[Jet_man1969]

I think the punishment fits, What say you?
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[feelip]

This has been around as long as football. Hard hits in high school were rewarded with a helmet sticker.

I'll say this. When Goodell gets the NFL sissied down to two-hand touch, I will stop watching it.

And the Saints will still beat the Falcons at least twice in 2012.

[janko9]

feelip, on 22 March 2012 - 09:43 AM, said:

This has been around as long as football. Hard hits in high school were rewarded with a helmet sticker.

I'll say this. When Goodell gets the NFL sissied down to two-hand touch, I will stop watching it.

And the Saints will still beat the Falcons at least twice in 2012.

Completely agree and have been using that comparison with friends I argue with about this. Ohio St. is a prime example for the stickers. While I do agree partially with the Greg Williams suspension, Sean Peyton's suspension is uncalled for. I was taught all the from peewee football all through college to KILL whom ever got in my way. The older I got and had game film the more I had targets. ITS FOOTBALL. All these arm tackles I see the past couple of years are disgusting. Goodell might as well strip the uniforms and use tshirts and shorts with a flag belt or go control the Lingerie Football League

This post has been edited by janko9: 22 March 2012 - 11:23 AM

[Jonger]

janko9, on 22 March 2012 - 11:16 AM, said:

Completely agree and have been using that comparison with friends I argue with about this. Ohio St. is a prime example for the stickers. While I do agree partially with the Greg Williams suspension, Sean Peyton's suspension is uncalled for. I was taught all the from peewee football all through college to KILL whom ever got in my way. The older I got and had game film the more I had targets. ITS FOOTBALL. All these arm tackles I see the past couple of years are disgusting. Goodell might as well strip the uniforms and use tshirts and shorts with a flag belt or go control the Lingerie Football League

Sean Peyton's suspension is absolutely not uncalled for considering that he was warned about putting a stop to this two years ago, yet he chose to ignore the commissioner and allow this to continue. Gregg Williams was at the forefront of this and IMO should never be allowed to coach in this league again, but Peyton also deserves to take a hit considering that he allowed it to happen. He messed up by not having better control over what goes on in his locker room and by not being upfront with the commish.

As a defender, you are definitely taught to put a big hit on the opposing player, but no way should your coach be offering you extra incentive for causing an opposing player to be carted off the field. Whether these guys like it or not, they are role models for younger players (Pee Wee, middle school, high school, college), and this is not a good example to set. Putting a big hit on a guy is one thing, but you should never go out there with the intent to seriously injure an opposing player. That's not football. That's just barbarism.

[janko9]

Jonger, on 22 March 2012 - 01:22 PM, said:

Sean Peyton's suspension is absolutely not uncalled for considering that he was warned about putting a stop to this two years ago, yet he chose to ignore the commissioner and allow this to continue. Gregg Williams was at the forefront of this and IMO should never be allowed to coach in this league again, but Peyton also deserves to take a hit considering that he allowed it to happen. He messed up by not having better control over what goes on in his locker room and by not being upfront with the commish.

As a defender, you are definitely taught to put a big hit on the opposing player, but no way should your coach be offering you extra incentive for causing an opposing player to be carted off the field. Whether these guys like it or not, they are role models for younger players (Pee Wee, middle school, high school, college), and this is not a good example to set. Putting a big hit on a guy is one thing, but you should never go out there with the intent to seriously injure an opposing player. That's not football. That's just barbarism.

Its football. Been that way for yrs. Heck it use to be for steak dinners in the NFL and it was no big deal. I'd rather hurt or get hurt for money than for a sticker like they use in college. I like what Mike Golic has said on Mike and Mike. If this is the way the NFL is goin to be than they might as well go after players or any coach who has had a player end anothers career ex. Johnny Knox broken back last year after a clean hit. Most of the hits were ALL CLEAN. With exception of maybe Malcom Jenkins(NO) hitting Steve Smith in Carolina last yr, but hey I would have done the same thing to the loud mouth. He's as dirty as they come. If it hurst your fellings don't watch. I say Peyton sues since he has no one to back him up like the players have the NFLPA

This post has been edited by janko9: 22 March 2012 - 01:46 PM

[feelip]

Jonger, on 22 March 2012 - 01:22 PM, said:

Sean Peyton's suspension is absolutely not uncalled for considering that he was warned about putting a stop to this two years ago, yet he chose to ignore the commissioner and allow this to continue. Gregg Williams was at the forefront of this and IMO should never be allowed to coach in this league again, but Peyton also deserves to take a hit considering that he allowed it to happen. He messed up by not having better control over what goes on in his locker room and by not being upfront with the commish.

As a defender, you are definitely taught to put a big hit on the opposing player, but no way should your coach be offering you extra incentive for causing an opposing player to be carted off the field. Whether these guys like it or not, they are role models for younger players (Pee Wee, middle school, high school, college), and this is not a good example to set. Putting a big hit on a guy is one thing, but you should never go out there with the intent to seriously injure an opposing player. That's not football. That's just barbarism.

Pardon me sir, but your Bulldog is showing.

I can just hear my old coach now. Feelip, on this next play I want you to back off a little and don't hit the other player quite so hard.

This post has been edited by feelip: 22 March 2012 - 01:51 PM

[Jonger]

janko9, on 22 March 2012 - 01:34 PM, said:

Its football. Been that way for yrs. Heck it use to be for steak dinners in the NFL and it was no big deal. I'd rather hurt or get hurt for money than for a sticker like they use in college. I like what Mike Golic has said on Mike and Mike. If this is the way the NFL is goin to be than they might as well go after players or any coach who has had a player end anothers career ex. Johnny Knox broken back last year after a clean hit. Most of the hits were ALL CLEAN. With exception of maybe Malcom Jenkins(NO) hitting Steve Smith in Carolina last yr, but hey I would have done the same thing to the loud mouth. He's as dirty as they come. If it hurst your fellings don't watch. I say Peyton sues since he has no one to back him up like the players have the NFLPA

Trying to purposely injure someone is not football. Injuries are a part of the game, but most civilized professional football players are not going to back being given an extra incentive to cause a quarterback to be carted off the field. Causing injury on a clean hit when you are just merely doing your job is perfectly fine. Causing injury because you were motivated by your DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR offering you extra incentive is nothing but wrong. I hope you are never in any kind of coaching capacity if you cannot see the wrong in this.

[Jonger]

feelip, on 22 March 2012 - 01:50 PM, said:

Pardon me sir, but your Bulldog is showing.

I can just hear my old coach now. Feelip, on this next play I want you to back off a little and don't hit the other player quite so hard.

My bulldog? WTF?

Pardon me sir, your lack of reading and comprehension is showing because I don't recall saying anything about players needing to back off on hitting so hard. Try again...

[halo 2]

All of the years I played we always got stickers for:

1. Interceptions
2. Sacks
3. Game saving tackles
4. Great Receptions resulting in TD's
5. Great TD rushes
6. Kick off return TD's
7. Punt Return TD's

but NEVER for LIGHTING UP SOMEONE.. that whole era started with ESPN giving props to those who leave their feet and bang someone head to head because they were never taught how to tackle. I have mixed feelings only because I was mostly a defensive player but honestly dirty players make me sick " Rodney Harrison" and other like him that do try and hurt someone instead of just playing the game. You can play the game and be very successful without being dirty. You wont make it on ESPN as often but you will also be a better person by doing things right. A SOLID HARD shot is all part of the game but someone leaving their feet just to "light'em up" is not football. If you dont wrap your arms around the offensive player..... Your not tackling someone. I have to say that in this case... I side with Jonger and thats a change from the past. lol.

[feelip]

halo 2, on 22 March 2012 - 03:48 PM, said:

All of the years I played we always got stickers for:

1. Interceptions
2. Sacks
3. Game saving tackles
4. Great Receptions resulting in TD's
5. Great TD rushes
6. Kick off return TD's
7. Punt Return TD's

but NEVER for LIGHTING UP SOMEONE.. that whole era started with ESPN giving props to those who leave their feet and bang someone head to head because they were never taught how to tackle. I have mixed feelings only because I was mostly a defensive player but honestly dirty players make me sick " Rodney Harrison" and other like him that do try and hurt someone instead of just playing the game. You can play the game and be very successful without being dirty. You wont make it on ESPN as often but you will also be a better person by doing things right. A SOLID HARD shot is all part of the game but someone leaving their feet just to "light'em up" is not football. If you dont wrap your arms around the offensive player..... Your not tackling someone. I have to say that in this case... I side with Jonger and thats a change from the past. lol.

We are obviously talking about two different things. Cheap shots and hard hits are not the same thing.

Good hard plastic popping hits can change the tempo of a game as quickly as 30 yard pass plays. I played for coaches that preached firstest with the mostest and if he's just standing there put him on his ass. This has always been a part of football. But I'm old school. My heroes were Dick Butkus, Tommy Nobis, Ben Davidson and the like. I'd like to see Goodell tell one of them not to hit someone too hard.

[feelip]

Jonger, on 22 March 2012 - 03:26 PM, said:

My bulldog? WTF?

Pardon me sir, your lack of reading and comprehension is showing because I don't recall saying anything about players needing to back off on hitting so hard. Try again...

The Saints were offering rewards for hits that took players out of the game. Not cheap shots to the knees or helmet to helmet hits. Just hard hits that resulted in the other player leaving the game. Yet you are saying that Payton deserved to be suspended? I think Goodell needs to be suspended before he does to pro football what NASCAR has done to stock car racing.

The Bulldog remark was a joke. Thorry you're tho thenthative about your Dawgth.

[dapandlap]

feelip, on 22 March 2012 - 04:46 PM, said:

The Saints were offering rewards for hits that took players out of the game. Not cheap shots to the knees or helmet to helmet hits. Just hard hits that resulted in the other player leaving the game. Yet you are saying that Payton deserved to be suspended? I think Goodell needs to be suspended before he does to pro football what NASCAR has done to stock car racing.

The Bulldog remark was a joke. Thorry you're tho thenthative about your Dawgth.

Perhaps you haven't seen the video of NO. players hitting at the knees, grabbing/twisting the knees, and then taking Farve to the ground by the knees, which followed by Farve leaving on a cart.

[janko9]

dapandlap, on 22 March 2012 - 04:57 PM, said:

Perhaps you haven't seen the video of NO. players hitting at the knees, grabbing/twisting the knees, and then taking Farve to the ground by the knees, which followed by Farve leaving on a cart.

A perfect tackle is wrapping up from the knee caps to the waist. Its called a signature tackle instead of that BS arm tackling. Twisting is just added. If thats the case I'm going to hell for the knees I've damaged and few legs I've broken. I would NEVER change the outcome of my hits. Good thing I'm not a HS coach around here b/c thats exactly the way I would coach it. Then again I come from a football state, not a soccer state. No I'm not knocking soccer necessarily, my oldest daughter plays it. I am behind you 110% Feelip

This post has been edited by janko9: 22 March 2012 - 06:04 PM

[dapandlap]

janko9, on 22 March 2012 - 05:59 PM, said:

A perfect tackle is wrapping up from the knee caps to the waist. Its called a signature tackle instead of that BS arm tackling. Twisting is just added. If thats the case I'm going to hell for the knees I've damaged and few legs I've broken. I would NEVER change the outcome of my hits. Good thing I'm not a HS coach around here b/c thats exactly the way I would coach it. Then again I come from a football state, not a soccer state. No I'm not knocking soccer necessarily, my oldest daughter plays it. I am behind you 110% Feelip

I love football, and believe me when I say I love a GOOD HIT, I have had more than my share of coaches from our opposing teams come to me after the game to congratulate me on my defensive plays/tackles.
I still knew the difference between ENDING the play, and purposely injuring my opponent.
If you broke legs and damaged knees on purpose, you are one sick SOB.

[janko9]

[quote name='dapandlap' timestamp='1332460603' post='3615446']
I love football, and believe me when I say I love a GOOD HIT, I have had more than my share of coaches from our opposing teams come to me after the game to congratulate me on my defensive plays/tackles.
I still knew the difference between ENDING the play, and purposely injuring my opponent.
If you broke legs and damaged knees on purpose, you are one sick SOB.
[/quote

Then call me sick b/c I was out there to hurt and have fun. Did I go out there saying hey, I'm going to snap #28 leg in half, NO, but if I hurt him I would not feel bad one bit. To me there is no difference. Sorry thats how I believe the game to be played. I was purposely clipped behind the knee in college and tore ligaments, but not mad b/c I know thats how the game is played. If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen. I didn't sign up for flag football. SORRY, but those hits on Favre etc were clean as could be. If you want any player who chop blocks should be kicked out of the game or suspended instead of a penalty. That block aims directly for the knees and is a Chicken you know what move. Then on the other hand I also hate the new defenseless player rule. The NFL called it a "Bounty" that is why it has been made such a big deal. I'm not a bad guy believe me its just the way I played and was taught the game for 15 yrs was to hurt anyone in the way. To me thats football

This post has been edited by janko9: 22 March 2012 - 07:56 PM

[Go BLUE!]

Attempting to cause injury is not football its MMA. All suspensions 100 percent deserved. I'm in full agreement they have watered down the NFL, but there is no place for this kind of crap. The only people that defend it are those that have never worn the pads but wish they could have.

[dapandlap]

Go BLUE!, on 22 March 2012 - 07:10 PM, said:

Attempting to cause injury is not football its MMA. All suspensions 100 percent deserved. I'm in full agreement they have watered down the NFL, but there is no place for this kind of crap. The only people that defend it are those that have never worn the pads but wish they could have.

Dang Blue, the world must be coming to the end, we actually agree on something.

[HiPlainsDrifter]

It's been my experience that when someone's favorite player goes down from a brutal hit, the "can't take the heat get out of the kitchen" talk ceases. When it's their own kid being carried off the field, the anger and silence is two fold. Trust me, I know fans personally who love the tough talk, until the tables are turned. I'm all about old school smash mouth football, but it doesn't mean you have to play dirty.

[halo 2]

I coach and I LOVE a Good solid tackle. If my kids were to do something illegal or dangerous to someone else purposely... they would be sent off the field. No matter what "your personal beliefs" are, there is a "SPORT" being played. Not an intent on keeping someone from ever playing, or creating an injury that takes someone out of their way to make a living. The problem is that Football Players that are now in the college and professional levels were not taught the proper techniques and have only been praised for "takin someone out" or "blowin it up" which I admit is fun to watch but its also no different than saying its ok to go through LIFE being crooked and doing things that are illegal because "it helps me and makes me look good". If you teach a your kid to do things illegal... "not hit hard, because thats not illegal" then you have failed your child. And there is a chance that they will be the one being carried off the field with an injury.

[Jonger]

feelip, on 22 March 2012 - 04:46 PM, said:

The Saints were offering rewards for hits that took players out of the game. Not cheap shots to the knees or helmet to helmet hits. Just hard hits that resulted in the other player leaving the game. Yet you are saying that Payton deserved to be suspended? I think Goodell needs to be suspended before he does to pro football what NASCAR has done to stock car racing.

The Bulldog remark was a joke. Thorry you're tho thenthative about your Dawgth.

Not sensitive at all. Just wondering why you felt the need to be a douche. Now I'm just wondering if you were born that way or chose to become one.

As far as the bounty, it does not matter whether or not the shots were dirty or not. That was never the point. Although if you watch the video of their playoff game with the Vikings, you can clearly see DE Bobby McCray going for Favre's knees on this one play. He was actually fined after the game for two late hits, so obviously not all of these hits were clean.

Dirtiness aside, the main reason why Sean Payton is suspended is because he basically told the commish to go screw himself after the entire league was warned a couple of years ago about conducting these bounty programs. Had he had better control over his team, his punishment would have probably only been a few games, but he deserves this for thinking that his team is above the rules. Speaking of rules, the whole concept of any coach paying a player extra incentive happens to also be against league rules. Gregg Williams did this while a member of Payton's staff, so Payton also deserves to be punished.

[Jonger]

janko9, on 22 March 2012 - 05:59 PM, said:

A perfect tackle is wrapping up from the knee caps to the waist. Its called a signature tackle instead of that BS arm tackling. Twisting is just added. If thats the case I'm going to hell for the knees I've damaged and few legs I've broken. I would NEVER change the outcome of my hits. Good thing I'm not a HS coach around here b/c thats exactly the way I would coach it. Then again I come from a football state, not a soccer state. No I'm not knocking soccer necessarily, my oldest daughter plays it. I am behind you 110% Feelip

I come from a football state, and the BS that you've spewed in this thread is pretty asinine. The fact that you seem to take pride in taking out someone's knee or leg is pretty sick and tells me that you were probably a player who was either too frail or cowardly to really go toe-to-toe with someone, so you had to resort to going low.

[janko9]

Jonger, on 23 March 2012 - 02:08 PM, said:

I come from a football state, and the BS that you've spewed in this thread is pretty asinine. The fact that you seem to take pride in taking out someone's knee or leg is pretty sick and tells me that you were probably a player who was either too frail or cowardly to really go toe-to-toe with someone, so you had to resort to going low.

Whatever computer tough guy. Its obvious you never played and if you did why you were a bencher. If you call hitting hard b/n the knees and waist low, then someone taught you wrong. Never said I took pride in it, but it also never made me back down. I don't feel I need to apologize for being trained or coached the way I was. By the way I haven't played in 12yrs so its no longer my life. If the NFL wouldn't have used the word "Bounty" it would not be an issue. Instead of money it use to be steak/lobster dinners. Sorry, but I would rather lose my career over money than a steak dinner. The Lingerie League might be looking for players they don't hit as hard. Go try out

This post has been edited by janko9: 23 March 2012 - 02:54 PM

[Jonger]

Computer tough guy? Lol, says the clown who comes on here beating his chest about the amount of Joe Theismann's that he supposedly made. I bet you were the guy who only went in during mop-up duty and then did his best to cripple someone so that the starters might consider inviting him to the party. Your dribble is as embarrassing as Kellen Winslow's "I'm a f-ing soldier!" rant.

[Mr. October]

You guys are arguing the wrong point. Peyton's suspension was due to repeatedly lying to the commissioners office about the existence of
& his knowledge of the program. If you go before the judge and lie to his face and instruct those who work for to do likewise, you can expect him to throw the book at you. that's what happened here. Your attempts to out-tough guy each other are humorous though.

This post has been edited by Mr. October: 23 March 2012 - 04:58 PM

[janko9]

Mr. October, on 23 March 2012 - 04:58 PM, said:

You guys are arguing the wrong point. Peyton's suspension was due to repeatedly lying to the commissioners office about the existence of
& his knowledge of the program. If you go before the judge and lie to his face and instruct those who work for to do likewise, you can expect him to throw the book at you. that's what happened here. Your attempts to out-tough guy each other are humorous though.

I think its funny as well.