cobb transplant, on 18 March 2012 - 08:37 PM, said:
The FAA doesn't have any money. The only way they "pay" for anything is by borrowing money and making the payments by taking money from me. So I want my racetrack now. it'll cost about 10 dollars in paint for new lines drawn on the runway. We can get "seniors 2012" to do the painting for cheap.
Where's the dang "LIKE" button on this website?!?!?
I think Surepip's lawsuit was already settled so I don't know why it is even part of this thread.
If it was settled, I missed it. Last I heard it was still pending appeals. Can somebody else weigh in on that?
Let me not to the marriage of true minds
Admit impediments. Love is not love
Which alters when it alteration finds,
Or bends with the remover to remove:
O no! it is an ever-fixed mark
That looks on tempests and is never shaken; William Shakespeare, Sonnet 116
Something I never understood. If Jesus is making these tornadoes go through houses, why do these people crawl out from under the rubble and say Jesus was protecting them? I always want to say "BS! Looked like he was trying His best to kill you."
Thankfully, our houses have not been hit by a tornado; however, that little thing called "life" keeps happening each and every day and I would be FOOLISH to say "it can't happen to my or my family." I pray it doesn't happen to anyone else on the face of the earth but I am realistic in knowing that, unfortunately, it will happen to my family or someone else's family down the road.
Darn surepip. Last time I heard, the world nor Paulding County revolved around "you". I personally don't have a problem with the county and its officials standing up for what they feel is right - that is what we elected them to do. And furthermore, they do have all the facts to work with.
As for the airport, I say let's just sit back and watch what happens. It was built with FAA "free funds" and operates at a very minimal costs to our citizens and was built during a very sluggish economy. Time will tell............. I personally like it when our county officals look to the future for tax revenue and are forward thinking. It is a positive thing to look toward the future!
BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! "Facts to work" with yeah right! Try strings attached to their hands, feet and other things! Jeff Dunham should be so talented!
BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! "Facts to work" with yeah right! Try strings attached to their hands, feet and other things! Jeff Dunham should be so talented!
So....where is your information? Please give us the facts - I am listening.
The BOC evidently has the facts, I don't. Do you?
Surely to goodness you wouldn't just rely on something that someone posted on p.com, right?
This post has been edited by Beach Bum: 18 March 2012 - 09:19 PM
So....where is your information? Please give us the facts - I am listening.
The BOC evidently has the facts, I don't. Do you?
Surely to goodness you wouldn't just rely on something that someone posted on p.com, right?
Since you are the one who stated that they, the BOC, had all of the information, you apparently have some data of your own, so by all means, you go first! To what information were you privy? Better yet, how do you know what info they had unless you were one of them?
Since you are the one who stated that they, the BOC, had all of the information, you apparently have some data of your own, so by all means, you go first! To what information were you privy? Better yet, how do you know what info they had unless you were one of them?
Oh no....you are wrong. I don't have anything to defend. I have just worked in the legal system for about 32 years now and I understand about the legalaties concerning any civil matter.
YOU are the one who said "Facts to work" with yeah right! Try strings attached to their hands, feet and other things! Jeff Dunham should be so talented!"
So......what are you basing that on? You surely must know that as it is a matter involved in litigation, the county cannot discuss it (and even if they could, I very much doubt they would do it here on p.com).
Do you really rely on the one side of the story you have read here on p.com? If so, would you not agree there is always "two sides to every story". I am confident the county has good reasons for continuing to defend this matter.
This post has been edited by Beach Bum: 18 March 2012 - 09:39 PM
Oh no....you are wrong. I don't have anything to defend. I have just worked in the legal system for about 32 years now and I understand about the legalaties concerning any civil matter.
YOU are the one who said "Facts to work" with yeah right! Try strings attached to their hands, feet and other things! Jeff Dunham should be so talented!"
So......what are you basing that on? You surely must know that as it is a matter involved in litigation, the county cannot discuss it (and even if they could, I very much doubt they would do it here on p.com).
Do you really rely on the one side of the story you have read here on p.com? If so, would you not agree there is always "two sides to every story". I am confident the county has good reasons for continuing to defend this matter.
Wrong again sweetheart, I never said I had any info. I made my statement
"Facts to work" with yeah right! Try strings attached to their hands, feet and other things! Jeff Dunham should be so talented"
based on the fact that I found your statement, "And furthermore, they do have all the facts to work with" funny! So right back atcha baby, as I have no need to defend myself for disagreeing with a P'comer!
Wrong again sweetheart, I never said I had any info. I made my statement
"Facts to work" with yeah right! Try strings attached to their hands, feet and other things! Jeff Dunham should be so talented"
based on the fact that I found your statement, "And furthermore, they do have all the facts to work with" funny! So right back atcha baby, as I have no need to defend myself for disagreeing with a P'comer!
Please show some dignity - I am NOT your sweetheart. I am my husband of 32 years sweetheart and he calls me that all the time.
I don't have the facts as this is a matter that is in litigation and the parties that are in the litigation typically are more intelligent than to try and "try the case" on a silly little public forum. I do know after 32 years in the legal industry that there has to be a very good reason they are vehemently defending this lawsuit - common sense woudl dictate that!
I want the wronged party to be made right, regardless of who it is; however, I will wait and review the official evidence, not what is posted on p.com.
That is why I don't rely on ANYTHING I hear here on this case. I will wait for the case to either be settled and read the settlement agreement or I will wait for the trial and observe and hear the evidence myself.
This post has been edited by Beach Bum: 19 March 2012 - 07:23 AM
Please show some dignity - I am NOT your sweetheart. I am my husband of 32 years sweetheart and he calls me that all the time.
I don't have the facts as this is a matter that is in litigation and the parties that are in the litigation typically are more intelligent than to try and "try the case" on a silly little public forum. I do know after 32 years in the legal industry that there has to be a very good reason they are vehemently defending this lawsuit - common sense woudl dictate that!
I want the wronged party the pay the price; however, I will wait and review the official evidence, not what is posted on p.com.
That is why I don't rely on ANYTHING I hear here on this case. I will wait for the case to either be settled and read the settlement agreement or I will wait for the trial and observe and hear the evidence myself.
If you don't rely on anything here, then why do you come here and discuss anything and if you don't rely on anything here why should I or anyone else engage you? You keep saying 32 years in the legal industry but you never say attorney, so we all know what that means! Well guess what, I have 15 years in the same industry, with a corporate firm that employs over 800 attorneys in Atl, DC, NY, NC, SF, Silicon Valley, Houston, Austin, Dubai,abu dhabi, Riyadh, Geneva, Paris, Frankfurt, Singapore & more. That said, I can tell you, even though I know a lot, I don't know squat and so I am not impressed with any legal knowledge you may or may not have.
Paulding County's BOC don't have facts, they create their own facts.
"The rich alone use imported articles, and on these alone the whole taxes of the General Government are levied. ... Our revenues liberated by the discharge of the public debt, and its surplus applied to canals, roads, schools, etc., the farmer will see his government supported, his children educated, and the face of his country made a paradise by the contributions of the rich alone, without his being called on to spend a cent from his earnings." ~ The Chief Author of our Declaration of Independence
If you don't rely on anything here, then why do you come here and discuss anything and if you don't rely on anything here why should I or anyone else engage you? You keep saying 32 years in the legal industry but you never say attorney, so we all know what that means! Well guess what, I have 15 years in the same industry, with a corporate firm that employs over 800 attorneys in Atl, DC, NY, NC, SF, Silicon Valley, Houston, Austin, Dubai,abu dhabi, Riyadh, Geneva, Paris, Frankfurt, Singapore & more. That said, I can tell you, even though I know a lot, I don't know squat and so I am not impressed with any legal knowledge you may or may not have.
So I guess I can ask the same question of you, right? I don't rely on ANYTHING I read here. Not that it makes any difference but I have worked with some very large firms that are also nationally recognized and have multiple offices with a gazillion attorneys. (I can just imagine what the PMs must look like coming from surepip to yourself). Sometimes you just have to think for yourself.
I can tell you this - if I had a pending civil litigation case in this county, I would not be posting the "one-sided" details of this case on p.com. And since you are "in the industry", you certainly would understand why, right?
The Postman, on 18 March 2012 - 10:22 PM, said:
Paulding County's BOC don't have facts, they create their own facts.
So I guess I can ask the same question of you, right? I don't rely on ANYTHING I read here. Not that it makes any difference but I have worked with some very large firms that are also nationally recognized and have multiple offices with a gazillion attorneys. (I can just imagine what the PMs must look like coming from surepip to yourself). Sometimes you just have to think for yourself.
I can tell you this - if I had a pending civil litigation case in this county, I would not be posting the "one-sided" details of this case on p.com. And since you are "in the industry", you certainly would understand why, right?
Sort of like some here on p.com do, right?
First, Surepip has never PM'd me... second, before today, look and find the date of my last post. I am not sure what it will be but probably not within the last year. And finally, you win, I'm done!
If you don't rely on anything here, then why do you come here and discuss anything and if you don't rely on anything here why should I or anyone else engage you? You keep saying 32 years in the legal industry but you never say attorney, so we all know what that means! Well guess what, I have 15 years in the same industry, with a corporate firm that employs over 800 attorneys in Atl, DC, NY, NC, SF, Silicon Valley, Houston, Austin, Dubai,abu dhabi, Riyadh, Geneva, Paris, Frankfurt, Singapore & more. That said, I can tell you, even though I know a lot, I don't know squat and so I am not impressed with any legal knowledge you may or may not have.
Would that be "LegalZoom.com"??...........
This post has been edited by gonefromhere: 19 March 2012 - 06:45 AM
The website is down.
I am a little confused about the issues, I wish I could access the site so I could understand what is going on.
What I have been told about the airport is that we collect taxes on the planes that are kept there, most are for personal use. We also lease the land to companies that want to build hangers there.
We also make money off of the fuel purchased there.
There was one hanger already there, and one being built, along with 23 planes when the tornado hit.
We were already collecting taxes on what was there and expected an even larger amount of tax revenue when the hangers were completed.
The way I understand it, the FAA funds the construction, we collect the taxes.
The airport will never service the big planes, the runway was not designed for it.
It services things like air ambulances, hobbyist and corporate jets, hopefully from movie executives very soon
I do understand that there are some people that live close to the airport that have issues with being in the zone there.
There was a recent thread about what would you like to see come to Paulding?
My answer, living wage jobs.
As far as I know the county and state are still the number one industries in the county that pay living wage, this would be county employees and the school system.
The IBA and Economic development are coming up with some creative ways to bring industry to the county with little or no cost to the county.
Why, because bedroom communities are a huge drain on taxpayers, that is you and I.
It is not just the building of schools and other county services that cost us, but long term maintenance of these things.
Industries and corporations pay taxes, generally their employees pay taxes because their wages are high enough to pay taxes and keep money circulating in a community.
We probably will see future industrial growth out towards the airport and the area surrounding the new hospital and movie studio.
As far as I know the purpose of these things is to increase tax revenue and take some of the burden off of the homeowner and generally help the entire community by providing ideal locations for corporations that provide higher wage jobs.
It amazes me how people can defend folks that have and are taking money right out of their pocket.
"If heaven ain't a lot like Detroit, I don't wanna go....if they ain't got no 8 Mile like they do up in the D, then send me to hell or Salt Lake City it would be about the same to me." - Uncle Kracker
Anyone that defends King Jerry, or his Followers without actually understanding how much money they have cost this counties residents. I lived in Paulding for five years and it was plan as day how miss-managed this place was, the fact life long residents don't see it is amazing to me. Rising property taxes, clear violation of property rights coupled with declining schools, declining property values, declining jobs, declining services etc. yet folks still act like nothing is wrong. Sorry but free or not building an airport for NO reason, is just flat out stupid and as others have said there is a reason no one else has taken the gov't up on their "free" money. Approving sub after sub after sub without ANY improvement to schools or infrastructure is nothing more then a money grab - ESPECIALLY when you see how connected these fine folks were in the housing industry.
NOW there will be a few folks that say I don't know what I'm talking about. To this I say BULLcheeze. It's all public record - and it isn't hard to add 2+2 and get 4 when it comes to matters like this.
But hell, I'm sure EVERY growing county is sure to have insanely low property value, half built subs as far as the eye can see, no jobs that pay above min. wage or don't involve retail hours, no easy access to the hubs of the county like Hiram and Dallas, schools without text books, and a police force that can't even write up incident reports for traffic accidents....and an airport.
"If heaven ain't a lot like Detroit, I don't wanna go....if they ain't got no 8 Mile like they do up in the D, then send me to hell or Salt Lake City it would be about the same to me." - Uncle Kracker
Anyone that defends King Jerry, or his Followers without actually understanding how much money they have cost this counties residents. I lived in Paulding for five years and it was plan as day how miss-managed this place was, the fact life long residents don't see it is amazing to me. Rising property taxes, clear violation of property rights coupled with declining schools, declining property values, declining jobs, declining services etc. yet folks still act like nothing is wrong. Sorry but free or not building an airport for NO reason, is just flat out stupid and as others have said there is a reason no one else has taken the gov't up on their "free" money. Approving sub after sub after sub without ANY improvement to schools or infrastructure is nothing more then a money grab - ESPECIALLY when you see how connected these fine folks were in the housing industry.
NOW there will be a few folks that say I don't know what I'm talking about. To this I say BULLcheeze. It's all public record - and it isn't hard to add 2+2 and get 4 when it comes to matters like this.
But hell, I'm sure EVERY growing county is sure to have insanely low property value, half built subs as far as the eye can see, no jobs that pay above min. wage or don't involve retail hours, no easy access to the hubs of the county like Hiram and Dallas, schools without text books, and a police force that can't even write up incident reports for traffic accidents....and an airport.
Is that the fix? Anyone that sees things that are obviously wrong should just leave! There's a plan. Surprised the king didn't think of that himself.
Maybe it has improved since I left, but according to folks on this board, and our friends that still live there it hasn't. Thankfully I wrote my last property tax check to PC this year so I don't have to deal with it anymore.
"If heaven ain't a lot like Detroit, I don't wanna go....if they ain't got no 8 Mile like they do up in the D, then send me to hell or Salt Lake City it would be about the same to me." - Uncle Kracker
Anyone that defends King Jerry, or his Followers without actually understanding how much money they have cost this counties residents. I lived in Paulding for five years and it was plan as day how miss-managed this place was, the fact life long residents don't see it is amazing to me. Rising property taxes, clear violation of property rights coupled with declining schools, declining property values, declining jobs, declining services etc. yet folks still act like nothing is wrong. Sorry but free or not building an airport for NO reason, is just flat out stupid and as others have said there is a reason no one else has taken the gov't up on their "free" money. Approving sub after sub after sub without ANY improvement to schools or infrastructure is nothing more then a money grab - ESPECIALLY when you see how connected these fine folks were in the housing industry.
NOW there will be a few folks that say I don't know what I'm talking about. To this I say BULLcheeze. It's all public record - and it isn't hard to add 2+2 and get 4 when it comes to matters like this.
But hell, I'm sure EVERY growing county is sure to have insanely low property value, half built subs as far as the eye can see, no jobs that pay above min. wage or don't involve retail hours, no easy access to the hubs of the county like Hiram and Dallas, schools without text books, and a police force that can't even write up incident reports for traffic accidents....and an airport.
Post of the week, and it's only Monday. Incredibly well-said, sir.
Let me not to the marriage of true minds
Admit impediments. Love is not love
Which alters when it alteration finds,
Or bends with the remover to remove:
O no! it is an ever-fixed mark
That looks on tempests and is never shaken; William Shakespeare, Sonnet 116
Anyone that defends King Jerry, or his Followers without actually understanding how much money they have cost this counties residents. I lived in Paulding for five years and it was plan as day how miss-managed this place was, the fact life long residents don't see it is amazing to me. Rising property taxes, clear violation of property rights coupled with declining schools, declining property values, declining jobs, declining services etc. yet folks still act like nothing is wrong. Sorry but free or not building an airport for NO reason, is just flat out stupid and as others have said there is a reason no one else has taken the gov't up on their "free" money. Approving sub after sub after sub without ANY improvement to schools or infrastructure is nothing more then a money grab - ESPECIALLY when you see how connected these fine folks were in the housing industry.
NOW there will be a few folks that say I don't know what I'm talking about. To this I say BULLcheeze. It's all public record - and it isn't hard to add 2+2 and get 4 when it comes to matters like this.
But hell, I'm sure EVERY growing county is sure to have insanely low property value, half built subs as far as the eye can see, no jobs that pay above min. wage or don't involve retail hours, no easy access to the hubs of the county like Hiram and Dallas, schools without text books, and a police force that can't even write up incident reports for traffic accidents....and an airport.
I am not defending him, what I am doing is explaining the issues that we face now, in the present after the growth. We have to go forward.
I will say this, so that people understand how the airport creates tax revenue.
People that are wealthy enough to own planes, can't park these planes in the backyard, they park them at an airport, the county in which that plane is registered collect Ad valorem tax on those million dollar planes. Companies that serve the planes lease the airport facility and also pay taxes on it's use.
I know a lot of people don't agree with the airport, but it is here and this was the purpose as far as I know.
There is no going backwards.
Thousands of people benefited through employment during the building boom, realtors, banks mortgage companies.
Others benefited from improved roads,schools, and county services. All those retail and restaurants everyone enjoys are here because the people are here.
Now the jobs are gone people are upset, the housing crash was not caused specifically by Paulding county Gov.
Some people get rich, well every industry exist for someone to get rich, they take risk and they work hard to get rich and you know what people make a living because of that.
Do we go back and double tax every individual that made a living from the building boom, even if they are unemployed now?
Do we double the tax on existing homeowners who's property taxes have dropped to meet the obligations of the county?
No! we have to go forward and diversify the tax base or pay it.
What is here is here period.
All the things built during that administration do not dissolve when they leave office.
You can take everything built during that administration, empty it out find a company to lease or buy it and pay off the bonds, but we are legally obligated to provide certain services to the residents of the county.
We can go rent shacks and put county services in them, but we still have to provide the services for the people that have bought property here.
Those services come from taxes, you may not agree with how it is being done and that is fine but recognize that it is done with tax money, it does not matter if the value of your home is 1/2 of what it was kids will still go to school and the public servants have to be paid to serve.
It is all about tax revenue and were it comes from, the people are here and we are obligated to provide service to them.
Whats done is done, the airport is done, moving forward we need planes to park there for the tax revenue that helps with the bonds on the county service buildings and county services.
I am talking about the present not the past.
I am not defending him, what I am doing is explaining the issues that we face now, in the present after the growth. We have to go forward.
I will say this, so that people understand how the airport creates tax revenue.
People that are wealthy enough to own planes, can't park these planes in the backyard, they park them at an airport, the county in which that plane is registered collect Ad valorem tax on those million dollar planes. Companies that serve the planes lease the airport facility and also pay taxes on it's use.
I know a lot of people don't agree with the airport, but it is here and this was the purpose as far as I know.
There is no going backwards.
Thousands of people benefited through employment during the building boom, realtors, banks mortgage companies.
Others benefited from improved roads,schools, and county services. All those retail and restaurants everyone enjoys are here because the people are here.
Now the jobs are gone people are upset, the housing crash was not caused specifically by Paulding county Gov.
Some people get rich, well every industry exist for someone to get rich, they take risk and they work hard to get rich and you know what people make a living because of that.
Do we go back and double tax every individual that made a living from the building boom, even if they are unemployed now?
Do we double the tax on existing homeowners who's property taxes have dropped to meet the obligations of the county?
No! we have to go forward and diversify the tax base or pay it.
What is here is here period.
All the things built during that administration do not dissolve when they leave office.
You can take everything built during that administration, empty it out find a company to lease or buy it and pay off the bonds, but we are legally obligated to provide certain services to the residents of the county.
We can go rent shacks and put county services in them, but we still have to provide the services for the people that have bought property here.
Those services come from taxes, you may not agree with how it is being done and that is fine but recognize that it is done with tax money, it does not matter if the value of your home is 1/2 of what it was kids will still go to school and the public servants have to be paid to serve.
It is all about tax revenue and were it comes from, the people are here and we are obligated to provide service to them.
Whats done is done, the airport is done, moving forward we need planes to park there for the tax revenue that helps with the bonds on the county service buildings and county services.
I am talking about the present not the past.
I only saw one airplane of the 25 that would be worth a million. The Cessna Citation 3 that the hangar fell on and it is registered to a company in Augusta. I'm not sure, but I bet taxes are paid on this baby in Augusta.
I have never been against the airport. And I thought the way the federal money was secured was probably the best thing the former chairman got credit for, although I am pretty sure someone else made it happen.
I do have a problem with a politician and his buddies being told no and then forcing it on the people. And I do agree that the county taxpayers are paying operating costs for a playground for maybe 20 people.
Maybe poker's just not your game Ike. I know! Let's have a spelling contest!
I only saw one airplane of the 25 that would be worth a million. The Cessna Citation 3 that the hangar fell on and it is registered to a company in Augusta. I'm not sure, but I bet taxes are paid on this baby in Augusta.
I have never been against the airport. And I thought the way the federal money was secured was probably the best thing the former chairman got credit for, although I am pretty sure someone else made it happen.
I do have a problem with a politician and his buddies being told no and then forcing it on the people. And I do agree that the county taxpayers are paying operating costs for a playground for maybe 20 people.
I honestly was not paying a lot of attention during the airport issues, I was working elsewhere and didn't have much time to follow things, I understand a lot of people were against it.
The pressure or even assistance to make it a success is were we presently are and going into the future. Things were looking up with a new company coming in there.
I am not sure how many were actually registered here, I can find out. It takes time for people to move to our airport and from what I have found out this is what we need to make it pay for itself. The company that is coming has to get the hanger built before they can move operations here.
It is a slow go, but it is being worked on.
I can't find what the OP was talking about on the website, so I am lost on the issue, but curious all the same.
I know that there are people that live out there that have issues with the airport and their quality of life.
So growing and being successful may not be good news for these folks. I am speaking in general terms about where we are presently with it.
I have some video from last week with Blake updating the current situation, Pubby is going to find it, we had some video and audio issues with it.
I only saw one airplane of the 25 that would be worth a million. The Cessna Citation 3 that the hangar fell on and it is registered to a company in Augusta. I'm not sure, but I bet taxes are paid on this baby in Augusta.
I have never been against the airport. And I thought the way the federal money was secured was probably the best thing the former chairman got credit for, although I am pretty sure someone else made it happen.
I do have a problem with a politician and his buddies being told no and then forcing it on the people. And I do agree that the county taxpayers are paying operating costs for a playground for maybe 20 people.
If its like how many decent size companies with a vehicle fleet operate, I highly doubt any of the planes pay Paulding Cnty taxes and are tagged elsewhere. Example-the old company I use to work for had their trucks tagged in a county out of Indiana but were based here. Paid no Paulding County taxes on the vehicles.
"I already have a guilty conscience, might as well have the money to"
Here is the video from the PBA, we had audio issues when switching systems, it sometimes happens when you go to these meetings with different equipment.
I will be attending another meeting this week and videoing it, we have figured out the technical problems so that one should be clearer.
Is that the fix? Anyone that sees things that are obviously wrong should just leave! There's a plan. Surprised the king didn't think of that himself.
Maybe it has improved since I left, but according to folks on this board, and our friends that still live there it hasn't. Thankfully I wrote my last property tax check to PC this year so I don't have to deal with it anymore.
Just wanted to make sure that I understood that you don't have any paper in this fight any longer.
This post has been edited by gonefromhere: 19 March 2012 - 03:24 PM
Anyone that defends King Jerry, or his Followers without actually understanding how much money they have cost this counties residents. I lived in Paulding for five years and it was plan as day how miss-managed this place was, the fact life long residents don't see it is amazing to me. Rising property taxes, clear violation of property rights coupled with declining schools, declining property values, declining jobs, declining services etc. yet folks still act like nothing is wrong. Sorry but free or not building an airport for NO reason, is just flat out stupid and as others have said there is a reason no one else has taken the gov't up on their "free" money. Approving sub after sub after sub without ANY improvement to schools or infrastructure is nothing more then a money grab - ESPECIALLY when you see how connected these fine folks were in the housing industry.
NOW there will be a few folks that say I don't know what I'm talking about. To this I say BULLcheeze. It's all public record - and it isn't hard to add 2+2 and get 4 when it comes to matters like this.
But hell, I'm sure EVERY growing county is sure to have insanely low property value, half built subs as far as the eye can see, no jobs that pay above min. wage or don't involve retail hours, no easy access to the hubs of the county like Hiram and Dallas, schools without text books, and a police force that can't even write up incident reports for traffic accidents....and an airport.
Apparently most Paulding residents were OK with the furlough days impacting county departments and the closure of libraries on Wednesdays and so many other cuts this fiscal year, since they didn't take any time to speak up at commission meetings against them. But maybe they don't mind those cuts in exchange for millage rates staying put.
Can the county even pay for school improvements? I think the closest they can do is approve the school millage rate sent to them by the school board, and if I'm not mistaken, that stayed put, too. Kim Cobb or someone else that knows about education can better respond to this issue, but I think school improvement monies have to come from the state or federal level.
Apparently most Paulding residents were OK with the furlough days impacting county departments and the closure of libraries on Wednesdays and so many other cuts this fiscal year, since they didn't take any time to speak up at commission meetings against them. But maybe they don't mind those cuts in exchange for millage rates staying put.
Can the county even pay for school improvements? I think the closest they can do is approve the school millage rate sent to them by the school board, and if I'm not mistaken, that stayed put, too. Kim Cobb or someone else that knows about education can better respond to this issue, but I think school improvement monies have to come from the state or federal level.
You are correct in the tax structure being very complicated in the money being sent to the state and given back to us, while on the surface this might seem wrong I can see where it stops public officials from diverting money to a pet project that may not benefit the majority. It also makes sure that money is set aside to serve special purposes that people may not want to fund because it personally does not benefit them.
I was frustrated at first when I realized that our officials couldn't do whatever they wanted with our tax dollars when they saw a need, but later I realized that many things are in place to help keep us the taxpayer from being ripped off.
It is not a perfect system, but I do see the reasoning behind some of it.
The website is down.
I am a little confused about the issues, I wish I could access the site so I could understand what is going on.
What I have been told about the airport is that we collect taxes on the planes that are kept there, most are for personal use. We also lease the land to companies that want to build hangers there.
We also make money off of the fuel purchased there.
There was one hanger already there, and one being built, along with 23 planes when the tornado hit.
We were already collecting taxes on what was there and expected an even larger amount of tax revenue when the hangers were completed.
The way I understand it, the FAA funds the construction, we collect the taxes.
The airport will never service the big planes, the runway was not designed for it.
It services things like air ambulances, hobbyist and corporate jets, hopefully from movie executives very soon
I do understand that there are some people that live close to the airport that have issues with being in the zone there.
There was a recent thread about what would you like to see come to Paulding?
My answer, living wage jobs.
As far as I know the county and state are still the number one industries in the county that pay living wage, this would be county employees and the school system.
The IBA and Economic development are coming up with some creative ways to bring industry to the county with little or no cost to the county.
Why, because bedroom communities are a huge drain on taxpayers, that is you and I.
It is not just the building of schools and other county services that cost us, but long term maintenance of these things.
Industries and corporations pay taxes, generally their employees pay taxes because their wages are high enough to pay taxes and keep money circulating in a community.
We probably will see future industrial growth out towards the airport and the area surrounding the new hospital and movie studio.
As far as I know the purpose of these things is to increase tax revenue and take some of the burden off of the homeowner and generally help the entire community by providing ideal locations for corporations that provide higher wage jobs.
From what I understand a plane's taxes are paid where the plane is registered. One of the commissioners told me very few planes are actually registered in Paulding County. I think the number is around 3 planes registered in Paulding County. $8,000.00 per year sticks in my mind as the revenue generated by planes registered in Paulding County.
Back several years ago when I was watching county budgets closely the airport went about 3 or 4 years running a $1,000,000.00 + budget and operating cost per year. That was before the airport actually opened. Now that we have a terminal building, fueling abilities and a runway... I do not know what the budget is.
I am a true believer in having a tax base that is not dependent on homeowners. But I have always had reservations about the prospects of the airport not being a bottomless pit.
Hopefully someday everyone can tell me I was wrong. Until then I will sit back and watch the red ink flow. At least those who have access to real amounts going out and revenue coming in tell me we have a red ink making machine.
I only saw one airplane of the 25 that would be worth a million. The Cessna Citation 3 that the hangar fell on and it is registered to a company in Augusta. I'm not sure, but I bet taxes are paid on this baby in Augusta.
I have never been against the airport. And I thought the way the federal money was secured was probably the best thing the former chairman got credit for, although I am pretty sure someone else made it happen.
I do have a problem with a politician and his buddies being told no and then forcing it on the people. And I do agree that the county taxpayers are paying operating costs for a playground for maybe 20 people.
Is it true that they do not make payroll, and we as tax payers have to pay their salary.
Anyone that defends King Jerry, or his Followers without actually understanding how much money they have cost this counties residents. I lived in Paulding for five years and it was plan as day how miss-managed this place was, the fact life long residents don't see it is amazing to me. Rising property taxes, clear violation of property rights coupled with declining schools, declining property values, declining jobs, declining services etc. yet folks still act like nothing is wrong. Sorry but free or not building an airport for NO reason, is just flat out stupid and as others have said there is a reason no one else has taken the gov't up on their "free" money. Approving sub after sub after sub without ANY improvement to schools or infrastructure is nothing more then a money grab - ESPECIALLY when you see how connected these fine folks were in the housing industry.
NOW there will be a few folks that say I don't know what I'm talking about. To this I say BULLcheeze. It's all public record - and it isn't hard to add 2+2 and get 4 when it comes to matters like this.
But hell, I'm sure EVERY growing county is sure to have insanely low property value, half built subs as far as the eye can see, no jobs that pay above min. wage or don't involve retail hours, no easy access to the hubs of the county like Hiram and Dallas, schools without text books, and a police force that can't even write up incident reports for traffic accidents....and an airport.
People from here DO see it
This post has been edited by Mariposa: 19 March 2012 - 06:46 PM
Is it true that they do not make payroll, and we as tax payers have to pay their salary.
I would have to see the budget to be absolute, but I think there are three salaries and probably two county vehicles. Not sure how the operating costs for the terminal building are handled. But I seem to remember that this is what we are paying. If this is it, that is really not that big of a deal.
Maybe poker's just not your game Ike. I know! Let's have a spelling contest!
Just wanted to make sure that I understood that you don't have any paper in this fight any longer.
Nope. But I have paid more then my fair share and for the past 3 years I've paid taxes without even having a say in the govt this county seems to enjoy being ruled by. Finally sold my land, thank God.
"If heaven ain't a lot like Detroit, I don't wanna go....if they ain't got no 8 Mile like they do up in the D, then send me to hell or Salt Lake City it would be about the same to me." - Uncle Kracker
cobb transplant, on 18 March 2012 - 08:37 PM, said:
The FAA doesn't have any money. The only way they "pay" for anything is by borrowing money and making the payments by taking money from me. So I want my racetrack now. it'll cost about 10 dollars in paint for new lines drawn on the runway. We can get "seniors 2012" to do the painting for cheap.
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Here is the video from the PBA, we had audio issues when switching systems, it sometimes happens when you go to these meetings with different equipment.
I will be attending another meeting this week and videoing it, we have figured out the technical problems so that one should be clearer.
Wonder how much I am paying this guy to run an airport I don't want.
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cobb transplant, on 18 March 2012 - 08:37 PM, said:
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rely on the one side of the story you have read here on p.com? If so, would you not agree there is always "two sides to every story". I am confident the county has good reasons for continuing to defend this matter.
