Paulding.com: Advice, student being picked on by others - Paulding.com

Jump to content

Recent Topics Recent Topics
  • 2 Pages +
  • 1
  • 2
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

Advice, student being picked on by others

#1 User is offline   CRAZMOM95 

  • Paulding Com member
  • PipPipPipPip
  • Group: +Member plus
  • Posts: 82
  • Joined: 22-April 09

Posted 07 March 2012 - 12:56 PM

My child is in high school and in a class many of the students have various issues, ADHD etc. Usually gets really good grades and tries to work hard. So when others try to purposely aggravate and use pestering ways, even name calling it is enough to throw off the ability of anyone to stay focused. The real trouble is, the same individuals nit pick and call him names and make faces behind the teacher's view, and hassle him because he interjects (with the teachers approval) when giving a lesson.

The teacher told me several times, that she thought he could be a good example to the other students who don't work as hard and don't seem interested in the class. The students think he is a know it all... There have been times when my child was caught in an argument and eventually took the majority if not all of the blame. I am feeling a bit helpless here as I watch the grade begin to slip in this class.

This post has been edited by CRAZMOM95: 07 March 2012 - 12:58 PM

0

#2 User is offline   Magic Mommy 

  • Paulding Com member
  • PipPipPipPip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 687
  • Joined: 17-April 11

Posted 07 March 2012 - 02:04 PM

...


This post has been edited by Magic Mommy: 08 March 2012 - 07:18 AM

0

#3 User is offline   Jet_man1969 

  • Super Icon
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 8,101
  • Joined: 20-May 07

Posted 07 March 2012 - 02:09 PM

I would thank my child for informing me of the problem and march my ass up to the school to let everyone there know that if they don't get a handle on the unruly students that I was going to let my child open a can of whoop ass on the bully and That while he may get in trouble in school for it he/she would not receive any punishment at home. If the adults won't do their jobs and address the problem after being informed then they he/she does.
3

#4 User is offline   Lady Raider 

  • Super Icon
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: +MPS extra
  • Posts: 74,712
  • Joined: 18-April 04

Posted 07 March 2012 - 02:40 PM

hmmm.... so the teacher is leaving it up to the student to make a good example? and were does she come in at?
"The most dangerous place in the world to be is "Between a Mother and her Child"

Posted Image


In Loving Memory of My Daddy and Mama
3-29-08
and 10-24-2012


*say what you mean, and mean what you say*
1

#5 User is offline   CRAZMOM95 

  • Paulding Com member
  • PipPipPipPip
  • Group: +Member plus
  • Posts: 82
  • Joined: 22-April 09

Posted 07 March 2012 - 02:50 PM

View PostLady Raider, on 07 March 2012 - 02:40 PM, said:

hmmm.... so the teacher is leaving it up to the student to make a good example? and were does she come in at?



Kind of wondering that myself. My child is really frustrated and and the more frustrated he becomes... the more that is said and done behind the teachers back. One of them already jumped his case about getting a parent involved and said he would tell everyone things about him. Like an earlier reply stated there is a big world out there and I keep saying, they are just trying to get a rise out of him and he needs to keep working and ignore them. As a parent you want to jump in the middle but at this point, they really would make things more difficult for him... especially if the teacher does not see it occuring. Any ideas?
0

#6 User is offline   Lady Raider 

  • Super Icon
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: +MPS extra
  • Posts: 74,712
  • Joined: 18-April 04

Posted 07 March 2012 - 03:03 PM

Maybe you as the parent needs to talk to the teacher and ask her to kind of keep an eye on the kids... i know the teacher is not there to babysit but if it is disrupting the class then she could watch them for a while or maybe give them a warning that it needs to stop or the ycan go sit in the office during her class time.

if all else fells there is always Jet_man1969 suggestion :pardon:
"The most dangerous place in the world to be is "Between a Mother and her Child"

Posted Image


In Loving Memory of My Daddy and Mama
3-29-08
and 10-24-2012


*say what you mean, and mean what you say*
0

#7 User is offline   George W. Bush 

  • Icon
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 1,326
  • Joined: 15-July 06

Posted 07 March 2012 - 03:22 PM

The school will probably wait until a fight erupts, then expel them both.
"I think we agree, the past is over."
George W. Bush
0

#8 User is offline   2busy4? 

  • Icon
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: +Member plus
  • Posts: 1,063
  • Joined: 11-July 05

Posted 07 March 2012 - 03:33 PM

View PostAngel Eyes, on 07 March 2012 - 03:22 PM, said:

The school will probably wait until a fight erupts, then expel them both.


Sad, but true...

I also agree with Jetman. We have told our kids that they won't be in trouble at home as long as they didn't start it.
Keep your heart pure, your mind open, and your gun loaded.

-- Hetty, NCIS LA



I have 452 Facebook Friends... I know some of them.

-- One of My FB friends (I know this one!!!)
0

#9 User is offline   i_have3dogs 

  • Super Icon
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: +Member plus
  • Posts: 9,513
  • Joined: 18-June 06

Posted 07 March 2012 - 03:37 PM

A couple I once knew had a child who picked on often, the oldest brother kicked the living snot out of his tormentors. The same kid would also kick the snot out of any other kids who picked on other kids.... for a fee.
I fantasize about my dogs having jobs. I pretend that both of them are window cleaners and their kennel is their first starter home. I think the bigger dog is trying to bump off the smaller dog so he can have the kennel to himself. I know I have a problem, but don't animals have to earn a living too?

Dogs may not be our whole lives, but they make our lives whole.

A dog is not "almost human" and I know of no greater insult to the canine race than to describe it as such.

The more I see of humans, the more I admire dogs.

He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life, his love, his leader.
He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion.

The dog is a gentleman, I hope to go to his heaven, not man's.
0

#10 User is offline   mrnn 

  • Super Icon
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: +Member plus
  • Posts: 7,220
  • Joined: 06-August 07

Posted 07 March 2012 - 04:44 PM

Can he not be moved out of this class?


mrnn
"Republicans have been fleeced, exploited, and lied to by the conservative entertainment complex" -- David Frum, Former Bush Speechwriter and directer of Republican Jewish Coalition


Paulding County...proudly the 19th most conservative county in the entire

country. This means that I'm not a liberal; it means you're an extremist.
0

#11 User is offline   CRAZMOM95 

  • Paulding Com member
  • PipPipPipPip
  • Group: +Member plus
  • Posts: 82
  • Joined: 22-April 09

Posted 07 March 2012 - 04:54 PM

View Postmrnn, on 07 March 2012 - 04:44 PM, said:

Can he not be moved out of this class?


mrnn


It's nearing the end of the year, it would be really tough to get started with a new class and the other classes may not be covering the same material. The sad thing is, they have had classes over the years and this year some of them are trouble makers. Plus as a bystander told me, they are trying to sound and look cool, because they struggle with their grades..

It's not fair, I know you can't stop what you don't see, but when I was in school, teachers didn't allow all the extra talking. They took control of their classes and the administrator demanded better from the students.
0

#12 User is offline   mrnn 

  • Super Icon
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: +Member plus
  • Posts: 7,220
  • Joined: 06-August 07

Posted 07 March 2012 - 05:06 PM

View PostCRAZMOM95, on 07 March 2012 - 04:54 PM, said:

It's nearing the end of the year, it would be really tough to get started with a new class and the other classes may not be covering the same material. The sad thing is, they have had classes over the years and this year some of them are trouble makers. Plus as a bystander told me, they are trying to sound and look cool, because they struggle with their grades..

It's not fair, I know you can't stop what you don't see, but when I was in school, teachers didn't allow all the extra talking. They took control of their classes and the administrator demanded better from the students.



If it were my kid, I would still look at getting him moved. I know what you're saying with class material and such but our main job as parents is to raise adults. Having him sit in a class where he is constantly harassed and the authority figure does nothing about it, it's just not fair to his development. I'd rather have him come home with a C in a new class that he doesn't get bullied in than have him come home with an A but dreading another day of school. Grades are important but you and I both know that there are situations where a grade isn't everything....this may be one of those situations.


mrnn
"Republicans have been fleeced, exploited, and lied to by the conservative entertainment complex" -- David Frum, Former Bush Speechwriter and directer of Republican Jewish Coalition


Paulding County...proudly the 19th most conservative county in the entire

country. This means that I'm not a liberal; it means you're an extremist.
1

#13 User is offline   katcol 

  • Icon
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: +Member plus pink
  • Posts: 2,805
  • Joined: 17-May 05

Posted 07 March 2012 - 08:00 PM

So much for the no-tolerance stance on bullying. I might discuss this more with the teacher or possibly the councelor. Do councelors even deal with anything other than career paths anymore?
Posted Image
0

#14 User is offline   CRAZMOM95 

  • Paulding Com member
  • PipPipPipPip
  • Group: +Member plus
  • Posts: 82
  • Joined: 22-April 09

Posted 07 March 2012 - 08:55 PM

View Postkatcol, on 07 March 2012 - 08:00 PM, said:

So much for the no-tolerance stance on bullying. I might discuss this more with the teacher or possibly the councelor. Do councelors even deal with anything other than career paths anymore?



Don't even get me started about the coulselors/advisors.
He sits there while she talks, if she is even in the room. My son actually wants to have a career~ go figure...

I did ask for advice from someone near the situation, in other words she is not in the room but can hopefully find out some more details for me and possibly help out.

We will see!
0

#15 User is offline   katcol 

  • Icon
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: +Member plus pink
  • Posts: 2,805
  • Joined: 17-May 05

Posted 07 March 2012 - 09:03 PM

Stay on it, Crazymom. Glad to hear you're supporting him.
Posted Image
0

#16 User is offline   Dallas_Res 

  • Advanced Member
  • PipPipPip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 27
  • Joined: 29-July 04

Posted 07 March 2012 - 09:44 PM

Not really sure what classes he has or what his interest is in but I can offer up this advice. I don't recall what year you said about what year he is. However tell him to keep up his grades and focus on the important goals. The words they use to spread hatred and display their own weakness. If he keeps his grades up and rises above the people/groups around him there is usually a payoff in return, for example I can appreciate his efforts to avoid the scenarios. I had an issue with my daughter and had to re arrange her class schedule in a manner that she would leave her old friends in those classes and have the same teachers just with different classes. Not sure if that will solve the problem.
If this does not work tell him I work at the link I attached below. If his grades are good enough and he graduates then you can send me his resume and this will give him a slight chance. I am not promising him a job but I can at least get him a phone screen and it is up to him to sell himself at the phone screen and then in person interview. I am not sure if his interest is in this direction, if so then we can offer him an incentive to keep his head down and do a lot of self study to help his own situation.
If you have any questions about the positions we have open or benefits please message me directly and I am sure I can answer your questions.
Some times it is merely needing a goal to shoot for or a light at the end of the tunnel.
Thanks.

http://www.google.co...douglas-county/

What type of field is he interested in? What career is he looking to get into?
0

#17 User is offline   overit 

  • Icon
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: +Member plus
  • Posts: 2,806
  • Joined: 10-February 06

Posted 07 March 2012 - 09:59 PM

My advice is to move the child. But I would be reaming the teacher's ass for taking the approach she/he is. :pardon:
1

#18 User is offline   CrabbyDaddy 

  • Icon
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 1,101
  • Joined: 13-June 11

Posted 07 March 2012 - 10:13 PM

View Postkatcol, on 07 March 2012 - 08:00 PM, said:

So much for the no-tolerance stance on bullying. I might discuss this more with the teacher or possibly the councelor. Do councelors even deal with anything other than career paths anymore?

Their get out "jail" free card is all those stupid bullying posters they put around the school. Every 5' in the middle school. Just trying to get out of a liability IMO.
>~{••}~<
0

#19 User is offline   CRAZMOM95 

  • Paulding Com member
  • PipPipPipPip
  • Group: +Member plus
  • Posts: 82
  • Joined: 22-April 09

Posted 07 March 2012 - 10:20 PM

View PostDallas_Res, on 07 March 2012 - 09:44 PM, said:

Not really sure what classes he has or what his interest is in but I can offer up this advice. I don't recall what year you said about what year he is. However tell him to keep up his grades and focus on the important goals. The words they use to spread hatred and display their own weakness. If he keeps his grades up and rises above the people/groups around him there is usually a payoff in return, for example I can appreciate his efforts to avoid the scenarios. I had an issue with my daughter and had to re arrange her class schedule in a manner that she would leave her old friends in those classes and have the same teachers just with different classes. Not sure if that will solve the problem.
If this does not work tell him I work at the link I attached below. If his grades are good enough and he graduates then you can send me his resume and this will give him a slight chance. I am not promising him a job but I can at least get him a phone screen and it is up to him to sell himself at the phone screen and then in person interview. I am not sure if his interest is in this direction, if so then we can offer him an incentive to keep his head down and do a lot of self study to help his own situation.
If you have any questions about the positions we have open or benefits please message me directly and I am sure I can answer your questions.
Some times it is merely needing a goal to shoot for or a light at the end of the tunnel.
Thanks.

http://www.google.co...douglas-county/

What type of field is he interested in? What career is he looking to get into?




Thanks for your inspiring message regarding my son, he is a Sophmore. He is anxious to work in a creative field such as annimation or special effects one day.. and I believe he will!! Your words were very kind! I will keep your post in mind, he may just look you up someday :)

View Postkatcol, on 07 March 2012 - 09:03 PM, said:

Stay on it, Crazymom. Glad to hear you're supporting him.


Thanks Katcol!! I will do my best!!

This post has been edited by CRAZMOM95: 07 March 2012 - 10:22 PM

0

#20 User is offline   cherokeewoman 

  • Icon
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 3,585
  • Joined: 28-October 03

Posted 08 March 2012 - 01:59 AM

I doubt if the school system will do anything... The have literature on a hard stance on bullying, but let a grammar school kid get hit in the hallway and they do nothing..... the teacher did not see it ? Why was the teacher not watching the kids?
The school it seems stands up for some kids, others don't matter... I guess you have to be in the chosen few. It could all be in the perception of the teacher///
0

#21 User is offline   fishnthec 

  • Icon
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 4,221
  • Joined: 12-October 04

Posted 08 March 2012 - 04:16 AM

Counselors have no timt to counsel anymore. Their jobs have become all about career paths and standardized testing. It is pretty sad that they can't do what they went to school for.
As for the bullying, if a teacher has seen or heard this bullying then the school has no excuse not to follow their no tolerance policy. However, if it is just one child's word against the other it becomes very difficult to do anything. If the bullies are pulled in and talked to then that can make the bullying worse. If the teacher sees it though, the kid being bullied should not even be involved.

In my experience though, very little will be done with bullying in high school. I agree with the people who said that you have to continue to talk to your kid. It really stinks but that is the way it is.
0

#22 User is offline   gonefromhere 

  • Super Icon
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 7,638
  • Joined: 01-December 07

Posted 08 March 2012 - 08:09 AM

View PostJet_man1969, on 07 March 2012 - 02:09 PM, said:

I would thank my child for informing me of the problem and march my ass up to the school to let everyone there know that if they don't get a handle on the unruly students that I was going to let my child open a can of whoop ass on the bully and That while he may get in trouble in school for it he/she would not receive any punishment at home. If the adults won't do their jobs and address the problem after being informed then they he/she does.


:good: Yep, it is "whoop ass" Time !!! :aggressive:
0

#23 User is offline   katcol 

  • Icon
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: +Member plus pink
  • Posts: 2,805
  • Joined: 17-May 05

Posted 08 March 2012 - 09:10 AM

View Postfishnthec, on 08 March 2012 - 04:16 AM, said:

In my experience though, very little will be done with bullying in high school. I agree with the people who said that you have to continue to talk to your kid. It really stinks but that is the way it is.


Guess that explains why some kids feel that they have to take matters into their own hands when they've been pushed beyond their limits. Sad. And inexcusable.
Posted Image
0

#24 User is offline   Mariposa 

  • Icon
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 1,454
  • Joined: 04-September 08

Posted 08 March 2012 - 06:47 PM

View Postcherokeewoman, on 08 March 2012 - 01:59 AM, said:

I doubt if the school system will do anything... The have literature on a hard stance on bullying, but let a grammar school kid get hit in the hallway and they do nothing..... the teacher did not see it ? Why was the teacher not watching the kids?
The school it seems stands up for some kids, others don't matter... I guess you have to be in the chosen few. It could all be in the perception of the teacher///



Kids are not stupid. It always happens when there are literally hundreds of students changing classes, or in the bathroom, or in the cafeteria when the teacher's attention is on the other side of the class to deal with another situation. It is NOT possible to have eyes on ALL students at ALL times. I know the situation is frustrating, because teachers and staff don't see much of what is happening. You can't punish when you don't see it. On the flip side, if we were to punish based on one kids word against another, that opens a whole can of worms. Just think of situations that come up when you have only two kids at home. The kids are arguing or hitting and both claim that the other one started it, so parents just tell them both to stop. Imagine that same situation with 30 students. A kid comes home and tell the parent that so and so hit or said something, he/she told the teacher and they did nothing about it. What actually happened was two kids were yelling or arguing, both were saying things that other did, the teacher did not see/hear what happened before the argument, so what can you do?

I do realize that a lot of bullying goes on in schools and I'm not discounting that, but on the other hand some of what kids report as bullying is not bullying. Some of the kids who report that others are bullying them are bringing words and actions on themselves. Some students exhibit behavior that is very immature or does not conform to social norms, and kids reactions to them are justified and not bullying. For example, an 11 year old is in class eating boogers and digging in his pants so no one wants to work with him/her, talk to him/ her, sit near him/her etc, reports that the other kids are being mean them and excluding them...well of course they are. Before you jump me about this. I can name 10 kids off the top of my head that I work with just this year that fit into this category. Of course not all of them eating boogers and digging in pants, but their behavior is initiating others reaction to them. I've had other students who reacted each time ANYONE in the class would giggle, cough, or sneeze. He always thought it was meant to bug him, but most times it was not. His mom was always on us about kids bullying him, and we would deal with situations when it was obvious, but how do you keep a whole class from giggling, coughing, or sneezing? The answer to the problem was not getting the others kids not to sneeze, cough, or giggle. The solution to the problem was getting that student to not react to sneezing, giggling, and coughing.

If bullying is happening, and it does, sometimes the student does NOTHING to bring it on, or can not change the things that make him/her a target. Sometimes we need to see if the behavior or issues surrounding the bullied or perceived bullied child can be changed to make them less of a target.
1

#25 User is offline   Blondiega1 

  • Super Icon
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 11,548
  • Joined: 17-December 04

Posted 08 March 2012 - 07:01 PM

View Postkatcol, on 08 March 2012 - 09:10 AM, said:

Guess that explains why some kids feel that they have to take matters into their own hands when they've been pushed beyond their limits. Sad. And inexcusable.


I was picked on terribly in high school by two girls in particular.
I can honestly say, I DO NOT CONDONE kids resorting to killing to get rid of a tormentor, but I understand that thought process.
It took someone finally noticing ME as being what he thought was a "pretty girl" to finally make me realize those stupid bee-yoches were just jealous.
I was smart.
I was pretty.
I did stand out in a crowd.
And they hated it.
Took a long to time for me to see it.

This post has been edited by Blondiega1: 08 March 2012 - 07:02 PM

.






I.I.T.Y.W.I.M.W.Y.B.M.A.D.



You shall find me waiting for you in the old cemetery, under the shade of the magnolia tree.............

Ever has it been that love knows not its own depth until the hour of separation.
0

#26 User is offline   gog8tors 

  • Super Icon
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: +Member plus
  • Posts: 8,942
  • Joined: 07-June 07

Posted 08 March 2012 - 07:35 PM

To the OP I feel your pain. Just keep telling your child that he is the smartest, most wonderful kid around. If he has a lot of friends, you can point that out. If he has a select few you can point out that the quality of his friends is better then some.

Happy Birthday to all 1973 babies. Tell your mom how much you love her!!!
0

#27 User is offline   CRAZMOM95 

  • Paulding Com member
  • PipPipPipPip
  • Group: +Member plus
  • Posts: 82
  • Joined: 22-April 09

Posted 11 March 2012 - 09:22 PM

Thanks to everyone for their support. I finally got a call back from the teacher. I took the opportunity to express my concerns again, and that there is more to the other student than he/she may be seeing. I am hopeful the situation will improve. (Yes giving my son the pep talk to ignore them and stay focused, etc.) after all... I know the lifestyle of one or two of the individuals...I know the parents... and their lack of parenting skils, I still don't believe my son should struggle this way.

Thanks again.
0

#28 User is offline   Lady Raider 

  • Super Icon
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: +MPS extra
  • Posts: 74,712
  • Joined: 18-April 04

Posted 12 March 2012 - 12:09 PM

Good Luck i hope this issue is taken care of..
"The most dangerous place in the world to be is "Between a Mother and her Child"

Posted Image


In Loving Memory of My Daddy and Mama
3-29-08
and 10-24-2012


*say what you mean, and mean what you say*
0

#29 User is offline   cherokeewoman 

  • Icon
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 3,585
  • Joined: 28-October 03

Posted 13 March 2012 - 01:22 AM

Mariposa, interesting, a child that could be getting bullied, needs to change things so they won't get bullied? Wow...
So maybe a child might be a slow reader, or may not speak up in class, or maybe pick their nose, this is a reason to excuse being bullied? The person that is getting bullied needs to change their behavoir but the bully does not? Sorry, but this is what I got from your statement.... If this is what you were saying I disagree... If the parent or grandparent saw the incident of a kid getting hit in the head, I guess it has no bearing in the process also... it did not seem to...
There are different types of children, the laid back ones, the ones that always seem to be the teacher's favorite and some that can do no wrong at home or at school... the ones that dominate-these are usually the ones that get away with anything they do... and they are usually the ones that do the bullying....
I know now days teachers have their hands very full with more kids in their class, but it is their job to see that all are treated fairly.... what happens in the classroom effects every child, the interactions with the teacher, the interactions with other students, the relationship with students and teacher effect other students...I know it is a hard job being a teacher and I commend all of them, and I hope all of them are fair to all students.
0

#30 User is offline   gog8tors 

  • Super Icon
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: +Member plus
  • Posts: 8,942
  • Joined: 07-June 07

Posted 13 March 2012 - 08:30 AM

View Postcherokeewoman, on 13 March 2012 - 01:22 AM, said:

Mariposa, interesting, a child that could be getting bullied, needs to change things so they won't get bullied? Wow...
So maybe a child might be a slow reader, or may not speak up in class, or maybe pick their nose, this is a reason to excuse being bullied? The person that is getting bullied needs to change their behavoir but the bully does not? Sorry, but this is what I got from your statement.... If this is what you were saying I disagree... If the parent or grandparent saw the incident of a kid getting hit in the head, I guess it has no bearing in the process also... it did not seem to...
There are different types of children, the laid back ones, the ones that always seem to be the teacher's favorite and some that can do no wrong at home or at school... the ones that dominate-these are usually the ones that get away with anything they do... and they are usually the ones that do the bullying....
I know now days teachers have their hands very full with more kids in their class, but it is their job to see that all are treated fairly.... what happens in the classroom effects every child, the interactions with the teacher, the interactions with other students, the relationship with students and teacher effect other students...I know it is a hard job being a teacher and I commend all of them, and I hope all of them are fair to all students.

I don't think that is what she said at all. Yes, there are kids that (unfortunately) do/say things that other kids will bully them about.
For example there is a child (we'll call child a) who is sitting behind another child (we'll call child b.)
Child A pokes child B with pen, pencil. Whispers Child B's name, and just generally aggravates child B.

Child B turns to child A and tells Child A to stop. Child A continues. Child B finally strikes back.

Teacher has not seen child A's actions, but does catch child B. Who gets punished? If you said child B you would be correct.

Child B's parents suggest separating (don't know why this didn't occur to the teacher) the two. Teachers does.

Now, Child A is on the other side of the room, and basically is disruptive to the whole class. Child B makes the statement that child A is still picking on him. Now, follow me on this. Does parent still say that child A is bulling child B? Or, does parent tell child B now child A is aggravating the whole class.

The point is that yes, sometimes the bullied child needs to change what they are doing to avoid getting bullied. The teachers know who these kids are, and so do the parents. The key is when do they tell the victim that they are the ones bringing it on themselves?

Happy Birthday to all 1973 babies. Tell your mom how much you love her!!!
0

#31 User is offline   CRAZMOM95 

  • Paulding Com member
  • PipPipPipPip
  • Group: +Member plus
  • Posts: 82
  • Joined: 22-April 09

Posted 13 March 2012 - 08:49 AM

View Postcherokeewoman, on 13 March 2012 - 01:22 AM, said:

Mariposa, interesting, a child that could be getting bullied, needs to change things so they won't get bullied? Wow...
So maybe a child might be a slow reader, or may not speak up in class, or maybe pick their nose, this is a reason to excuse being bullied? The person that is getting bullied needs to change their behavoir but the bully does not? Sorry, but this is what I got from your statement.... If this is what you were saying I disagree... If the parent or grandparent saw the incident of a kid getting hit in the head, I guess it has no bearing in the process also... it did not seem to...
There are different types of children, the laid back ones, the ones that always seem to be the teacher's favorite and some that can do no wrong at home or at school... the ones that dominate-these are usually the ones that get away with anything they do... and they are usually the ones that do the bullying....
I know now days teachers have their hands very full with more kids in their class, but it is their job to see that all are treated fairly.... what happens in the classroom effects every child, the interactions with the teacher, the interactions with other students, the relationship with students and teacher effect other students...I know it is a hard job being a teacher and I commend all of them, and I hope all of them are fair to all students.


Thanks CherokeeWoman... I had to take a long breath on that one myself. My child actually does very well with "surrounding" noise and works very hard. If anything, I guess he does "bring it on himself" because he does his work, asks questions when appropriate and gets called on a lot. Wow she was right ...except this is how a student is suppose to participate in classs. Unfortunately he has been told that he always gets called on as if that is a bad thing... We are past, the noone's perfect line... but lets be honest my child does not nit pick others or ask why they never answer questions out load. He focuses on his work. Oh yes and defends the teacher...when they talk about her. I forgot to add that earlier...
0

#32 User is offline   BeatBoxinGranny47 

  • Paulding Com member
  • PipPipPipPip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 702
  • Joined: 29-March 10

Posted 13 March 2012 - 07:58 PM

View PostJet_man1969, on 07 March 2012 - 02:09 PM, said:

I would thank my child for informing me of the problem and march my ass up to the school to let everyone there know that if they don't get a handle on the unruly students that I was going to let my child open a can of whoop ass on the bully and That while he may get in trouble in school for it he/she would not receive any punishment at home. If the adults won't do their jobs and address the problem after being informed then they he/she does.



Jesus Christ and Holy hell man!!!!! Amen sir, amen!!!!!!! Teach that kid how to take and throw a punch.
0

#33 User is offline   Lady Cinnamon 

  • Member
  • PipPip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 15
  • Joined: 10-March 12

Posted 13 March 2012 - 08:21 PM

View PostCRAZMOM95, on 07 March 2012 - 12:56 PM, said:

My child is in high school and in a class many of the students have various issues, ADHD etc. Usually gets really good grades and tries to work hard. So when others try to purposely aggravate and use pestering ways, even name calling it is enough to throw off the ability of anyone to stay focused. The real trouble is, the same individuals nit pick and call him names and make faces behind the teacher's view, and hassle him because he interjects (with the teachers approval) when giving a lesson.

The teacher told me several times, that she thought he could be a good example to the other students who don't work as hard and don't seem interested in the class. The students think he is a know it all... There have been times when my child was caught in an argument and eventually took the majority if not all of the blame. I am feeling a bit helpless here as I watch the grade begin to slip in this class.


If you are not getting satisfaction from the teacher, go above his/her head. Go straight to the principal with the facts. Don't let one bully keep your child from learning or wanting to learn.
0

#34 User is offline   Mariposa 

  • Icon
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 1,454
  • Joined: 04-September 08

Posted 14 March 2012 - 01:17 AM

View PostCRAZMOM95, on 13 March 2012 - 08:49 AM, said:

Thanks CherokeeWoman... I had to take a long breath on that one myself. My child actually does very well with "surrounding" noise and works very hard. If anything, I guess he does "bring it on himself" because he does his work, asks questions when appropriate and gets called on a lot. Wow she was right ...except this is how a student is suppose to participate in classs. Unfortunately he has been told that he always gets called on as if that is a bad thing... We are past, the noone's perfect line... but lets be honest my child does not nit pick others or ask why they never answer questions out load. He focuses on his work. Oh yes and defends the teacher...when they talk about her. I forgot to add that earlier...


I apologize if I was insensitive or seemed to be blaming the victim. I was trying to be helpful, but I guess I butchered it.

There are many situations where students are bullied and there is nothing they can do to change the situation. Sometimes there are behaviors that the student can change that will make them less of a target. I'm not saying this is the case with your son, but with some kids behaviors can be targeted and addressed that will lessen the problem for them.

These are very simplified examples of situations that I've dealt with in the past at other places, but I hope explains more of what I was trying to say.

A girl was being ostracized, called names, students were running from her in the halls while others laughed and pointed, at times she was being pushed into lockers. This student had a lot problems getting along with her peers, and students did not like being around her in general. What was making students react so strongly was that she would get way too close when talking to others (practically nose to nose), hug them, put her hand on their arm/shoulder. At least one of her parents was from another culture and she was raised in a very touchy-feely home so she did not have the same understanding of personal space as most of us. It did not make her accepted by others, but when we worked with her on personal space issues, it really helped stop much of the problem. (Not a total solution, but it was improved)

I had another kid who always had a scowl and rarely said anything kind to others. His normal tone of voice sounded like snapping at others. Even in a new situation, with kids he did not know, he repelled others quickly. If another kid snapped back at him or treated him the same way, he had just done, he would get angry. They saw he had a short fuse, and they did everything they could to set him off. This usually happened in transition, the bathroom, or wherever an adult was not around. We found out similar things had happened in at least one previous school. We stopped it as much as possible, but there were still incidents of people doing sneaky things that he nor anyone else saw. He was put with a different bunch of kids, but it started over again. I'm not saying he deserved the bullying and torment by others, but it was his reaction to other people that contributed to the issue. I talked to him about it, I know others who were with him more frequently tried to work with him on his interpersonal skills and temper control, but it did not get any better. I'm sure wherever he went after that, he experienced similar problems, because there are always snots who look for an easy target and he rubbed so many others the wrong way, he didn't have many kids willing to stand up for him.


For him and many other kids, even if the problem gets solved in one class, there's always a crowded bus, a new class, a new school, and numerous other situations where adults aren't watching. Unfortunately, there are also too many kids who will take advantage of him being an easy target to pick on and get entertained from his temper tantrums. It would be in that student's best interest to make some changes to help himself.

If a kid is experiencing problems in more than 1 setting, or there is a pattern of bullying developing, it is worth trying find things that student can change to help themselves, because in reality we can not change the whole world. That's all I was trying to say.
0

#35 User is offline   Mariposa 

  • Icon
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 1,454
  • Joined: 04-September 08

Posted 14 March 2012 - 01:28 AM

View Postcherokeewoman, on 13 March 2012 - 01:22 AM, said:

Mariposa, interesting, a child that could be getting bullied, needs to change things so they won't get bullied? Wow...
So maybe a child might be a slow reader, or may not speak up in class, or maybe pick their nose, this is a reason to excuse being bullied? The person that is getting bullied needs to change their behavoir but the bully does not? Sorry, but this is what I got from your statement.... If this is what you were saying I disagree... If the parent or grandparent saw the incident of a kid getting hit in the head, I guess it has no bearing in the process also... it did not seem to...
There are different types of children, the laid back ones, the ones that always seem to be the teacher's favorite and some that can do no wrong at home or at school... the ones that dominate-these are usually the ones that get away with anything they do... and they are usually the ones that do the bullying....
I know now days teachers have their hands very full with more kids in their class, but it is their job to see that all are treated fairly.... what happens in the classroom effects every child, the interactions with the teacher, the interactions with other students, the relationship with students and teacher effect other students...I know it is a hard job being a teacher and I commend all of them, and I hope all of them are fair to all students.


I'm sorry I didn't explain myself well. I know true bullying happens and many times kids do nothing or can't help what they're doing.

I just meant that sometimes what gets reported as bullying is other students reacting to the behaviors of that student that can be helped. Sometimes kids want us to make other students accept them, and we can't do that.

I'm not excusing bullying or saying a kid deserves to be hit or tormented, but if he's eating boogers, he may be ostracized if he's above a certain age. It is in his best interest to stop eating boogers if it is contributing to his problems.
0

#36 User is offline   CRAZMOM95 

  • Paulding Com member
  • PipPipPipPip
  • Group: +Member plus
  • Posts: 82
  • Joined: 22-April 09

Posted 14 March 2012 - 10:13 AM

View PostMariposa, on 14 March 2012 - 01:28 AM, said:

I'm sorry I didn't explain myself well. I know true bullying happens and many times kids do nothing or can't help what they're doing.

I just meant that sometimes what gets reported as bullying is other students reacting to the behaviors of that student that can be helped. Sometimes kids want us to make other students accept them, and we can't do that.

I'm not excusing bullying or saying a kid deserves to be hit or tormented, but if he's eating boogers, he may be ostracized if he's above a certain age. It is in his best interest to stop eating boogers if it is contributing to his problems.


I am glad my son does not "eat buggers" as you keep saying... he is after all in high school. I think actually one of the other students did not fit in and has learned if he talks slang and acts a certain way and puts the attention elsewhere, then he fits in better himself rather than being the one that sticks out. He now is just another one of the jerks... but hey, he "fits in" somewhere right and has excaped being pestered by others for the momment at least?
0

#37 User is offline   overit 

  • Icon
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: +Member plus
  • Posts: 2,806
  • Joined: 10-February 06

Posted 14 March 2012 - 11:31 AM

View PostCRAZMOM95, on 14 March 2012 - 10:13 AM, said:

I am glad my son does not "eat buggers" as you keep saying... he is after all in high school. I think actually one of the other students did not fit in and has learned if he talks slang and acts a certain way and puts the attention elsewhere, then he fits in better himself rather than being the one that sticks out. He now is just another one of the jerks... but hey, he "fits in" somewhere right and has excaped being pestered by others for the momment at least?


Move him! You would not believe the change it will make for your child! The stress it will take off him and your family is worth him changing classes. He sounds super smart and will be just fine in a different class. You have no control over the other students, and no control over a teacher that does a piss poor job at classroom management.
0

#38 User is offline   TJB 

  • Super Icon
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 5,154
  • Joined: 11-September 06

Posted 14 March 2012 - 12:50 PM

View Postoverit, on 14 March 2012 - 11:31 AM, said:

Move him! You would not believe the change it will make for your child! The stress it will take off him and your family is worth him changing classes. He sounds super smart and will be just fine in a different class. You have no control over the other students, and no control over a teacher that does a piss poor job at classroom management.

Quite often, if teachers write kids up too much; they are labeled as having poor classroom management. In addition, administrators are often unwilling to deal with discipline because it's too much trouble and suspending students can hirt AYP numbers.
0

#39 User is offline   overit 

  • Icon
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: +Member plus
  • Posts: 2,806
  • Joined: 10-February 06

Posted 14 March 2012 - 01:27 PM

View PostTJB, on 14 March 2012 - 12:50 PM, said:

Quite often, if teachers write kids up too much; they are labeled as having poor classroom management. In addition, administrators are often unwilling to deal with discipline because it's too much trouble and suspending students can hirt AYP numbers.



Really, if you try to control your classroom and do write up's, you get in trouble? Have you taught in a different state besides GA? I am beginning to think the whole dang state is screwed up when it comes to education. :pardon:
0

#40 User is offline   TJB 

  • Super Icon
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 5,154
  • Joined: 11-September 06

Posted 14 March 2012 - 01:36 PM

View Postoverit, on 14 March 2012 - 01:27 PM, said:

Really, if you try to control your classroom and do write up's, you get in trouble? Have you taught in a different state besides GA? I am beginning to think the whole dang state is screwed up when it comes to education. :pardon:

It's basically the same bullsh*t line from every administrator; "If you had better lessons the kids would be better behaved"
Administration will always find a way to spin it where the teacher is to blame. It's an unfortunate reality of teaching.
0

Share this topic:


  • 2 Pages +
  • 1
  • 2
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

1 User(s) are reading this topic
0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users


Recent Topics Recent Topics