Okay so color me confused. People here have complained for years about the lopsided tax base due to Paulding County being a "bedroom community" to Atlanta and not having the industry to help offset the tax burden to the homeowners. I'm sorry but you just logically can't have it both ways.
A lot of you came here looking for cheaper housing, yet a reasonable commute into Atlanta for jobs. You were able to benefit from lower housing costs in the process costing you less out of pocket and less in the way of monthly payments that several other Metro Atlanta counties.
Some of you were fortunate to sell before the housing crisis and most likely made a decent amount of money from the equity in your homes (provided you paid a reasonable amount down and didn't finance 100% of the purchase price). Some were not so fortunate amd sold during the housing crisis, which by the way, is NOT even remotely exclusive to Paulding County, Georgia.
Yes, I realize our county voted the airport down. But I also realize that our county leaders had enough common sense and foresight to look toward the future to attempt to "even out the tax base" and to try to assist in overcoming the burden placed on the typical Paulding County homeowner. So.....our county accepted FAA funds which funded the majority of the airpot and IF Paulding County had not accepted these funds, some other county in the United States would be reaping the benefits of this same money about right now.
Yes, I realize that there are minimal, annual costs to the Paulding County taxpayers for this airport. Proportionally related, we the taxpayers will very likely be coming out on the "good end of the stick" when this is all said and done. We have to remember that the airport was constructed at the beginning of very turbulent economic times and we have simply not yet had time to experience the long-term benefits the airport will bring.
Quite simply put, building the airport is simply comparable to putting money in a savings / investment account. My opinion, of course.
Why do you suppose no other county in the entire UNITED STATES had accepted this "free airport" in all the years prior? Please don't tell me PC's leaders were smarter then EVERY OTHER LOCAL GOV'T in the United States.
There is no such thing as a free lunch.
"If heaven ain't a lot like Detroit, I don't wanna go....if they ain't got no 8 Mile like they do up in the D, then send me to hell or Salt Lake City it would be about the same to me." - Uncle Kracker
Why do you suppose no other county in the entire UNITED STATES had accepted this "free airport" in all the years prior? Please don't tell me PC's leaders were smarter then EVERY OTHER LOCAL GOV'T in the United States.
There is no such thing as a free lunch.
I don't know how many counties in the U. S. the free airport has been offered to - do you and can you provide a link?
What I can tell you though is that Paulding County has repeatedly been in the top ten (and sometimes top five) fastest growing counties in the United States. Obviously, that must mean something to the FAA.
Anyone that defends King Jerry, or his Followers without actually understanding how much money they have cost this counties residents. I lived in Paulding for five years and it was plan as day how miss-managed this place was, the fact life long residents don't see it is amazing to me. Rising property taxes, clear violation of property rights coupled with declining schools, declining property values, declining jobs, declining services etc. yet folks still act like nothing is wrong. Sorry but free or not building an airport for NO reason, is just flat out stupid and as others have said there is a reason no one else has taken the gov't up on their "free" money. Approving sub after sub after sub without ANY improvement to schools or infrastructure is nothing more then a money grab - ESPECIALLY when you see how connected these fine folks were in the housing industry.
NOW there will be a few folks that say I don't know what I'm talking about. To this I say BULLcheeze. It's all public record - and it isn't hard to add 2+2 and get 4 when it comes to matters like this.
But hell, I'm sure EVERY growing county is sure to have insanely low property value, half built subs as far as the eye can see, no jobs that pay above min. wage or don't involve retail hours, no easy access to the hubs of the county like Hiram and Dallas, schools without text books, and a police force that can't even write up incident reports for traffic accidents....and an airport.
I don't know how many counties in the U. S. the free airport has been offered to - do you and can you provide a link?
What I can tell you though is that Paulding County has repeatedly been in the top ten (and sometimes top five) fastest growing counties in the United States. Obviously, that must mean something to the FAA.
Cheap housing with few limits and restrictions for over 20 years helped that "growth" process along. We would be in a much better place right now if there had been better planning, limits to the growth, and not quite so cheap and shoddy housing being built. I do hope you are right about that airport. I wish I had as the same positive feelings about it, so it just makes me want to ask...you wouldn't happen to own a small plane, would you?
Cheap housing with few limits and restrictions for over 20 years helped that "growth" process along. We would be in a much better place right now if there had been better planning, limits to the growth, and not quite so cheap and shoddy housing being built. I do hope you are right about that airport. I wish I had as the same positive feelings about it, so it just makes me want to ask...you wouldn't happen to own a small plane, would you?
No- I don't own a plane and never have, nor do any of my family members. My Dad had his pilot license at one time but that was years ago and his license is no longer active. Lord forbid that I ever get a pilot's license and own an airplane - would not be safe. I am not too "technical minded" and could never understand how to use the instruments.
This post has been edited by Beach Bum: 21 March 2012 - 09:18 PM
Okay so color me confused. People here have complained for years about the lopsided tax base due to Paulding County being a "bedroom community" to Atlanta and not having the industry to help offset the tax burden to the homeowners. I'm sorry but you just logically can't have it both ways.
A lot of you came here looking for cheaper housing, yet a reasonable commute into Atlanta for jobs. You were able to benefit from lower housing costs in the process costing you less out of pocket and less in the way of monthly payments that several other Metro Atlanta counties.
Some of you were fortunate to sell before the housing crisis and most likely made a decent amount of money from the equity in your homes (provided you paid a reasonable amount down and didn't finance 100% of the purchase price). Some were not so fortunate amd sold during the housing crisis, which by the way, is NOT even remotely exclusive to Paulding County, Georgia.
Yes, I realize our county voted the airport down. But I also realize that our county leaders had enough common sense and foresight to look toward the future to attempt to "even out the tax base" and to try to assist in overcoming the burden placed on the typical Paulding County homeowner. So.....our county accepted FAA funds which funded the majority of the airpot and IF Paulding County had not accepted these funds, some other county in the United States would be reaping the benefits of this same money about right now.
Yes, I realize that there are minimal, annual costs to the Paulding County taxpayers for this airport. Proportionally related, we the taxpayers will very likely be coming out on the "good end of the stick" when this is all said and done. We have to remember that the airport was constructed at the beginning of very turbulent economic times and we have simply not yet had time to experience the long-term benefits the airport will bring.
Quite simply put, building the airport is simply comparable to putting money in a savings / investment account. My opinion, of course.
Well said..... Most people complaining are homeowners in sudivisions....so they contributed to it become a "bedroom community". Unlike our familys who have been here for over 100 years. I have seen my greedy cousins sell off their inherited portion of land that our great grandparents owned back in the early 1900's to a developer and now we have to look at subdivisions.
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Well said..... Most people complaining are homeowners in sudivisions....so they contributed to it become a "bedroom community". Unlike our familys who have been here for over 100 years. I have seen my greedy cousins sell off their inherited portion of land that our great grandparents owned back in the early 1900's to a developer and now we have to look at subdivisions.
BS! My family was some of the original squatters in Paulding County and I own 50+ acres. WTF does that have to do with having enough sense to know the difference between a bunch of self-serving crooks and a decent person?
Maybe poker's just not your game Ike. I know! Let's have a spelling contest!
Cheap housing with few limits and restrictions for over 20 years helped that "growth" process along. We would be in a much better place right now if there had been better planning, limits to the growth, and not quite so cheap and shoddy housing being built. I do hope you are right about that airport. I wish I had as the same positive feelings about it, so it just makes me want to ask...you wouldn't happen to own a small plane, would you?
Bingo! We have a winner!
The ironic part is we paid to be involved with the Coosa Valley Development Authority. There was a land use plan drawn up, and virtually everywhere that plan showed industrial development, especially along the accessible rail corridors with good connections to 278, our BOC put houses instead.
Yes, the airport would be a + in a column of bullets showing the good and the bad for Paulding for a business looking to move here. But in all reality, the money would have been better spent developing some A+ industrial/business parks for these potential businesses to look at moving into. Doesn't do much good to have the airport as a bonus point for a business to relocate here, if there is no where for them to relocate to. They want to see a choice of buildings in their size range, ready to move into in 30 days. We don't have much of anything to speak of, and it would take the better part of a year to build something, assuming there was ready to build lots in a nice industrial office park.
When you think they are ganging up against you....."Illigitimus non es carborundum"
Well said..... Most people complaining are homeowners in sudivisions....so they contributed to it become a "bedroom community". Unlike our familys who have been here for over 100 years. I have seen my greedy cousins sell off their inherited portion of land that our great grandparents owned back in the early 1900's to a developer and now we have to look at subdivisions.
I used to love hearing this crap too. Who do you think approved ALL THE SUBS? The same folks you are defending that approved the airport.
Oh, and Beach Bum - I don't have the link, but as far as I know the FAA offered the airport to any county that didn't have one in the US. Paulding was just the only one that fell for the BT Barnum sales pitch.
Like I said - thankfully I wrote my last check to the county, so the issue is no longer mine. I just hope for my friends sake the collective heads get removed from their asses and those that blindly defend these crooks will see the light.
"If heaven ain't a lot like Detroit, I don't wanna go....if they ain't got no 8 Mile like they do up in the D, then send me to hell or Salt Lake City it would be about the same to me." - Uncle Kracker
I used to love hearing this crap too. Who do you think approved ALL THE SUBS? The same folks you are defending that approved the airport.
Oh, and Beach Bum - I don't have the link, but as far as I know the FAA offered the airport to any county that didn't have one in the US. Paulding was just the only one that fell for the BT Barnum sales pitch.
Like I said - thankfully I wrote my last check to the county, so the issue is no longer mine. I just hope for my friends sake the collective heads get removed from their asses and those that blindly defend these crooks will see the light.
GB, If you have any good land deals where you moved, maybe you could entice our good county leaders..(cough)to move there for better opportunities......
I used to love hearing this crap too. Who do you think approved ALL THE SUBS? The same folks you are defending that approved the airport.
Oh, and Beach Bum - I don't have the link, but as far as I know the FAA offered the airport to any county that didn't have one in the US. Paulding was just the only one that fell for the BT Barnum sales pitch.
Like I said - thankfully I wrote my last check to the county, so the issue is no longer mine. I just hope for my friends sake the collective heads get removed from their asses and those that blindly defend these crooks will see the light.
I don't suppose you have the link to that either, right?
This is just another thread that proves to me that there are simply some bitter individuals out there that will never be happy, regardless of who holds elected office and regardless of what is done to try and improve our community.
I used to love hearing this crap too. Who do you think approved ALL THE SUBS? The same folks you are defending that approved the airport.
Oh, and Beach Bum - I don't have the link, but as far as I know the FAA offered the airport to any county that didn't have one in the US. Paulding was just the only one that fell for the BT Barnum sales pitch.
Like I said - thankfully I wrote my last check to the county, so the issue is no longer mine. I just hope for my friends sake the collective heads get removed from their asses and those that blindly defend these crooks will see the light.
Looking at the airport from a cash flow basis-- THe millions we have already sunk into it, what it will cost going forward and the little bit of ad valorem taxes received from planes based there, plus the fuelage fees and ground leases. Looks like Paulding County will be in the red on that one for a long time.
Looking at the airport from a cash flow basis-- THe millions we have already sunk into it, what it will cost going forward and the little bit of ad valorem taxes received from planes based there, plus the fuelage fees and ground leases. Looks like Paulding County will be in the red on that one for a long time.
The tornado set us back some that is for sure, many that were using the airport don't have word that it is open, so fuel sales are slow. The new business that is going to base operations there has to wait until they can start building again.
I didn't find a page with an overlay, maybe it had a mistake on it and they took it down for corrections. Let us know if they get it back up so we can see what folks are concerned with.
The tornado really was a setback, the good news is that the Air Show this fall is planning to donate some of the proceeds to tornado relief.
I really hope we can get past some of the issues and have this turned into a success for the people of Paulding.
The tornado set us back some that is for sure, many that were using the airport don't have word that it is open, so fuel sales are slow. The new business that is going to base operations there has to wait until they can start building again.
I didn't find a page with an overlay, maybe it had a mistake on it and they took it down for corrections. Let us know if they get it back up so we can see what folks are concerned with.
The tornado really was a setback, the good news is that the Air Show this fall is planning to donate some of the proceeds to tornado relief.
I really hope we can get past some of the issues and have this turned into a success for the people of Paulding.
I just read the above in the Dallas-Hiram Patch .
I'm quite sure our county leaders, Airport Authority, Industrial Building Authority and Community Development won't let these "Debby Downers" get in their way of doing their best to make the airport succeed and in continuing to strive to make our community a better place in which to live.
I'm quite sure our county leaders, Airport Authority, Industrial Building Authority and Community Development won't let these "Debby Downers" get in their way of doing their best to make the airport succeed and in continuing to strive to make our community a better place in which to live.
Wonder which one of these "wonderful people" cleared the most profit from the overpriced courthouse project?
Maybe poker's just not your game Ike. I know! Let's have a spelling contest!
Wonder which one of these "wonderful people" cleared the most profit from the overpriced courthouse project?
I don't know feelip but I assume by your statement that you must know ALL the facts. Please share with SPECIFICS and not those ambiguous "generalities" that so many here post.
I don't know feelip but I assume by your statement that you must know ALL the facts. Please share with SPECIFICS and not those ambiguous "generalities" that so many here post.
I said I was f***ing bored, not f***ing stupid.
Maybe poker's just not your game Ike. I know! Let's have a spelling contest!
I don't suppose you have the link to that either, right?
This is just another thread that proves to me that there are simply some bitter individuals out there that will never be happy, regardless of who holds elected office and regardless of what is done to try and improve our community.
Didn't I say in the post I don't have the link?
I did google FAA funded airports and got a lot of info - feel free to check for yourself. Like I said, no dog in the fight anymore, I just hope for all of your sakes the leaders of your county get their heads out of their asses. The facts are easy to see if you open your eyes.
"If heaven ain't a lot like Detroit, I don't wanna go....if they ain't got no 8 Mile like they do up in the D, then send me to hell or Salt Lake City it would be about the same to me." - Uncle Kracker
I did google FAA funded airports and got a lot of info - feel free to check for yourself. Like I said, no dog in the fight anymore, I just hope for all of your sakes the leaders of your county get their heads out of their asses. The facts are easy to see if you open your eyes.
Here are some excerpts from the Georgia Trend magazine article:
Leaders know they will have to give companies a reason to relocate. As a result, Paulding has not shied away from investing in infrastructure to support its quest for more companies and jobs. Local leaders have also put a great deal of thought into which kinds of business are best suited for this Northwest Metro county and what it needs to attract them.
Not that growth has come to a complete halt. Last year USA Today ranked Paulding the fifth fastest-growing county in the nation. It’s also the 14th largest in the state in population and continuing to edge up on its rivals.
The sputtering economy reminded leaders here just how dependent the area was on residential and how lacking in business and industry it still remained. The demand for services, such as schools and public safety, and infrastructure for water and sewer often placed a strain on county finances.
That was the end of it until 2002, when a new county government was able to persuade the FAA to pony up funding. So far the feds have invested about $30 million in the airport, with the county chipping in $1.5 million and the Paulding County Industrial Building Authority (IBA) about $5 million.
Oh well.......I guess when you are so focused on the negatives, that it is just sometimes too hard to find the positives.
Here are some excerpts from the Georgia Trend magazine article:
Leaders know they will have to give companies a reason to relocate. As a result, Paulding has not shied away from investing in infrastructure to support its quest for more companies and jobs. Local leaders have also put a great deal of thought into which kinds of business are best suited for this Northwest Metro county and what it needs to attract them.
Not that growth has come to a complete halt. Last year USA Today ranked Paulding the fifth fastest-growing county in the nation. It's also the 14th largest in the state in population and continuing to edge up on its rivals.
The sputtering economy reminded leaders here just how dependent the area was on residential and how lacking in business and industry it still remained. The demand for services, such as schools and public safety, and infrastructure for water and sewer often placed a strain on county finances.
That was the end of it until 2002, when a new county government was able to persuade the FAA to pony up funding. So far the feds have invested about $30 million in the airport, with the county chipping in $1.5 million and the Paulding County Industrial Building Authority (IBA) about $5 million.
Oh well.......I guess when you are so focused on the negatives, that it is just sometimes too hard to find the positives.
All well and good BB, but you have ignored the primary challenge to bringing business to Paulding who will occupy a 25,000 or 50,000 or even a 10,000 square foot building. Where are the buildings in a NICE, [Butler, MG, and Cadillac have all been somewhat ruined by the churches, dance studios, and other entertainment businesses which have moved in] Business/Industrial Park ?
Contrary to popular belief, the businesses who we want moving here have no interest in building their own place. They want to see 3 or 5 or 6 different buildings in their size range, sign a 5 year lease, and move in 30 to 90 days later.
Where are these buildings ?
By blowing the "wad" on the airport, without having viable "nice" office parks, we are back at square one.
Yes, the IBA is now addressing this situation, but the millions we spent on the airport could indeed have been better spent on a joint-venture office/industrial park so there would be move-in ready buildings should we land some business who also would like an airport nearby.
Kind of like putting the cart in front of the horse....but then again, with those in charge at the time, they only cared about getting an airport, paid for by "others" so they could have their planes located nearby.
Only problem with that is most if not all of them, can no longer afford their expensive toys and they have just kind of disappeared.
Yes, if and when the economy comes back, it might be a money maker, but a large joint venture office/industrial park would have been a money maker, creating nice well paying jobs, right off the bat....5, 6, 7 years ago.
Instead, we have the airport, with no where to locate the businesses we need to be bringing here.
Lack of planning and using the funds for what is, no matter what you say, a "Toy" for the few who can still afford it. At $2500 to $5000 per plane in ad valorum taxes it will take an armada of planes for us to break even off of what we are paying to keep the place up and try to build more hangers.
Don't get me wrong, I flew customers out of Cartersville for years during the 1990s to visit my instillations and would have LOVED to have had a more local facility. Yes, it is a plus to the county, but to bring in businesses the first thing we have to do is come up with a way to have a viable, A+ industrial office park with rail access, convienent to 278 that has available buildings and available lots ready to build on and there really are not much or anything 10,000 square feet and larger with dock height loading bays.
No planning. Just build the stuff our campaign contributors want, and to hell with any other long term goals or plans. So we are stuck with unfinished PRDs where we should have put industrial office parks. Palisades is a classic example of this. Along with others on Bill Carruth, Winndale, etc. We allowed those in charge to take the prime industrial property and stick unfinished PRDs on them instead.
And now we have to live with itl
When you think they are ganging up against you....."Illigitimus non es carborundum"
If PC would have wooed over CAT, the airport would be needed and I can tell you from personal experience PC would be economically sound by 50%+. Otherwise a million+ dollar worthless/ not needed for anything airport is useless. Would probably get more money for the scrap metal.
"I already have a guilty conscience, might as well have the money to"
All well and good BB, but you have ignored the primary challenge to bringing business to Paulding who will occupy a 25,000 or 50,000 or even a 10,000 square foot building. Where are the buildings in a NICE, [Butler, MG, and Cadillac have all been somewhat ruined by the churches, dance studios, and other entertainment businesses which have moved in] Business/Industrial Park ?
Contrary to popular belief, the businesses who we want moving here have no interest in building their own place. They want to see 3 or 5 or 6 different buildings in their size range, sign a 5 year lease, and move in 30 to 90 days later.
Where are these buildings ?
By blowing the "wad" on the airport, without having viable "nice" office parks, we are back at square one.
Yes, the IBA is now addressing this situation, but the millions we spent on the airport could indeed have been better spent on a joint-venture office/industrial park so there would be move-in ready buildings should we land some business who also would like an airport nearby.
Kind of like putting the cart in front of the horse....but then again, with those in charge at the time, they only cared about getting an airport, paid for by "others" so they could have their planes located nearby.
Only problem with that is most if not all of them, can no longer afford their expensive toys and they have just kind of disappeared.
Yes, if and when the economy comes back, it might be a money maker, but a large joint venture office/industrial park would have been a money maker, creating nice well paying jobs, right off the bat....5, 6, 7 years ago.
Instead, we have the airport, with no where to locate the businesses we need to be bringing here.
Lack of planning and using the funds for what is, no matter what you say, a "Toy" for the few who can still afford it. At $2500 to $5000 per plane in ad valorum taxes it will take an armada of planes for us to break even off of what we are paying to keep the place up and try to build more hangers.
Don't get me wrong, I flew customers out of Cartersville for years during the 1990s to visit my instillations and would have LOVED to have had a more local facility. Yes, it is a plus to the county, but to bring in businesses the first thing we have to do is come up with a way to have a viable, A+ industrial office park with rail access, convienent to 278 that has available buildings and available lots ready to build on and there really are not much or anything 10,000 square feet and larger with dock height loading bays.
No planning. Just build the stuff our campaign contributors want, and to hell with any other long term goals or plans. So we are stuck with unfinished PRDs where we should have put industrial office parks. Palisades is a classic example of this. Along with others on Bill Carruth, Winndale, etc. We allowed those in charge to take the prime industrial property and stick unfinished PRDs on them instead.
And now we have to live with itl
So I see from this post that you are against the "build it and they will come" attitude, as in the proposed toll road through Paulding.
All well and good BB, but you have ignored the primary challenge to bringing business to Paulding who will occupy a 25,000 or 50,000 or even a 10,000 square foot building. Where are the buildings in a NICE, [Butler, MG, and Cadillac have all been somewhat [b]ruined by the churches, dance studios, and other entertainment businesses which have moved in] Business/Industrial Park ?
[/b]Contrary to popular belief, the businesses who we want moving here have no interest in building their own place. They want to see 3 or 5 or 6 different buildings in their size range, sign a 5 year lease, and move in 30 to 90 days later.
Where are these buildings ?
By blowing the "wad" on the airport, without having viable "nice" office parks, we are back at square one.
Yes, the IBA is now addressing this situation, but the millions we spent on the airport could indeed have been better spent on a joint-venture office/industrial park so there would be move-in ready buildings should we land some business who also would like an airport nearby.
Kind of like putting the cart in front of the horse....but then again, with those in charge at the time, they only cared about getting an airport, paid for by "others" so they could have their planes located nearby.
Only problem with that is most if not all of them, can no longer afford their expensive toys and they have just kind of disappeared.
Yes, if and when the economy comes back, it might be a money maker, but a large joint venture office/industrial park would have been a money maker, creating nice well paying jobs, right off the bat....5, 6, 7 years ago.
Instead, we have the airport, with no where to locate the businesses we need to be bringing here.
Lack of planning and using the funds for what is, no matter what you say, a "Toy" for the few who can still afford it. At $2500 to $5000 per plane in ad valorum taxes it will take an armada of planes for us to break even off of what we are paying to keep the place up and try to build more hangers.
Don't get me wrong, I flew customers out of Cartersville for years during the 1990s to visit my instillations and would have LOVED to have had a more local facility. Yes, it is a plus to the county, but to bring in businesses the first thing we have to do is come up with a way to have a viable, A+ industrial office park with rail access, convienent to 278 that has available buildings and available lots ready to build on and there really are not much or anything 10,000 square feet and larger with dock height loading bays.
No planning. Just build the stuff our campaign contributors want, and to hell with any other long term goals or plans. So we are stuck with unfinished PRDs where we should have put industrial office parks. Palisades is a classic example of this. Along with others on Bill Carruth, Winndale, etc. We allowed those in charge to take the prime industrial property and stick unfinished PRDs on them instead.
And now we have to live with itl
Have you ever heard of supply and demand surepip? When I moved here after college when I married my husband of 32 years (who is a lifelong resident of Pauding County), most people in the United States and Georgia had never even heard of Paulding County.
Due to its beautiful terrain, its close proximity to Atlanta, as well as other factors, Paulding became a "bedroom community." People moved here in droves because they could get "more house for the money." Obviously, when there is a demand for such, that demand will most likely be met. There are many, many people here on p.com that moved to this area for the same reason and you and I both know it.
The building industry itself kept many people in Paulding County employed for a very long time and I am not just talking about people in the building industry itself. I am talking about the restaurants, grocery stores, department stores, hardware stores, building supply stores, day care centers, etc., etc., etc.
I don't claim to be an industrial building expert and evidently, there are lots here on p.com that are not either. I do know that Paulding does not have an interstate running through it; therefore, we are somewhat restricted. Use Rome for an example all you want to surepip as I grew up in that area and I know what is going on there. They don't have an interstate and they have suffered because of it. I realize they have some industry but they truly didn't really have a choice - they are not close enough to either Atlanta or Chattanooga for a commute to either to be feasible.
I truly feel the airport is a MAJOR step in the right direction in bringing industry to our area. I understand mistakes were made (as they are in all areas of the U.S.). Hindsight is 20/20. What I do see here a lot on p.com is the same ole "bitching and moaning" about our community and its leaders. Really.....if you are so unhappy, why not move on to greener pastures? You complained about our last county administration, you are complaining about the current administration and I have very strongly believe you will complain about future administrations.
I don't have all the answers, nor do you evidently or I would think you would have run for political office and "set this all straight."
This post has been edited by Beach Bum: 22 March 2012 - 07:23 PM
SurePip is right. Companys that are big enough to need an airport will require office buildings to be here first.
I guess some people are just so blinded by loyality they can't see the obvious.
"If heaven ain't a lot like Detroit, I don't wanna go....if they ain't got no 8 Mile like they do up in the D, then send me to hell or Salt Lake City it would be about the same to me." - Uncle Kracker
All well and good BB, but you have ignored the primary challenge to bringing business to Paulding who will occupy a 25,000 or 50,000 or even a 10,000 square foot building. Where are the buildings in a NICE, [Butler, MG, and Cadillac have all been somewhat ruined by the churches, dance studios, and other entertainment businesses which have moved in] Business/Industrial Park ?
Contrary to popular belief, the businesses who we want moving here have no interest in building their own place. They want to see 3 or 5 or 6 different buildings in their size range, sign a 5 year lease, and move in 30 to 90 days later.
Where are these buildings ?
By blowing the "wad" on the airport, without having viable "nice" office parks, we are back at square one.
Yes, the IBA is now addressing this situation, but the millions we spent on the airport could indeed have been better spent on a joint-venture office/industrial park so there would be move-in ready buildings should we land some business who also would like an airport nearby.
Kind of like putting the cart in front of the horse....but then again, with those in charge at the time, they only cared about getting an airport, paid for by "others" so they could have their planes located nearby.
Only problem with that is most if not all of them, can no longer afford their expensive toys and they have just kind of disappeared.
Yes, if and when the economy comes back, it might be a money maker, but a large joint venture office/industrial park would have been a money maker, creating nice well paying jobs, right off the bat....5, 6, 7 years ago.
Instead, we have the airport, with no where to locate the businesses we need to be bringing here.
Lack of planning and using the funds for what is, no matter what you say, a "Toy" for the few who can still afford it. At $2500 to $5000 per plane in ad valorum taxes it will take an armada of planes for us to break even off of what we are paying to keep the place up and try to build more hangers.
Don't get me wrong, I flew customers out of Cartersville for years during the 1990s to visit my instillations and would have LOVED to have had a more local facility. Yes, it is a plus to the county, but to bring in businesses the first thing we have to do is come up with a way to have a viable, A+ industrial office park with rail access, convienent to 278 that has available buildings and available lots ready to build on and there really are not much or anything 10,000 square feet and larger with dock height loading bays.
No planning. Just build the stuff our campaign contributors want, and to hell with any other long term goals or plans. So we are stuck with unfinished PRDs where we should have put industrial office parks. Palisades is a classic example of this. Along with others on Bill Carruth, Winndale, etc. We allowed those in charge to take the prime industrial property and stick unfinished PRDs on them instead.
And now we have to live with itl
Surepip, I am not sure if you have had the pleasure of meeting Jamie Gilbert of economic development. He recognizes the issues you are discussing and is making great progress with the Iba in making some great things happen in the areas that are suitable. The opportunity zone is also going to create some great opportunities for existing industries here. I am working on some educational things with video I have collected.
One thing I admire about the efforts are the opportunities and things being done for business already here to help them grow and prosper. There are some good plans in the works and a lot of good prospects for growth. I love attending the meetings, I get very excited about the future plans and efforts to move the airport forward.
As I have said it is here, lets get behind it.
I know every square inch of Paulding that will work for business development is being looked at and marketed all over the country.
I honestly think things are looking up.
Jamie Gilbert is doing an excellent job and we are very fortunate to have him in Paulding County. Not only is he doing an excellent job, he is a great person who knows his stuff.
And I can say without reservation that "some" people are so blinded by their bitterness that they can't see the obvious.
Hate to burst your bubble but I have nothing to be bitter about. I don't live in PC and no longer own land there. I never had to put a child into the schools or have the miss fortune of needing the police for a traffic accident. I had a good job in the ATL and really didn't mind the commute most days.
All that being said I feel bad for my friends that have kids in PC schools, are stuck with insane commutes, high property tax with shrinking home values, declining jobs and poor infastructure with little to now reaction from their elected officals from what I read, hear and see.
Like I said, I hope it improves. Maybe one day there will actually be an office park to attract jobsN kids will have text books and not be in trailors, cops will be abnle to write accident reports and the cities will be abe to afford engineers to figure out the hellish traffic issues through Hiram and into Cobb...but seeing these stories about the airport don't leave me or my PC friends a lot of hope. If you see it different that's great - but you may want to look at the view behind other folks glasses before passing judgement on their valid opinons of the county they share with you.
"If heaven ain't a lot like Detroit, I don't wanna go....if they ain't got no 8 Mile like they do up in the D, then send me to hell or Salt Lake City it would be about the same to me." - Uncle Kracker
Hate to burst your bubble but I have nothing to be bitter about. I don't live in PC and no longer own land there. I never had to put a child into the schools or have the miss fortune of needing the police for a traffic accident. I had a good job in the ATL and really didn't mind the commute most days.
All that being said I feel bad for my friends that have kids in PC schools, are stuck with insane commutes, high property tax with shrinking home values, declining jobs and poor infastructure with little to now reaction from their elected officals from what I read, hear and see.
Like I said, I hope it improves. Maybe one day there will actually be an office park to attract jobsN kids will have text books and not be in trailors, cops will be abnle to write accident reports and the cities will be abe to afford engineers to figure out the hellish traffic issues through Hiram and into Cobb...but seeing these stories about the airport don't leave me or my PC friends a lot of hope. If you see it different that's great - but you may want to look at the view behind other folks glasses before passing judgement on their valid opinons of the county they share with you.
I guess its just a matter of perspective. My 3 children were all educated in Paulding County Schools and received great educations. They were able to maintain the HOPE scholarships throughout college, thanks partly to the education they received in our school system. I don't really often hear of my family members and friends having significant issues with the schools.
Yes, there are traffic issues but that is not exclusive to Paulding County. All of Metro Atlanta has traffic issues. Unfortunately, it is simply a side effect of the droves of people that have moved in the metro area over the last few years. We have no traffic issues in Gulf County, FL where our beach house is but that is simply because there are not people moving there in droves like they are here. With growth usually comes growing problems and yes, we have experienced those.
I'm sorry you didn't enjoy Paulding County and I hope you enjoy your new home. I will admit that I didn't much like Paulding County when I moved here in 1980; however, that soon changed as I tried my very best to play an active role in the community, to be involved, to be educated on issues concerning our community, etc. Have I agreed on the way each and every issue that has involved our community? Of course not. Do I think that taking into consideration the "big picture" that we have a good, well-run community? Absolutely.
Surepip, I am not sure if you have had the pleasure of meeting Jamie Gilbert of economic development. He recognizes the issues you are discussing and is making great progress with the Iba in making some great things happen in the areas that are suitable. The opportunity zone is also going to create some great opportunities for existing industries here. I am working on some educational things with video I have collected.
One thing I admire about the efforts are the opportunities and things being done for business already here to help them grow and prosper. There are some good plans in the works and a lot of good prospects for growth. I love attending the meetings, I get very excited about the future plans and efforts to move the airport forward.
As I have said it is here, lets get behind it.
I know every square inch of Paulding that will work for business development is being looked at and marketed all over the country.
I honestly think things are looking up.
Yes, LPPT, I have met Jamie Gilbert, and I obtained a badge for him to attend the International Poultry Exposition in Atlanta at the WCC the latter part of January, and walked him down the aisle for 4-5 hours introducing him to various companies that have USA operations and several that are looking at opening USA operations. No charge, just because it was something I could do to possibly help him and Paulding to bring business entities here.
I have made this same opportunity to obtain a free badge [$60 otherwise] and walk the floor with Jamie, and all of those who have been involved with the IBA, the Chamber, the BOC, and all other county agencies for the past 30 years. The last one to take me up on the offer was George Hansen of the Chamber back in 1990 or so.
As much as some claim I "trash" the Powers that Be, I have always done anything and everything I can or could do to promote Paulding to those who might have an interest in opening a USA subsidiary or Southeastern operation.
As some know, I had a group out of Birmingham willing to buy my 1st option on the surrounding 60 acres we had from our neighbors, who chose to ignore our 1st option and sell the land to Contour Development. I begged the BOC at the December 2005 meeting to step in and help this come to fruition. Pull up the video and watch....they had not even a comment. And the developer went on to insist he was doing what the BOC wanted him to do in building another 500+ home PRD.
Instead, they chose to sit on their thumbs, stuck up where I won't mention, and proceed with a 500+ PRD. Which, I might add, D R Horton, the building company is now pulling out of with less than 100 homes built. There could have been 5 rail sidings, and the group out of Birmingham had 2 tenants lined up for 100,000+ square foot buildings to anchor the back of the development. How many good manufacturing jobs would this have been ?
Instead we get another partially built PRD where there could have been a 200 acre [they were willing to buy ALL the land Contour had under contract from all of the brothers and sisters of my neighbor and Contour would have made a neat and clean $1.5 million profit just for flipping them the land] industrial office park which would abut the MG property and the Wellstar property and connect to Cadillac.
And, in the process of moving forward with the PRD instead, our illustrious BOC ignored our zoning stipulations for the buffers around us, and turned a blind eye when Contour Development simply "took" our right of way and another 12-1/2 feet of our front yard already promised back to us by PDOT, and the community development director, Ben Skipper told us, "so if you don't like it, then sue us".
So, we sued them, and here we are 6 years later, still fighting those suits after the BOC has spent more than $1.25 million dollars simply to protect the developer, county departments, and strip away our 1st amendment rights to seek redress against government. Another wise use of taxpayer money ? You tell me.
Had they intervened, had some meetings with the developer and my group out of Birmingham, we could have an industrial park with buildings available for potential new businesses to relocate to. Instead, we have another Paulding PRD with no topcoat of asphault, and weeds and PVC pipes sticking up all over the place.
Don't trash me for not cooperating with the Powers that Be to move potential businesses here. I have continued to do so the past 6 years with no possible financial enumeration coming back to me, just because I choose to do so for the possible benefit for Paulding down the road.
When you think they are ganging up against you....."Illigitimus non es carborundum"
Yes, LPPT, I have met Jamie Gilbert, and I obtained a badge for him to attend the International Poultry Exposition in Atlanta at the WCC the latter part of January, and walked him down the aisle for 4-5 hours introducing him to various companies that have USA operations and several that are looking at opening USA operations. No charge, just because it was something I could do to possibly help him and Paulding to bring business entities here.
I have made this same opportunity to obtain a free badge [$60 otherwise] and walk the floor with Jamie, and all of those who have been involved with the IBA, the Chamber, the BOC, and all other county agencies for the past 30 years. The last one to take me up on the offer was George Hansen of the Chamber back in 1990 or so.
As much as some claim I "trash" the Powers that Be, I have always done anything and everything I can or could do to promote Paulding to those who might have an interest in opening a USA subsidiary or Southeastern operation.
As some know, I had a group out of Birmingham willing to buy my 1st option on the surrounding 60 acres we had from our neighbors, who chose to ignore our 1st option and sell the land to Contour Development. I begged the BOC at the December 2005 meeting to step in and help this come to fruition. Pull up the video and watch....they had not even a comment. And the developer went on to insist he was doing what the BOC wanted him to do in building another 500+ home PRD.
Instead, they chose to sit on their thumbs, stuck up where I won't mention, and proceed with a 500+ PRD. Which, I might add, D R Horton, the building company is now pulling out of with less than 100 homes built. There could have been 5 rail sidings, and the group out of Birmingham had 2 tenants lined up for 100,000+ square foot buildings to anchor the back of the development. How many good manufacturing jobs would this have been ?
Instead we get another partially built PRD where there could have been a 200 acre [they were willing to buy ALL the land Contour had under contract from all of the brothers and sisters of my neighbor and Contour would have made a neat and clean $1.5 million profit just for flipping them the land] industrial office park which would abut the MG property and the Wellstar property and connect to Cadillac.
And, in the process of moving forward with the PRD instead, our illustrious BOC ignored our zoning stipulations for the buffers around us, and turned a blind eye when Contour Development simply "took" our right of way and another 12-1/2 feet of our front yard already promised back to us by PDOT, and the community development director, Ben Skipper told us, "so if you don't like it, then sue us".
So, we sued them, and here we are 6 years later, still fighting those suits after the BOC has spent more than $1.25 million dollars simply to protect the developer, county departments, and strip away our 1st amendment rights to seek redress against government. Another wise use of taxpayer money ? You tell me.
Had they intervened, had some meetings with the developer and my group out of Birmingham, we could have an industrial park with buildings available for potential new businesses to relocate to. Instead, we have another Paulding PRD with no topcoat of asphault, and weeds and PVC pipes sticking up all over the place.
Don't trash me for not cooperating with the Powers that Be to move potential businesses here. I have continued to do so the past 6 years with no possible financial enumeration coming back to me, just because I choose to do so for the possible benefit for Paulding down the road.
You know I wasn't trashing you, I just was not sure if you were staying on top of the moving and shaking like you use to.
Just like you have pointed out we don't have as much suitable land for industrial growth as we once did, as far as I know there won't be much risk of subdividing it.
So when you talk of marketing what we have it is not vacant land just anywhere in the county. Industries require certain sewer, water, utility and communications ability. We don't have as much of that to offer as we would like. I have also ask about the land that is partially developed, from what I understand it will always be zoned residential, it will stay empty or will be finished as the market improves way in the future.
This is an opportunity to catch our breath and concentrate on diversifying the tax structure. We also have a chance to improve transportation with the regional Tsplost this will go a long way in attracting industry and relieving stress off of families commuting.
I really liked what you said about doing things that are good for Paulding, not everyone is going to feel like they benefit directly from some of the things that are happening, some folks are going to downright dislike some of the growth.
I know I don't like the increase in traffic where I live, but I accept that others benefited from the school and park, I also recognize that the only thing that makes sense for this community is to turn Dabbs bridge and 61 into a main thoroughfare to 75..
I am going to hate the traffic, but families need to get to work as quickly and cheaply as possible.
The way I see it we either grow industry or we face endless increases in property taxes. Some feel that they can deal with that because they want a quieter lifestyle, but the majority can't afford it.
A lot of folks have the idea that you can gouge local business already here to make up for the tax shortfall, people think businesses have lots of money and they can afford it. That is not the way to go either. We are in competition with thousands of counties all over the country that also have the land and utilities for industry, they are offering tax abatement, educated work force ect. Our industry will pack up and go if the deal is sweet enough. The same goes for the retail we all enjoy, if the homeowners are distressed with high taxes, they spend less the stores move.
I know that you know all this because you are smart, but as I admitted earlier I worked outside of the county years ago and was not aware of what was going on in the county, I was too busy making ends meet and taking care of kids.
Now I do know and I understand more about how our local economy works, how important it is to everyone that lives here to concentrate on building our local economy.
It has everything to do with the quality of life for newborns to the elderly.
A good example is the hospital, everyone looks at the corner and thinks about the benefit of it, they see themselves directly benefiting from it. You hear zero griping about it. On the other hand you have a movie studio and an airport, a minority see themselves benefiting in any way from those 2 things. It is the related industry that will provide the jobs and the diversified tax base in the future.
A lot of things may not come to fruition for 5-10 years, it's not like retail that pops up over night or houses for that matter.
We have to stay on track or we will have these needs shelved from administration to administration just like our reservoir was.
I attend the meetings, I listen, I ask questions and I am comfortable with what I am hearing.
The airport is being leased to businesses, they pay their rent, their taxes and keep their nose to the grindstone to become profitable and grow, their ambition will eventually make the airport successful, we let them do the work and the taxpayers reap the benefit, it's that simple. This goes for all the industry we are trying to attract to the county.
We have to do our part with the zoning, the utility needs and the roads. Businesses are not a bottomless pit of money like people think, we have to nurture our business community. Everyone needs a job, every single business started small and grew. We need to make our community a fertile grown for people that provide jobs and help us provide the services we all need.
Ok I am done, this was not directed at you Surepip but for everyone that reads this.
Our county was basically in crisis when the the housing market tanked, thankfully we did not see a reduction in critical services, and we don't ever want to see it get that bad, the industrial growth is the only way to secure our future.
If PC would have wooed over CAT, the airport would be needed and I can tell you from personal experience PC would be economically sound by 50%+. Otherwise a million+ dollar worthless/ not needed for anything airport is useless. Would probably get more money for the scrap metal.
You are absolutely right, the problem is that industries like CAT require infrastructure to be in place or built. Many large industries require huge amounts of water and sewage, no reservoir no water for those types of industry. On top of that we were forced to shoot our wad on accommodating the housing boom, water, roads, schools, fire stations, police force. By law we have to provide these things for those that buy homes here. Impact fees would have offset that, but that would have cut into the profits of private industry that was the economic engine of the county at the time.
We took a risk on using federal funds, funds the county didn't have and very unlikely we would have unless we raised taxes on homeowners.
You have to start somewhere with something to turn it around, this was what was chosen.
We are starting with industries that don't require the biggest most expensive infrastructure, such as a movie studio. We can generate some taxes from these industries so that we can provide infrastructure for industries that will be big game changers when it comes to jobs and future growth.
We have leadership that is turning it around, it is time to stop grousing about the past. Honestly it is hard enough for our county to compete in the business world, then you have people that are negative about every possible effort being made.
Bottom line, it is about quality of life and prosperity for everyone that lives here.
I want that for my friends and neighbors.
You are absolutely right, the problem is that industries like CAT require infrastructure to be in place or built. Many large industries require huge amounts of water and sewage, no reservoir no water for those types of industry. On top of that we were forced to shoot our wad on accommodating the housing boom, water, roads, schools, fire stations, police force. By law we have to provide these things for those that buy homes here. Impact fees would have offset that, but that would have cut into the profits of private industry that was the economic engine of the county at the time.
We took a risk on using federal funds, funds the county didn't have and very unlikely we would have unless we raised taxes on homeowners.
You have to start somewhere with something to turn it around, this was what was chosen.
We are starting with industries that don't require the biggest most expensive infrastructure, such as a movie studio. We can generate some taxes from these industries so that we can provide infrastructure for industries that will be big game changers when it comes to jobs and future growth.
We have leadership that is turning it around, it is time to stop grousing about the past. Honestly it is hard enough for our county to compete in the business world, then you have people that are negative about every possible effort being made.
Bottom line, it is about quality of life and prosperity for everyone that lives here.
I want that for my friends and neighbors.
IDK, I kind of disagree. In my home town in Indiana CAT brought in the infrastructure and the Cnty busted butt to work with CAT. Before CAT went in there 40 yrs ago Lafayette, IN (Tippecanoe Cnty) was what PC is today. CAT changed that all for the good. Sewer/outside reservoir were not needed b/c CAT built their own on site and use recycled water. Same with the Suburu plant that went in 20 yrs ago. Yes Purdue is there, but not factored really into the economy. What does Athens have that we don't? Except for the University. Unless I haven't seen ALL of it. From my times of going there, they are more off the beaten path of an interstate as we are. Adding in the airport, the Purdue University airport is 5 times the size of ours here and big wigs still opt for Indy like they would for ATL. We love the area except for there is NO work, but ourselves like many others who have moved to the area don't see where PC is ranked in the top 5 of economic developement. From what I see there isn't any and hasn't been too much of it. I have spoke with many people that have said that is why they moved to the area b/c when you read and are told PC is in the top 5 for economic growth, that means jobs. Its sad that many people feel trapped b/c they can't afford to leave. I do agree with you on making Cville Hwy and Dabbs Bridge a direct route to 75. I have said that before on this site and get hammered for it. This small road is already swamped with rigs and wrecks 2-3 days a week. Why not widen it and make a more thorofare to 75, it would prob make the road 10 times safer.
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IDK, I kind of disagree. In my home town in Indiana CAT brought in the infrastructure and the Cnty busted butt to work with CAT. Before CAT went in there 40 yrs ago Lafayette, IN (Tippecanoe Cnty) was what PC is today. CAT changed that all for the good. Sewer/outside reservoir were not needed b/c CAT built their own on site and use recycled water. Same with the Suburu plant that went in 20 yrs ago. Yes Purdue is there, but not factored really into the economy. What does Athens have that we don't? Except for the University. Unless I haven't seen ALL of it. From my times of going there, they are more off the beaten path of an interstate as we are. Adding in the airport, the Purdue University airport is 5 times the size of ours here and big wigs still opt for Indy like they would for ATL. We love the area except for there is NO work, but ourselves like many others who have moved to the area don't see where PC is ranked in the top 5 of economic developement. From what I see there isn't any and hasn't been any. I have spoke with many people that have said that is why they moved to the area b/c when you read and are told PC is in the top 5 for economic growth, that means jobs. Its sad that many people feel trapped b/c they can't afford to leave. I do agree with you on making Cville Hwy and Dabbs Bridge a direct route to 75. I have said that before on this site and get hammered for it. This small road is already swamped with rigs and wrecks 2-3 days a week. Why not widen it and make a more thorofare to 75, it would prob make the road 10 times safer.
That would take "CHANGE" and no one here in PC will vote for change.. they only want to keep the "bedroom communities" and are skeptical about everything.. If they were to even ask about changing dabbs to a through road to 75 there would be a 96 page post on here about.. "which one of the big wigs or big wigs family lives there or near there or were buried there" " i wonder who is making the big bucks for this road to be a through road" " I bet this wont make a dang bit of difference in our economy"
You know all the same fussing that we see anytime anything wants to come out this way. Its all the same and then they would have to organize a "sit in" somewhere to protest something coming into the county. And those of you who will blast me because of this post... YOU know its the truth.
IDK, I kind of disagree. In my home town in Indiana CAT brought in the infrastructure and the Cnty busted butt to work with CAT. Before CAT went in there 40 yrs ago Lafayette, IN (Tippecanoe Cnty) was what PC is today. CAT changed that all for the good. Sewer/outside reservoir were not needed b/c CAT built their own on site and use recycled water. Same with the Suburu plant that went in 20 yrs ago. Yes Purdue is there, but not factored really into the economy. What does Athens have that we don't? Except for the University. From my times of going there, they are more off the beaten path of an interstate as we are. Adding in the airport, the Purdue University airport is 5 times the size of ours here and big wigs still opt for Indy like they would for ATL. We love the area except for there is NO work, but ourselves like many others who have moved to the area don't see where PC is ranked in the top 5 of economic developement. From what I see there isn't any and hasn't been any. I have spoke with many people that have said that is why they moved to the area b/c when you read and are told PC is in the top 5 for economic growth, that means jobs. Its sad that many people feel trapped b/c they can't afford to leave. I do agree with you on making Cville Hwy and Dabbs Bridge a direct route to 75. I have said that before on this site and get hammered for it. This small road is already swamped with rigs and wrecks 2-3 days a week. Why not widen it and make a more thorofare to 75, it would prob make the road 10 times safer.
You are talking about past industrial growth, I have been told that in our past at least going that far back, that leadership was not particularly interested in any type of industrial growth here in the county. In fact our ratio of jobs that pay decent wages inside the county still lays very heavily with Gov. employment.
We are surrounded by industries just outside the county line on all sides.
You have to think about it, when your profit relies heavily on the service industry and Gov. employment you don't have issues with people driving outside the county or growth in the bedroom community. Then you get the squeeze where people are moving into the industrialized counties for the jobs. We are in the squeeze.
Leadership tends to gravitate towards what they personally know, if they have always made their living in Gov, housing, services, that is where they will take you.
People have said that we had leadership that saw airports as a good business and made decisions based on that. If we have resourceful people in the county that can help with the success of an industry then we need to utilize those people because they are vested in the outcome in our community.
We don't want the talent, and the ambition that makes successes leaving us for greener pastures and enriching other communities, we want them here helping us.
Bottom line, it comes down to individuals that work hard in our community.
Business does not just fall into the lap of a community. Individuals start and grow those businesses right here.
If we have individuals that know their stuff and can make the airport successful and bring others that can do the same then we probably will eventually see it made into a success.
We have homegrown talent and ambition right here in our county.
I see people trying very hard to take us in a better direction in very shaky economic times, we simply must move forward. Quite honestly there will probably be some failures. I see businesses fail all the time. I see homeowners have failures. You simply keep trying and there are risk, but that is life.
We are not going to be the poultry capital, the movie capital or probably have one of the largest medical complexes in the country and that is not a bad thing. We are going to be diverse and I see that as a good thing for our future.
That would take "CHANGE" and no one here in PC will vote for change.. they only want to keep the "bedroom communities" and are skeptical about everything.. If they were to even ask about changing dabbs to a through road to 75 there would be a 96 page post on here about.. "which one of the big wigs or big wigs family lives there or near there or were buried there" " i wonder who is making the big bucks for this road to be a through road" " I bet this wont make a dang bit of difference in our economy"
You know all the same fussing that we see anytime anything wants to come out this way. Its all the same and then they would have to organize a "sit in" somewhere to protest something coming into the county. And those of you who will blast me because of this post... YOU know its the truth.
I am pretty sure that the widening of Dabbs bridge and the connector to 75 is dependent on the passing of the regional Tsplost.
We are going to have a chance vote on it.
Part of building roads sometimes involves compensation to those effected by the widening. This is simply how things work.
I am pretty sure that the widening of Dabbs bridge and the connector to 75 is dependent on the passing of the regional Tsplost.
We are going to have a chance vote on it.
Part of building roads sometimes involves compensation to those effected by the widening. This is simply how things work.
I do not think I saw that project on the T-SPLOST list, however.
I do not think I saw that project on the T-SPLOST list, however.
From what I have seen so far this one is pretty far in the future and is contingent on a lot of things, some could move it up. We also are dependent on agreement from other counties and how far up various projects are on their priority list.
It took forever to get 92 widened, I am sure Douglas county was more interested in road improvement surrounding their economic engine, which was I-20 and the mall.
Should Cobb get an opportunity in that area that would benefit from doing this project sooner than later then we might see it move up on the list of priorities.
I would think that the Tsplost would at least start funding the studies required by the state and federal agencies.
From what I have seen so far this one is pretty far in the future and is contingent on a lot of things, some could move it up. We also are dependent on agreement from other counties and how far up various projects are on their priority list.
It took forever to get 92 widened, I am sure Douglas county was more interested in road improvement surrounding their economic engine, which was I-20 and the mall.
Should Cobb get an opportunity in that area that would benefit from doing this project sooner than later then we might see it move up on the list of priorities.
I would think that the Tsplost would at least start funding the studies required by the state and federal agencies.
T-SPLOST would not fund studies - just the actual road projects. I looked again at the priority list and this project is no where to be found.
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Most people complaining are homeowners in sudivisions....so they contributed to it become a "bedroom community". Unlike our familys who have been here for over 100 years. I have seen my greedy cousins sell off their inherited portion of land that our great grandparents owned back in the early 1900's to a developer and now we have to look at subdivisions.
