.
I guess you just had to be there and witness it huh.....
This post has been edited by gonefromhere: 25 March 2012 - 09:56 AM
At what point do you not feel threatened enough to shoot? After the kid beat him senseless?
Thank you LPPT, you have made the point I have been trying to make. Mr Zimmerman felt threatened and shot in self defense. Why? Because this kid was assaulting him, that's why!
I agree with whoever said, let's get a more recent picture of the kid and see what he looked like in late February. Mr Zimmerman looks totally different in his more recent picture.
LPPT, on 25 March 2012 - 09:49 AM, said:
I can't imagine this kid reacting any different to a strange man with no authority stopping him. The kid felt he was fighting for his life, he had the physical ability to incapacitate this man and that was exactly what he did.
Had this kid not died this story would have been very different, he only died because Mr. Zimmerman had a gun, there was very little chance that Mr.Zimmerman would have died, and ultimately the black kid would have ended up with an assault record.
The poor kid never had a chance after this vigilante laid eyes on him.
See, no one in the South ever asks if you have crazy people in your family. They just ask which side they're on. -- Julia Sugarbaker
In loving memory of Mason (December 1, 2001 to December 9, 2001) and Ashley Jr. (December 1, 2001 to December 2, 2001)
I guess you just had to be there and witness it huh.....
Mr. Zimmerman was in the wrong from the moment he pursued this young man after being told not to. It was beyond disgusting that his claims of self defense were taken at face value. There would have been no need to defend himself had he done what he had been told. The idea that the kid defending himself was never considered was also disgusting.
If the black community had not come out for this kid, it would have been swept under the rug as another black kid attacking a white man and getting what he deserved. It is just so easy to believe the worse about a black kid you don't even investigate it.
What do you think will happen when the independent investigation PROVES Mr Zimmerman's claim?
LPPT, on 25 March 2012 - 10:29 AM, said:
Mr. Zimmerman was in the wrong from the moment he pursued this young man after being told not to. It was beyond disgusting that his claims of self defense were taken at face value. There would have been no need to defend himself had he done what he had been told. The idea that the kid defending himself was never considered was also disgusting.
If the black community had not come out for this kid, it would have been swept under the rug as another black kid attacking a white man and getting what he deserved. It is just so easy to believe the worse about a black kid you don't even investigate it.
See, no one in the South ever asks if you have crazy people in your family. They just ask which side they're on. -- Julia Sugarbaker
In loving memory of Mason (December 1, 2001 to December 9, 2001) and Ashley Jr. (December 1, 2001 to December 2, 2001)
At what point do you not feel threatened enough to shoot? After the kid beat him senseless?
Thank you LPPT, you have made the point I have been trying to make. Mr Zimmerman felt threatened and shot in self defense. Why? Because this kid was assaulting him, that's why!
I agree with whoever said, let's get a more recent picture of the kid and see what he looked like in late February. Mr Zimmerman looks totally different in his more recent picture.
speaking of pictures, above is a link about his photo from somebody with CNN, apparently that hoody photo is recent...but photoshoped. there is a discussion about the miami herald changing the photo. Also, the CNN lady takes shots at Obama and gets sidetracked, they never explain why the photoshop
At what point do you not feel threatened enough to shoot? After the kid beat him senseless?
Thank you LPPT, you have made the point I have been trying to make. Mr Zimmerman felt threatened and shot in self defense. Why? Because this kid was assaulting him, that's why!
I agree with whoever said, let's get a more recent picture of the kid and see what he looked like in late February. Mr Zimmerman looks totally different in his more recent picture.
Had it been me and I had pepper spray, Mr. Zimmerman would have gotten a face full of it. All the kid had was his hands and he was in his rights to do whatever necessary to stop this man from detaining him, which from the 911 tapes was Mr. Zimmerman's intentions. Mr. Zimmerman thought he was some kind of cop and that he had the authority to pursue and detain this kid. Nobody told the kid that, he was defending himself from this man.
Mr. Zimmerman made a mistake, got an a** kicking for it. He would not have touched this young man had he not had the gun, the gun was his back up for exactly what happened.
You ask any man on here what happens when you get in a fight especially when it is out of fear, it is highly doubtful this young man was gonna take a swing and run. He fought him and he hurt him. Mr. Zimmerman knew the risk of what he was doing, he took a calculated risk to exercise his made up authority based on the fact he had a gun.
You don't have to take an a$$ whipping for making a mistake when you have a gun.
You might not also have to do time for it if the victim is a black kid.
Has anyone mentioned that Zimmerman probably wouldn't have stalked the guy had he not been armed and felt more emboldened. He was a civilian Rambo with a gun and was looking for trouble. This is the kind of things that happen when we start arming more people.
The bad thing is we all know what happened here. Zimmerman thought he could be the tough guy and confronted the kid. The kid stood his ground too. They started with the words. Then came the shoving. Then fists flew. The kid was getting the best of the Vigilante Rambo who then pulled out his gun and shot the kid.
Bad situation all the way around.
Had Zimmerman not had a gun, I doubt any of this would have happened.
This post has been edited by zoocrew: 25 March 2012 - 10:53 AM
...and there goes any conviction against the guy. A first year law student will have Zimmerman out on his first appeal, IF he get's convicted at all. And the retaliatory race riots and political bandstanding will result in some of the most devicive emotions this country has experienced since the Rodney King incident.
All in the name of POLITICS!!!
"There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die."
Religion in Government is like Gang Rape. 5 out of the 6 participants thinks it's great, done by popular concensus and morally justified because the Bible and "god" said they could. Publicly the 5 condem it but have no problems privately supporting it or participating in it...
But my question remains, what do you think will happen when the INDEPENDENT investigation proves Mr Zimmerman was well within his rights and was telling the truth? You think the Black Panthers are going to back down and say "oh, we made a mistake and we withdraw the bounty"?
This whole story needs to just go away. Let the investigation continue and then release the findings. There should not be a court of public opinion. If Mr Zimmerman acted in an unlawful manner, he should stand trial by an impartial jury and suffer the consequences. However, if he was NOT acting in an unlawful manner and was in fact defending himself against an attacker, the whole darn country needs to apologize to him. When that happens, pigs indeed will have learned to fly and hell will have frozen over because even if the investigation proves his story, even if voice analysis proves it was HIM and not Trayvon yelling for help on that 911 call, nobody will apologize to him for the way he has been treated. I seem to recall a young man by the name of Richard Jewell who was crucified in the media after the Olympic bombings. Even a most heartfelt apology would never make up to that man what he went through, and he was completely innocent.
LPPT, on 25 March 2012 - 10:41 AM, said:
Had it been me and I had pepper spray, Mr. Zimmerman would have gotten a face full of it. All the kid had was his hands and he was in his rights to do whatever necessary to stop this man from detaining him, which from the 911 tapes was Mr. Zimmerman's intentions. Mr. Zimmerman thought he was some kind of cop and that he had the authority to pursue and detain this kid. Nobody told the kid that, he was defending himself from this man.
Mr. Zimmerman made a mistake, got an a** kicking for it. He would not have touched this young man had he not had the gun, the gun was his back up for exactly what happened.
You ask any man on here what happens when you get in a fight especially when it is out of fear, it is highly doubtful this young man was gonna take a swing and run. He fought him and he hurt him. Mr. Zimmerman knew the risk of what he was doing, he took a calculated risk to exercise his made up authority based on the fact he had a gun.
You don't have to take an a$$ whipping for making a mistake when you have a gun.
You might not also have to do time for it if the victim is a black kid.
See, no one in the South ever asks if you have crazy people in your family. They just ask which side they're on. -- Julia Sugarbaker
In loving memory of Mason (December 1, 2001 to December 9, 2001) and Ashley Jr. (December 1, 2001 to December 2, 2001)
Has anyone mentioned that Zimmerman probably wouldn't have stalked the guy had he not been armed and felt more emboldened. He was a civilian Rambo with a gun and was looking for trouble. This is the kind of things that happen when we start arming more people.
Oh please, save your anti-gun drivel for another time. People with guns kill people. People with knives kill people. People with cars kill people. People with Bats kill people. People who know martial art kill people. People with toothpicks kill people.
What's the common denominator here boys and girls???
PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE!!!
"There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die."
Religion in Government is like Gang Rape. 5 out of the 6 participants thinks it's great, done by popular concensus and morally justified because the Bible and "god" said they could. Publicly the 5 condem it but have no problems privately supporting it or participating in it...
Oh please, save your anti-gun drivel for another time. People with guns kill people. People with knives kill people. People with cars kill people. People with Bats kill people. People who know martial art kill people. People with toothpicks kill people.
What's the common denominator here boys and girls???
PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE!!!
See, no one in the South ever asks if you have crazy people in your family. They just ask which side they're on. -- Julia Sugarbaker
In loving memory of Mason (December 1, 2001 to December 9, 2001) and Ashley Jr. (December 1, 2001 to December 2, 2001)
Oh please, save your anti-gun drivel for another time. People with guns kill people. People with knives kill people. People with cars kill people. People with Bats kill people. People who know martial art kill people. People with toothpicks kill people.
What's the common denominator here boys and girls???
PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE!!!
I agree. 100% I agree with you. I'm not against guns at all. My husband owns several and he goes plinking every so often. So you've TOTALLY misread me as "anti-gun." I have no problem with gun ownership to protect your home or property of self.
My problem is the law FL and many other states are adopting that will see more incidents just like this. Is it the price we want to pay?
Guns to protect ones self is one thing. Gun laws that encourage people to carry guns and go looking for trouble is what I have a problem with. This is just one example of the consequence. There will be more.
This post has been edited by zoocrew: 25 March 2012 - 11:00 AM
Has anyone mentioned that Zimmerman probably wouldn't have stalked the guy had he not been armed and felt more emboldened. He was a civilian Rambo with a gun and was looking for trouble. This is the kind of things that happen when we start arming more people.
The bad thing is we all know what happened here. Zimmerman thought he could be the tough guy and confronted the kid. The kid stood his ground too. They started with the words. Then came the shoving. Then fists flew. The kid was getting the best of the Vigilante Rambo who then pulled out his gun and shot the kid.
Bad situation all the way around.
Had Zimmerman not had a gun, I doubt any of this would have happened.
So WTF is your point? Emboldened? Stalked? Never mind, I see your point.
I have to run some dumbass off of my property at least once a week. I usually have two guns on me when I deal with them. I have had them want to fight me for making them leave my property and I have warned them that they don't want to do that. This isn't "emboldened", this is common freakin sense.
But I guess you prefer to sit back and let them walk out with your sheeze while you patiently wait for the sheriff deputy to get there and stop them. Meanwhile, the crooks and your sheeze are gone, never to be seen again. And the crooks know this.
zoocrew, on 25 March 2012 - 10:55 AM, said:
I agree. 100% I agree with you. I'm not against guns at all. My husband owns several and he goes plinking every so often. So you've TOTALLY misread me as "anti-gun." I have no problem with gun ownership to protect your home or property of self.
My problem is the law FL and many other states are adopting that will see more incidents just like this. Is it the price we want to pay?
Guns to protect ones self is one thing. Gun laws that encourage people to carry guns and go looking for trouble is what I have a problem with. This is just one example of the consequence. There will be more.
You damn right it is! This is the only thing some people understand. Don't want to get shot? Don't be walking around in a strange neighborhood in the middle of the night. This used to be common sense.
Maybe poker's just not your game Ike. I know! Let's have a spelling contest!
So WTF is your point? Emboldened? Stalked? Never mind, I see your point.
I have to run some dumbass off of my property at least once a week. I usually have two guns on me when I deal with them. I have had them want to fight me for making them leave my property and I have warned them that they don't want to do that. This isn't "emboldened", this is common freakin sense.
But I guess you prefer to sit back and let them walk out with your sheeze while you patiently wait for the sheriff deputy to get there and stop them. Meanwhile, the crooks and your sheeze are gone, never to be seen again. And the crooks know this.
You damn right it is! This is the only thing some people understand. Don't want to get shot? Don't be walking around in a strange neighborhood in the middle of the night. This used to be common sense.
The kid had the right to be walking down the street. It is not a crime to do that.
The situation you're describing about your property is completely different than this one.
Next time it could be you that is accosted for walking were someone didn't think you should be. We all now how situations escalate. Is that a price we want to pay?
So WTF is your point? Emboldened? Stalked? Never mind, I see your point.
I have to run some dumbass off of my property at least once a week. I usually have two guns on me when I deal with them. I have had them want to fight me for making them leave my property and I have warned them that they don't want to do that. This isn't "emboldened", this is common freakin sense.
But I guess you prefer to sit back and let them walk out with your sheeze while you patiently wait for the sheriff deputy to get there and stop them. Meanwhile, the crooks and your sheeze are gone, never to be seen again. And the crooks know this.
You damn right it is! This is the only thing some people understand. Don't want to get shot? Don't be walking around in a strange neighborhood in the middle of the night. This used to be common sense.
That is the point, Mr. Zimmerman assumed that the kid was a thief, he was walking home from the store with skittles and tea. It is not the same as people on your property. We all have the right to walk the street, Mr. Zimmerman felt he had the right to say who walked the street and who could come and go accosted his authority came from the gun he carried and his overblown ego.
I understand that we now have issues because of media involvement, the first issue was a lack of proper investigation by authorities.
They simply took this man's word, and yeah I think that was a racial issue.
The kid had the right to be walking down the street. It is not a crime to do that.
The situation you're describing about your property is completely different than this one.
Next time it could be you that is accosted for walking were someone didn't think you should be. We all now how situations escalate. Is that a price we want to pay?
The thing is as long as you are white, it will never occur to you to wonder if you are stopped for the color of your skin, or if the police didn't investigate because of your color.
You don't have to question and that is a fact of life, granted much is based on statistics and I understand what LE deals with on that. Bottom line we can't allow the innocent to suffer for it.
This can not be a black versus white thing, it has to be about right and wrong.
The thing is as long as you are white, it will never occur to you to wonder if you are stopped for the color of your skin, or if the police didn't investigate because of your color.
You don't have to question and that is a fact of life, granted much is based on statistics and I understand what LE deals with on that. Bottom line we can't allow the innocent to suffer for it.
This can not be a black versus white thing, it has to be about right and wrong.
I totally agree with the right vs. wrong thing. I cannot make a judgement in this case because I don't have all the facts and neither do any of us. My problem is why do people pick and choose the way they react to certain cases? People die every day under unfortunate, unjustified circumstances and there is not an outcry. Why is there in this case? I will never forget how heartbroken I was the morning I heard of the young man's death in Douglas County. HIs own "friends" kicked and beat him so bad that his rib punctured his heart. Where was the outrage then? It just make me sick!
The thing is as long as you are white, it will never occur to you to wonder if you are stopped for the color of your skin, or if the police didn't investigate because of your color.
Hate to tell you this but bigotry knows no boundries. I know this for a fact because me and the lady I was dating at the time got stopped by Atlanta PD because, and I quote, "...the only white people who drive through this neighborhood are here to buy drugs..." We were simply taking a shortcut to a bar in the Virginia-Highlands area. When Penny refused the APD permission to search her car we were promptly handcuffed, sat on the curb and watched them bring dogs first and then APD then stripped search the car. Took everything out and piled it on the curb. After they were finished, we got uncuffed and told to "have a nice day". No, they didn't put the car back together. Penny just stood there and cried while me and two homeless guys helped put the car back together.
Also I do know for a fact I am concerned about my skin color when I'm in certain sections on Atlanta. By both police AND the residents. All people are bigots to some point or another, it's part of human nature. Some are just more selective about it than others...
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At 17 years old, if someone continued to follow me for no apparent reason and I felt threatened, I would do everything in my power to kick their ass. Zimmerman was told by the police not to continue following this young man. End of story.
No that's not the end of the story. GEEZ! There are laws to protect innocent people and their property. If the boy attacked he was in the wrong. Doesn't matter that the 911 operator told him not to follow him. Zimmerman wasn't breaking any laws by following him.
You people are surely smarter than this.
Maybe poker's just not your game Ike. I know! Let's have a spelling contest!
That is the point, Mr. Zimmerman assumed that the kid was a thief, he was walking home from the store with skittles and tea. It is not the same as people on your property. We all have the right to walk the street, Mr. Zimmerman felt he had the right to say who walked the street and who could come and go accosted his authority came from the gun he carried and his overblown ego.
I understand that we now have issues because of media involvement, the first issue was a lack of proper investigation by authorities.
They simply took this man's word, and yeah I think that was a racial issue.
It is a gated community with a neighborhood watch. This was not a public street. And Zimmerman DID have a right to check the guy out. I have had to deal with 17 year old punks and they think they are untouchable. I am betting this was the case.
What everyone needs to be concerned with at this point is if Zimmerman is prosecuted because of the uproar, I have a feeling the big white sleeping giant is going to be awakened and all hell is going to break loose.
Maybe poker's just not your game Ike. I know! Let's have a spelling contest!
Also I do know for a fact I am concerned about my skin color when I'm in certain sections on Atlanta. By both police AND the residents. All people are bigots to some point or another, it's part of human nature. Some are just more selective about it than others...
Obliviously you were not raised in Memphis or you would know this isn’t possible. Whites can never be treated in the ways you are describing here. It simply could not happen because she didn’t see it in Memphis.
I have a feeling the big white sleeping giant is going to be awakened and all hell is going to break loose.
I don't think many believe it could actually happen. Electing Obama was supposed to fix these kinds of things. Not make them worse...
As they should, whites are getting tired of feeling guilty for all the things they haven't done but are blamed for.
This topic is a prime example of how some let their "white guilt" smother basic common sense.
Not if he was in a gated community where he had no business. If he had business there, like visiting a friend or relative and THEY gave him the code to unlock the gate, then he was not committing a crime by being there. However, if he wasn't there visiting someone who gave him the code for the gate, he WAS committing a crime. Did I understand correctly that he "cutting through" the property? Isn't that a little like trespassing? How many people have I seen on here through the years who complain about kids "cutting through" the back part of their land?
zoocrew, on 25 March 2012 - 11:18 AM, said:
The kid had the right to be walking down the street. It is not a crime to do that.
The situation you're describing about your property is completely different than this one.
Next time it could be you that is accosted for walking were someone didn't think you should be. We all now how situations escalate. Is that a price we want to pay?
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