I know people who are convicted of crimes are often sent to jail or prison. Taking away their freedom to come and go as they choose, etc. is part of their punishment. I see some picking up trash along the roads so that is part of their punishment? (I didn't know if it was something they were required to do or if they had a choice?)
It is used as community service in a lot of areas.
When you think about what other jobs does society see as demeaning?
^^ I'm not sure that's a complete question. I'm assuming you were asking what other jobs society sees as demeaning?
OH and I just had this discussion the other night - society sees most hard-labor jobs as demeaning (unless and until it becomes beneficial to them...then they love their plumber, septic people, etc.)
Society sees that as demeaning labor, it is often used as a punishment.
Not always.
Some who are community minded see it as an opportunity. Is this program active in Paulding County?
Adopt a Highway
The Adopt-a-Highway program, also known as Sponsor-a-Highway (but see distinction below), is a promotional campaign undertaken by U.S. states, Provinces and Territories of Canada, and national governments outside North America to encourage volunteers to keep a section of a highway free from litter. In exchange for regular litter removal, an organization (such as Cub Scouts or Knights of Columbus) is allowed to have its name posted on a sign in the section of the highways they maintain.
The program originated in the 1980s when James Evans, an engineer for the Texas Department of Transportation, saw debris flying out of a pickup truck bed. Litter cleanup by the city was expensive, so Evans sought the help of local groups to sponsor the cleaning of sections of the highway. The efforts of Billy Black, a public information officer, led to quarterly cleanup cycles, volunteer safety training, the issuing of reflective vests and equipment, and the posting of adopt-a-highway signs.
In 1985, the Tyler Civitan Club became the first group to volunteer, adopting two miles along US Route 69 just north of Loop 323 between Tyler and Interstate 20. The program proved to be very successful and has since spread to 49 states, Puerto Rico, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, and Japan.Some states, such as Nevada, allow both Adopt-a-Highway and Sponsor-a-Highway programs. In both programs, an organization that contributes to the cleanup is allowed to post its name.
Georgia’s Adopt-A-Highway Program enlists citizen volunteers' help to remove litter from state roadsides. While saving taxpayer dollars, the program provides recognition for participating companies and organizations, brings the environmental and monetary costs of littering into public awareness, and promotes civic responsibility and pride. The volunteers of the Adopt-A-Highway program serve as visible reminders to the public that we are all stewards of the land.
This whole thread makes me sick. I don't know which is worse--the girl knowingly and willingly taking advantage of the system, or having a system so messed up that it allows nonsense like this to happen in the first place!
Karma is a *****!! One day she will really need the help, and won't be able to get it!
A closed mouth gathers no feet.
Life is what happens to you while you are planning to do something else.
The United States, which had the highest gross domestic product per capita, came in at No. 16 for overall well-being and No. 26 for enjoyment, referred to as positive feelings. The No. 1 spot for overall well-being went to Denmark, and New Zealand landed the No. 1 slot for positive feelings. [Happiest States Revealed]
According to an article in the AJC this afternoon, the Michigan Dept. of Human Services cut her food stamps. She is no longer getting them. However her Mommy defended her and said that she didn't do anything wrong.
"The rich alone use imported articles, and on these alone the whole taxes of the General Government are levied. ... Our revenues liberated by the discharge of the public debt, and its surplus applied to canals, roads, schools, etc., the farmer will see his government supported, his children educated, and the face of his country made a paradise by the contributions of the rich alone, without his being called on to spend a cent from his earnings." ~ The Chief Author of our Declaration of Independence
I'll watch anything with Mike Rowe in it. Actually, I think I've seen this one...I'll check it out when I get home. I love his defense of blue-collar workers.
Let me not to the marriage of true minds
Admit impediments. Love is not love
Which alters when it alteration finds,
Or bends with the remover to remove:
O no! it is an ever-fixed mark
That looks on tempests and is never shaken; William Shakespeare, Sonnet 116
Considering the $$$ amount involved, I could care less.. I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH CORPORATE WELFARE to the tune of billions......Especially when Fortune 500 companies pay less taxes than you and I... Bash away...
Thank you. It's good to encourage beauty and goodness from the inside---in ourselves and others.
SusieQ404, on 08 March 2012 - 01:53 PM, said:
According to an article in the AJC this afternoon, the Michigan Dept. of Human Services cut her food stamps. She is no longer getting them. However her Mommy defended her and said that she didn't do anything wrong.
What about all those employees and shareholders who pay taxes on their earnings and wages? Does it magically come out of the sky or are those taxes paid FROM those wages and earnings which come from those Fortune 500 companies?
winston1972, on 08 March 2012 - 02:50 PM, said:
Considering the $$$ amount involved, I could care less.. I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH CORPORATE WELFARE to the tune of billions......Especially when Fortune 500 companies pay less taxes than you and I... Bash away...
See, no one in the South ever asks if you have crazy people in your family. They just ask which side they're on. -- Julia Sugarbaker
In loving memory of Mason (December 1, 2001 to December 9, 2001) and Ashley Jr. (December 1, 2001 to December 2, 2001)
Never ceases to amaze me at how people think that those who receive government assistance are ALL lazy and unproductive people. Or how people think that if you receive government assistance you should have NO extras like lottery tickets, nights out or anything else. C'mon, realize that these people who receive assistance are people just like you. Yes, there are those who cheat the system but that has been done for decades.
Case in point: I know of a family who is receiving Medicaid for the kids in spite of the fact that while the family "income" (from wages) is minimal, and at times zero, they are FAR, far from destitute and in fact live in a beautiful McMansion which is paid for and none of them will ever have to worry about money.
Now, take my daughter and SIL. They live in a house my hubby and I own and I pay the utilities. Neither of them work. She is a full time mom to their two little ones, both under 4. He had been driving a taxi but in spite of working 16 hour days 7 days a week, they were unable to pay for car insurance and a tag so they sold their car and he quit the job because he was afraid the stress was going to kill him. They have ZERO income. Zilch. Nada. Yet, the idiots at DFCS claim they made too much money to qualify for Medicaid and not enough for the kids to be on PeachCare. They have been waging this battle with DFCS since the youngest one was born and she turned 2 at the end of January. The older daughter is old enough for Pre-K in the fall but she needs one more immunization which they have no money to pay for and the DFCS idiots can't seem to understand that ZERO income means ZERO income. My daughter said she really hates to say it but she is beginning to think that because she is a native born white American she can't get the assistance they desperately need.
Is someone getting a job to pay for the needed immunization completely out of the question?
You know someone who is HIRING? I mean other than the 400 places my SIL has already applied to. His background is construction. Actually, construction "adjacent" (asphalt paving). BTW, TC, my SIL walks an hour to the library to check the want ads and submit applications, as well as hitting all the places he can THREE TIMES a week. He's out there trying to get a job. My daughter has put in a few applications as well. The best they have gotten since he's been out of a job is "maybe". That maybe turned into a no when the company set a hiring and pay freeze. It wasn't much of a job, but it was a job and it was close enough that he could walk. Oh, and he was walking 7 miles each way to work and then standing on his feet for 10 hours a day at work before he took the job driving a taxi. It's not like they aren't TRYING. They are. I give them credit for that.
Because my daughter is home with the girls, neither has been plagued by colds, ear infections, head lice, etc that seem to go along with being in daycare. Plus by not putting them in daycare, that's approximately $200 a week they don't need to make.
TabbyCat, on 08 March 2012 - 07:35 PM, said:
Is someone getting a job to pay for the needed immunization completely out of the question?
See, no one in the South ever asks if you have crazy people in your family. They just ask which side they're on. -- Julia Sugarbaker
In loving memory of Mason (December 1, 2001 to December 9, 2001) and Ashley Jr. (December 1, 2001 to December 2, 2001)
You know someone who is HIRING? I mean other than the 400 places my SIL has already applied to. His background is construction. Actually, construction "adjacent" (asphalt paving). BTW, TC, my SIL walks an hour to the library to check the want ads and submit applications, as well as hitting all the places he can THREE TIMES a week. He's out there trying to get a job. My daughter has put in a few applications as well. The best they have gotten since he's been out of a job is "maybe". That maybe turned into a no when the company set a hiring and pay freeze. It wasn't much of a job, but it was a job and it was close enough that he could walk. Oh, and he was walking 7 miles each way to work and then standing on his feet for 10 hours a day at work before he took the job driving a taxi. It's not like they aren't TRYING. They are. I give them credit for that.
Because my daughter is home with the girls, neither has been plagued by colds, ear infections, head lice, etc that seem to go along with being in daycare. Plus by not putting them in daycare, that's approximately $200 a week they don't need to make.
I'm sorry they are having such a struggle with finding jobs they are qualified for. It's great that they have you to carry them through while they struggle to find employers who will appreciate their marketable skills.
I think it is interesting to hear the first hand accounts of how the system is working.
The one thing that really struck me about the interview was when she said I still have bills to pay.
So it made me wonder if this women has ever worked a job that pays the bills. It sounded as though someone else paid the bill and she could not imagine her money going to pay bills.
This could honestly be the truth, she could have worked and had her bills paid, she may have lived in section 8 all her life where the owner of the home makes a profit when the Gov, sends him a check for the rent.
She may have had utility assistance where the utility company made a profit when the GOV paid her utilities. She received foodstamps so the local grocery store made a profit when she shopped their. Her and the kids were probably on medicaid, the doctors, nurses, and pharmacy made a profit when they sent claims to the Gov..
She may have had a part time job and the local daycare made a profit when they billed the state for care.
All of her small income may have been disposable as in buying clothes, beer or any other geegaw she wanted creating profit for these stores and even a local fastfood place on occasion. She may have even had a prepaid cell phone that AT&T got paid by the government for.
She may have never held a job that paid enough to cover bills, so she sees money as something you consume with.
Of course she probably never was profitable to a car dealer or insurance agent but yet she was a profitable human being to her entire community over the years.
The real world is supposed to work differently, when you can't rent a 800 square ft house on the open market for $1200 you have to drop the rent, rather than have the government pay it. Same goes for everything on that list. When people can't pay it and the option is going without then the price comes down and you end up with nothing.
The Government provides incentives for low wages and encourages raising the cost of living.
We the taxpayers are on the hook, the system discourages people from working to keep many industries profitable.
As someone said is the low income earner the bad person, yes to some, but to others they are a good payday every month as long as they live.
It would seem that some industries would like to make sure their is always a steady supply of them.
I see this as a societal issue, when we begin to care that people are serving a purpose living this way, we become more concerned that we make changes to the big picture. This looks less and less like lazy unmotivated people to me, it looks like a plan.
I've even given him job leads to no avail. It's just a really tough time to be job hunting. He had a job that he liked pretty well but had a chance to take a better one. He left the old one to take the better job. After three weeks that "better job" closed the doors and he was left unemployed, for almost a year. He eventually went back to the other job but it wasn't fast. He left that to drive the taxi. In the beginning that WAS a better job but then summer hit and for some reason, ridership dropped dramatically and NONE of the drivers were making a living. It never picked up after fall. He was losing money and many weeks he didn't make enough to pay for the taxi and gas much less have enough left for the bills. He finally gave up on it because he was getting deeper and deeper in debt. He isn't giving up this time!!
TabbyCat, on 08 March 2012 - 08:18 PM, said:
I'm sorry they are having such a struggle with finding jobs they are qualified for. It's great that they have you to carry them through while they struggle to find employers who will appreciate their marketable skills.
See, no one in the South ever asks if you have crazy people in your family. They just ask which side they're on. -- Julia Sugarbaker
In loving memory of Mason (December 1, 2001 to December 9, 2001) and Ashley Jr. (December 1, 2001 to December 2, 2001)
You know someone who is HIRING? I mean other than the 400 places my SIL has already applied to. His background is construction. Actually, construction "adjacent" (asphalt paving). BTW, TC, my SIL walks an hour to the library to check the want ads and submit applications, as well as hitting all the places he can THREE TIMES a week. He's out there trying to get a job. My daughter has put in a few applications as well. The best they have gotten since he's been out of a job is "maybe". That maybe turned into a no when the company set a hiring and pay freeze. It wasn't much of a job, but it was a job and it was close enough that he could walk. Oh, and he was walking 7 miles each way to work and then standing on his feet for 10 hours a day at work before he took the job driving a taxi. It's not like they aren't TRYING. They are. I give them credit for that.
Because my daughter is home with the girls, neither has been plagued by colds, ear infections, head lice, etc that seem to go along with being in daycare. Plus by not putting them in daycare, that's approximately $200 a week they don't need to make.
Would your daughter be able to care for one or two other children and earn an income from that?
What about some groups for someone out of work that provide emotional support, ideas, etc.? They all probably have skills and talents they take for granted that someone else might be able to see. Books from the library could provide some insight into ideas about how others have been successful in changing fields, making things to sell, etc. A little hope can be a great springboard ...
Quite honestly, my daughter doesn't want to take care of other children. She wants to spend as much one-on-one time with her two as she possibly can. Her children are the most precious things to her. She does not want to miss a minute with them. She waited 7 years for Starr and then almost lost her twice. She almost lost Dru once and in fact, thought she had.
They live within walking distance to Sweetwater CAMP and have checked there for networking. Not sure if they found anything of help or not.
My daughter is making and attempting to sell crafts. She's quite creative.
ButterflyLion, on 08 March 2012 - 09:08 PM, said:
Would your daughter be able to care for one or two other children and earn an income from that?
What about some groups for someone out of work that provide emotional support, ideas, etc.? They all probably have skills and talents they take for granted that someone else might be able to see. Books from the library could provide some insight into ideas about how others have been successful in changing fields, making things to sell, etc. A little hope can be a great springboard ...
See, no one in the South ever asks if you have crazy people in your family. They just ask which side they're on. -- Julia Sugarbaker
In loving memory of Mason (December 1, 2001 to December 9, 2001) and Ashley Jr. (December 1, 2001 to December 2, 2001)
Quite honestly, my daughter doesn't want to take care of other children. She wants to spend as much one-on-one time with her two as she possibly can. Her children are the most precious things to her. She does not want to miss a minute with them. She waited 7 years for Starr and then almost lost her twice. She almost lost Dru once and in fact, thought she had.
They live within walking distance to Sweetwater CAMP and have checked there for networking. Not sure if they found anything of help or not.
My daughter is making and attempting to sell crafts. She's quite creative.
I'm guessing there are lots and lots of young moms who would like to "spend as much one-on-one time with" their kids as they can as well, but who realize that they also need to FEED and CLOTHE and take those kids to the Dr. when needed and so, like it or not, work full-time jobs to support the children they brought into this world instead of spending 2 years trying to get the government (through DFCS) to support their kids.
Actually, until he lost his job at Huddle House, they WERE supporting them. That is about the time she got pregnant with Dru. When we was working doing paving, they were doing better than me. He was making lots of money. Times were good.
And she isn't trying to get the government to support their kids. She is trying to get Medicaid to help pay for their health care. Apply for one insurance and are told you make too much to qualify and apply for another and told you don't make enough. Can't afford to buy health insurance through an employer because they still have to pay bills.
There are also things going on which I won't discuss which prevent my daughter from working.
TabbyCat, on 08 March 2012 - 10:10 PM, said:
I'm guessing there are lots and lots of young moms who would like to "spend as much one-on-one time with" their kids as they can as well, but who realize that they also need to FEED and CLOTHE and take those kids to the Dr. when needed and so, like it or not, work full-time jobs to support the children they brought into this world instead of spending 2 years trying to get the government (through DFCS) to support their kids.
Just sayin.'
See, no one in the South ever asks if you have crazy people in your family. They just ask which side they're on. -- Julia Sugarbaker
In loving memory of Mason (December 1, 2001 to December 9, 2001) and Ashley Jr. (December 1, 2001 to December 2, 2001)
Actually, until he lost his job at Huddle House, they WERE supporting them. That is about the time she got pregnant with Dru. When we was working doing paving, they were doing better than me. He was making lots of money. Times were good.
And she isn't trying to get the government to support their kids. She is trying to get Medicaid to help pay for their health care. Apply for one insurance and are told you make too much to qualify and apply for another and told you don't make enough. Can't afford to buy health insurance through an employer because they still have to pay bills.
There are also things going on which I won't discuss which prevent my daughter from working.
I respect that. I hope they can get whatever they need to take care of their kids. I hope for your SIL, it's a good, stable job. Because in order to buy insurance through an employer, one first must be employed.
This post has been edited by TabbyCat: 08 March 2012 - 10:49 PM
That makes two of us. He has really struggled, both financially and emotionally, since the economy tanked in 2008. He was making GREAT money when housing was booming. He loved his job operating road building equipment and not because the money was good. He had done that since he was old enough to climb on the machinery (his dad owned a paving company).
TabbyCat, on 08 March 2012 - 10:41 PM, said:
I respect that. I hope they can get whatever they need to take care of their kids. I hope for your SIL, it's a good, stable job.
See, no one in the South ever asks if you have crazy people in your family. They just ask which side they're on. -- Julia Sugarbaker
In loving memory of Mason (December 1, 2001 to December 9, 2001) and Ashley Jr. (December 1, 2001 to December 2, 2001)
Quite honestly, my daughter doesn't want to take care of other children. She wants to spend as much one-on-one time with her two as she possibly can. Her children are the most precious things to her. She does not want to miss a minute with them. She waited 7 years for Starr and then almost lost her twice. She almost lost Dru once and in fact, thought she had.
I thought it might be something to do to bring in some income while her husband was unemployed. He could help, too. It was just an idea.
I'll watch anything with Mike Rowe in it. Actually, I think I've seen this one...I'll check it out when I get home. I love his defense of blue-collar workers.
Who is John Galt?"The government was set to protect man from criminals, and the Constitution was written to protect man from the government." -Ayn Rand
My point is the importance of the liberal arts education is that it teaches that the life style of the materialistic consumer is limited in its satisfactions.
Pubby
LGM, on 08 March 2012 - 12:43 PM, said:
I agree, but don't at the same time. For me, personally, that's exactly what my liberal arts education has taught me (so far....I'm a junior, so I still have a ways to go).
I thought children would be taught that starting at a much younger age---long before college.
Are children being taught that material things have a limited value and that they do not replace the things in life that cannot be bought: love, laughter, health, etc.?
Lottery Winner Who Took Food Stamps Facing Charges
LINCOLN PARK, Mich. -- A Michigan woman who continued to get food stamps after winning a $1 million lottery jackpot has been charged with welfare fraud.
The Michigan attorney general's office announced two felony charges Tuesday against 25-year-old Amanda Clayton of Lincoln Park. She was arrested Monday and was expected to be arraigned Tuesday in Lincoln Park's 25th District Court.
The charges are punishable by up to four years in prison.
Happy Wife And Mom, on 17 April 2012 - 10:52 AM, said:
Lottery Winner Who Took Food Stamps Facing Charges
LINCOLN PARK, Mich. -- A Michigan woman who continued to get food stamps after winning a $1 million lottery jackpot has been charged with welfare fraud.
The Michigan attorney general's office announced two felony charges Tuesday against 25-year-old Amanda Clayton of Lincoln Park. She was arrested Monday and was expected to be arraigned Tuesday in Lincoln Park's 25th District Court.
The charges are punishable by up to four years in prison.
And now you know the real reason you shouldn't seek to continue collecting foodstamps after your win the lottery. That reason?
Inevitably the criminal justice system is going to peg you as a target and seek to remove as much of your winnings as they can through prosecution and defense wrangling. To suggest that attorney's are not motivated by the same instincts as the car salesman who spies a person walking on a car lot with a wad of $100 bills rolled in his pocket is to be naive. Said a little differently ... they saw her coming and now at least $50,000 if not $150,000 of her million is now going to disappear.
A woman who admitted to receiving food stamps after winning $1 million on a Michigan state lotto game show was found dead today.
The circumstances surrounding Amanda Clayton's death were not immediately released by police, but ABC News' Detroit affiliate WXYZ-TV reported that sources within the police department said they suspect the woman died of an overdose.
An autopsy is pending on Clayton's body, which was found at a home in Ecorse, Mich., police said.
A woman who admitted to receiving food stamps after winning $1 million on a Michigan state lotto game show was found dead today.
The circumstances surrounding Amanda Clayton's death were not immediately released by police, but ABC News' Detroit affiliate WXYZ-TV reported that sources within the police department said they suspect the woman died of an overdose.
An autopsy is pending on Clayton's body, which was found at a home in Ecorse, Mich., police said.
This whole thread makes me sick. I don't know which is worse--the girl knowingly and willingly taking advantage of the system, or having a system so messed up that it allows nonsense like this to happen in the first place!
Karma is a *****!! One day she will really need the help, and won't be able to get it!
Is she the 25 year old that they just found dead from a drug overdose?
Help
ButterflyLion, on 08 March 2012 - 12:59 PM, said:
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I'm assuming you were asking what other jobs society sees as demeaning? 
Actually, I think I've seen this one...I'll check it out when I get home. I love his defense of blue-collar workers.
