[marvinthemartian]

Good evening fellow P.commers,

I have a question and I hope someone can help me understand if I did something wrong and if I did, what it was so I don't do it again. Here it goes: Yesterday I made a thread in this forum asking if anyone knew of someone who could spray mulch at my house over a fairly large area (appx 3,000 square feet.) I figured someone here in the county might know of someone who did this type of work locally and could tell me who to call. I have seen these types of threads on here for many other services over the years where local people asked other local people who they would recommend (hair salons, auto mechanics, chiropractors etc.) Even now, there is a thread in this forum from someone who is in need of a dentist and wanted to know who people on here would recommend. (I hope you found a good dentist by the way...I use Dr Robin Jones on Chapel Hill Rd by the Mall in Douglasville..she is awesome. Victor Hudson is awesome also.)

My question is why was my thread moved from this forum within maybe an hour or so and relocated to a forum that gets nowhere near the traffic that this one does when I have seen many others doing basically the same thing and their threads stay here in this forum until they run their course? It took me about ten to fifteen minutes to even find where it went. Please understand, I am not trying to be argumentative and I really appreciate the work that goes into giving us a free forum to keep up with local issues. This is a great service for all of us and we are fortunate to have it. All I wanted to do was find a local person to employ to do a job for me and who others on this board thought would do a good job at it.

Again, I appreciate the effort that Pubby puts into this site. He does a great job. This is not a complaint. If I did something wrong, please let me know so I will not do it again. I will gladly follow the rules. I am just trying to get clarification of what they are and why my post was pulled when many others that do the same thing as mine was designed to do are allowed to stay in this forum indefinitely? Why would there be a difference between asking for a referral on a local person who does mulching compared to asking for a referral of a local dentist, hair stylist, mechanic, chiropractor etc? Seems like keeping as much business in the county as we can instead of sending our dollars out of the county to Atlanta or somewhere else would be a good thing.

Thanks,

Marvinthemartian

[justgettingby]

I saw your post but didn't respond because I've never heard of mulch being blown in. I had about the same amount of mulch put down by Kelly Landscaping last spring and they were GREAT! They are a local company from Dallas.

As for your original question, I guess the posts get moved as the mods see it. I had one recently (for a hospital gown) moved to the same forum within 5 minutes of posting. Just a tip... if you use your "recent topics" button (at the top and bottom of each page) it'll bring up ALL recent posts in all of the obscure forums. Makes it easier to see them all instead of randomly checking each one LOL.

[Starr & Dru's Nana]

Posts requesting services, even if not requesting them from a provider just asking who to call, are to be placed in "Wanted Goods and Services".

If you make a post and can't find it, send a PM to a mod and they can help you locate it. They're pretty good people. Most of them, anyway.

The mods can't be everywhere and see everything, so often threads don't get moved. Generally, at least as far as I have noticed, most do. Maybe someone reports them, I don't know. Maybe mods are online and see the posts. I don't know.

[marvinthemartian]

justgettingby, on 26 February 2012 - 10:01 PM, said:

I saw your post but didn't respond because I've never heard of mulch being blown in. I had about the same amount of mulch put down by Kelly Landscaping last spring and they were GREAT! They are a local company from Dallas.

As for your original question, I guess the posts get moved as the mods see it. I had one recently (for a hospital gown) moved to the same forum within 5 minutes of posting. Just a tip... if you use your "recent topics" button (at the top and bottom of each page) it'll bring up ALL recent posts in all of the obscure forums. Makes it easier to see them all instead of randomly checking each one LOL.

Thanks to both you and Star and Drus Nana for the response. I wish those forums got more traffic. Posts tend to go there and are not viewed a whole lot because everyone comes here. I had never heard of mulch being blown in either until I started looking around and saw some companies in other areas that do it. They bring a truck in and blow it in...kinda like they blow insulation into your attic I guess. Was Kelly Landscapings price reasonable? I assume they did it by hand ....lol which is what me and my back are trying to avoid having to do lol.

[justgettingby]

marvinthemartian, on 26 February 2012 - 10:15 PM, said:

Thanks to both you and Star and Drus Nana for the response. I wish those forums got more traffic. Posts tend to go there and are not viewed a whole lot because everyone comes here. I had never heard of mulch being blown in either until I started looking around and saw some companies in other areas that do it. They bring a truck in and blow it in...kinda like they blow insulation into your attic I guess. Was Kelly Landscapings price reasonable? I assume they did it by hand ....lol which is what me and my back are trying to avoid having to do lol.

I don't remember how much it was because I had a lot of other work done at the same time. It was the first time I had used them and went with them because their total price was good and they were very professional. I got sick of companies not returning calls and not showing up when they said they would. They did all the mulch by hand but there were 6 guys so it was done quickly and they left not one shred of mulch out of place. Since then, I use them for all of my lawn maintenance and mowing and two houses and couldn't be happier.

And yeah, NO WAY IN HECK would I do all that mulch by myself!!! I'd sell my house before I attempted to do that by myself. Ugh, my back hurts just thinking about it!

[ButterflyLion]

marvinthemartian, on 26 February 2012 - 10:15 PM, said:

Thanks to both you and Star and Drus Nana for the response. I wish those forums got more traffic. Posts tend to go there and are not viewed a whole lot because everyone comes here. I had never heard of mulch being blown in either until I started looking around and saw some companies in other areas that do it. They bring a truck in and blow it in...kinda like they blow insulation into your attic I guess. Was Kelly Landscapings price reasonable? I assume they did it by hand ....lol which is what me and my back are trying to avoid having to do lol.

I don't know who does it in this area. Here's a video that shows how they blow mulch into place so everyone can get an idea of how it works:

[Starr & Dru's Nana]

I had never seen this done until a recent trip to Florida. It was really cool to see how they did it.

[STRAWMAN]

To your original question about posts being moved, this is why a local business owner dropped their commerce account here. Any post made here was moved to a different section, and therefore got very little visability. Which would have been fine, but the enforcement of that rule didn't seem to be uniformly applied to all commerce members. The rule is fine as long as its applied to all but you don't get exposure in those other forums.

And to your second question I don't have an answer:)

[Miss Crump]

The Recent Topics Button pulls every topic from every forum up in a single list. It doesn't matter what forum it is in since every topic is ranked according to the time of the last post. All posts get the same visibility no matter what forum it is placed.

[LPPT]

kwood, on 27 February 2012 - 06:47 AM, said:

To your original question about posts being moved, this is why a local business owner dropped their commerce account here. Any post made here was moved to a different section, and therefore got very little visability. Which would have been fine, but the enforcement of that rule didn't seem to be uniformly applied to all commerce members. The rule is fine as long as its applied to all but you don't get exposure in those other forums.

And to your second question I don't have an answer:)

You get exactly the same amount of exposure, I can go to the business forum make a post in a thread that is 6 months old it will come to the top of the recent topics page.
I can look in the view column and see how many views it has then watch those numbers rise as people click and look at the contents of the post.
One of the biggest reasons it is placed in that forum is it is listed on the front page where people browse by forum rather than resent topics.

Bottom line is all topics fall back when there are no responses to them no matter the forum they are started in, Forums are basically a directory.
I am not the least bit interested in sports, I will not open post that I see are in that forum no matter the title, but many times these topics stay high on recent topics because many are interested and respond.

Any business member can come to me for instruction on how the board works and marketing. Business members can post about other things than business, their post not business related are not moved to the business forum.

Bottom line no threads disappear when they are moved to a different forum, they roll back because nobody is interested enough in them to respond and they roll back off the 2 recent topics page. They are easily found by going back to the original forum where they basically archive.

[STRAWMAN]

LPPT, on 27 February 2012 - 07:49 AM, said:

You get exactly the same amount of exposure, I can go to the business forum make a post in a thread that is 6 months old it will come to the top of the recent topics page.
I can look in the view column and see how many views it has then watch those numbers rise as people click and look at the contents of the post.
One of the biggest reasons it is placed in that forum is it is listed on the front page where people browse by forum rather than resent topics.

Bottom line is all topics fall back when there are no responses to them no matter the forum they are started in, Forums are basically a directory.
I am not the least bit interested in sports, I will not open post that I see are in that forum no matter the title, but many times these topics stay high on recent topics because many are interested and respond.

Any business member can come to me for instruction on how the board works and marketing. Business members can post about other things than business, their post not business related are not moved to the business forum.

Bottom line no threads disappear when they are moved to a different forum, they roll back because nobody is interested enough in them to respond and they roll back off the 2 recent topics page. They are easily found by going back to the original forum where they basically archive.

That may be how some people use the forums. I can tell you when I come here I click on forums and then I click Internet Cafe and I rarely, almost never go anywhere else on the site, and I'm guessing there are a lot of people the same way. I'm not arguing the point, just making a statement.

[watcher]

LPPT, on 27 February 2012 - 07:49 AM, said:

You get exactly the same amount of exposure, I can go to the business forum make a post in a thread that is 6 months old it will come to the top of the recent topics page.
I can look in the view column and see how many views it has then watch those numbers rise as people click and look at the contents of the post.
One of the biggest reasons it is placed in that forum is it is listed on the front page where people browse by forum rather than resent topics.

Bottom line is all topics fall back when there are no responses to them no matter the forum they are started in, Forums are basically a directory.
I am not the least bit interested in sports, I will not open post that I see are in that forum no matter the title, but many times these topics stay high on recent topics because many are interested and respond.

Any business member can come to me for instruction on how the board works and marketing. Business members can post about other things than business, their post not business related are not moved to the business forum.

Bottom line no threads disappear when they are moved to a different forum, they roll back because nobody is interested enough in them to respond and they roll back off the 2 recent topics page. They are easily found by going back to the original forum where they basically archive.

Do ya'll have any way to know how most people use the site?
I always go to recent topics and thought most people did, now I'm not sure.

[LPPT]

kwood, on 27 February 2012 - 08:59 AM, said:

That may be how some people use the forums. I can tell you when I come here I click on forums and then I click Internet Cafe and I rarely, almost never go anywhere else on the site, and I'm guessing there are a lot of people the same way. I'm not arguing the point, just making a statement.

We realize that this is a challenge for us. People in general are afraid to click things on the internet.
We have tried all types of buttons and links for people to browse recent topics as in the big blue button at the top of the page.
The majority of our posters under 30 will use this button and click all over the site.
Those of us over 40 paid a fortune for clicking in the the early days of the internet and simply are not click happy.
As of yet we have not found a sure fire way to create a comfort level in that age group.

Paulding.com poses no risk to anyone browsing the site, you can click any icon you want you will not get viruses. Every page you pull will have the recent topics button on it and take you immediately to recent topics where you are familiar navigating.

Most folks do catch on after a while about navigation, which is simple once you start clicking on the site.

The biggest complaint I hear is there is to much on site and it is confusing.
We have been around a long time, the many forums and archives are in response to a community that has a large range of needs.

Clicking from the front page in to a forum is like clicking into a box, we have argued many times that I want that removed and the only option to be clicking the recent topics button.

You should start clicking the recent topics button you will see a much bigger board.
I would say that about 90% of members do use recent topics because we do track where people are clicking.

watcher, on 27 February 2012 - 09:18 AM, said:

Do ya'll have any way to know how most people use the site?
I always go to recent topics and thought most people did, now I'm not sure.

We know most are using that button, I am going to see how people might refresh when they are only in one forum.

[LPPT]

Kwood, how are you viewing new conversation in a post, I can not see how you can do this. I have tried refreshing the browser and view new content, every thing takes me away from the forum and back to recent topics.

[LPPT]

I figured out how to refresh within a single forum.
When you come in through the forum link, just above the banner you will see your location, it looks like this.
Paulding.com
> Paulding News
> The New Internet Cafe
> Question about a post I had yesterday that was relocated

If I click the new Internet cafe it will refresh me in that forum only and I will not see any other forums on the recent topics page.

I wonder if there is anything else that can be done with the blue button that encourages folks to click it without fear.

I am very interested in feed back and questions that will help us make p.com better for our users.

[MillCreek]

For whatever it's worth, I just click on "recent topics aka blue button" and read any topics, that are of interest, regardless of the forum its in.....beats having to click on the "individual forums..."

[STRAWMAN]

LPPT, on 27 February 2012 - 09:27 AM, said:

Kwood, how are you viewing new conversation in a post, I can not see how you can do this. I have tried refreshing the browser and view new content, every thing takes me away from the forum and back to recent topics.

I go to forums, then internet cafe. Read a post, possibly respond, and then click the back button to go back to the list of topics within the internet cafe. When I'm done I usually close out and then come back the way I came later in the day and the conversations are updated with new posts. That's how I've always used the site. I'm in the slightly over 30 demographic. I don't have a fear of clicking things, that's just the way I've always used the site. I never honestly really noticed the recent topics button. I sometimes go to the county wide news section, but that's about it. Of course I'm not a big user of the site. I usually check in daily, sometimes multiple times a day, but I'm not on here all day every day.

[Starr & Dru's Nana]

161 views and the topic was started two days ago? Seems like there was a good deal of interest. Maybe the problem is there was nobody who could help.

[dana]

MillCreek, on 27 February 2012 - 10:05 AM, said:

For whatever it's worth, I just click on "recent topics aka blue button" and read any topics, that are of interest, regardless of the forum its in.....beats having to click on the "individual forums..."

Yep, same here.

[LPPT]

kwood, on 27 February 2012 - 11:17 AM, said:

I go to forums, then internet cafe. Read a post, possibly respond, and then click the back button to go back to the list of topics within the internet cafe. When I'm done I usually close out and then come back the way I came later in the day and the conversations are updated with new posts. That's how I've always used the site. I'm in the slightly over 30 demographic. I don't have a fear of clicking things, that's just the way I've always used the site. I never honestly really noticed the recent topics button. I sometimes go to the county wide news section, but that's about it. Of course I'm not a big user of the site. I usually check in daily, sometimes multiple times a day, but I'm not on here all day every day.

Hopefully you will start using the button. I am aware of the use of the back button for navigating the site.
We have tried different buttons in the past, the bottom line is it can be difficult to explain the concept of a message board to a first time user.
I wonder if it would help to create a video on navigation and place it on the front.
I have also discussed whittling down the front page to funnel people to recent topics, less choices, less likelihood of people getting boxed in to a single forum and having to back out to browse.

kwood, on 27 February 2012 - 11:17 AM, said:

I go to forums, then internet cafe. Read a post, possibly respond, and then click the back button to go back to the list of topics within the internet cafe. When I'm done I usually close out and then come back the way I came later in the day and the conversations are updated with new posts. That's how I've always used the site. I'm in the slightly over 30 demographic. I don't have a fear of clicking things, that's just the way I've always used the site. I never honestly really noticed the recent topics button. I sometimes go to the county wide news section, but that's about it. Of course I'm not a big user of the site. I usually check in daily, sometimes multiple times a day, but I'm not on here all day every day.

I also wanted to add that your feedback is very much appreciated

[PUBBY]

watcher, on 27 February 2012 - 09:18 AM, said:

Do ya'll have any way to know how most people use the site?
I always go to recent topics and thought most people did, now I'm not sure.

Yes we do. We know, for instance, the with about 25 percent of all traffic (page views) the recent topics page is the most viewed page on the site.

There are a few folks who opt to go to just the Internet cafe but we see this not only in actual 'views' as reported by google analytics but also in the real-time views of content being viewed. Here is a snapshot of the 'realtime' page showing 13 visitors looking at the recent topics (do active) page followed by 3 viewers of the IC, two folks on the home portal page, one on the main forum page, and of course the viewers in each topic go down.

The important thing to remember is these are folks who are active in the last minute and they're looking at from 25 to 60 pages every minute.

The reason we try to keep the topics organized by forums is so that folks interested in those topics can find them a week later. If everything were jumbled in the cafe the old topics would be lost forever much sooner as literally hundreds of new topics - topice from all the forums - would appear first.

If you were looking for a topic on autism posted a month ago, for instance, you might have to scroll back 200 pages whereas if it is in its own forum, it may be in the top five topics as conversations on that topic are slow.

Bottom line everyone is entitled to their opinion about this but it is our job to do it. We don't and aren't operating in a vacuum nor are we blind or without data resources to inform our opinion(s).

Finally if there were instances where mods failed to move a topic of competitor of a member from the IC to the proper - likely business news - category, then the member should report using the same tool that folks do when someone crosses the line. Explain how the topic is a business topic and ought to be moved ... usually it will be. If it is not, within a reasonable period of time, report it again. (there are sometimes hours when a mod is not on but usually one shows up in less than half a day at the absolute worst.)

pubby

[STRAWMAN]

LPPT, on 27 February 2012 - 11:44 AM, said:

Hopefully you will start using the button. I am aware of the use of the back button for navigating the site.
We have tried different buttons in the past, the bottom line is it can be difficult to explain the concept of a message board to a first time user.
I wonder if it would help to create a video on navigation and place it on the front.
I have also discussed whittling down the front page to funnel people to recent topics, less choices, less likelihood of people getting boxed in to a single forum and having to back out to browse.


I also wanted to add that your feedback is very much appreciated

No problem I am an avid message board user, and have been for years. I think limiting the front page to funnel people to recent topics would be a good solution.

[AustinPlantation]

I use the right-click, open in new window button on a topic I want to read. That way the new content page is still there and i don't have to back button to get back. I just close the topic's window when I'm done.

LPPT, on 27 February 2012 - 11:44 AM, said:

Hopefully you will start using the button. I am aware of the use of the back button for navigating the site.
We have tried different buttons in the past, the bottom line is it can be difficult to explain the concept of a message board to a first time user.
I wonder if it would help to create a video on navigation and place it on the front.
I have also discussed whittling down the front page to funnel people to recent topics, less choices, less likelihood of people getting boxed in to a single forum and having to back out to browse.


I also wanted to add that your feedback is very much appreciated

[LPPT]

kwood, on 27 February 2012 - 12:43 PM, said:

No problem I am an avid message board user, and have been for years. I think limiting the front page to funnel people to recent topics would be a good solution.

I understand I have joined specific message boards in the past and it takes a while to navigate them.
I think our recent topics button is very simple, but then I have been on this one a long time.
If we had put text over it what phrase might have made you inclined to click it?
I would really like to pick your brain because I think people that don't learn to use it don't stick around long enough to post as you do, so we don't have the opportunity to learn from their experience.

AustinPlantation, on 27 February 2012 - 12:46 PM, said:

I use the right-click, open in new window button on a topic I want to read. That way the new content page is still there and i don't have to back button to get back. I just close the topic's window when I'm done.

Will you click the recent topis button for me and give me feedback as to your experience using it for the first time?

[Taylor46]

I didn't even know about the recent topics button. I have never even paid attention to that part of the page, because that is where the ad is. I don't think it is in a good location.

[LPPT]

Taylor46, on 27 February 2012 - 01:53 PM, said:

I didn't even know about the recent topics button. I have never even paid attention to that part of the page, because that is where the ad is. I don't think it is in a good location.

Do you think that people think it is part of the banner ad and they may be clicking the ad if they click on it?

[LPPT]

LPPT, on 27 February 2012 - 01:57 PM, said:

Do you think that people think it is part of the banner ad and they may be clicking the ad if they click on it?

This also brings up another question of what people think will happen if they click on an ad on our site.
Just in case anyone is wondering, clicking on an ad on our site will not cause an ad to blow up on your page.
If you click an ad it will open a new window with the businesses website you can easily close if you are not interested.

[Taylor46]

LPPT, on 27 February 2012 - 01:57 PM, said:

Do you think that people think it is part of the banner ad and they may be clicking the ad if they click on it?

That is what I thought. I never knew about that or the coupon button. I always go to the top and click on forums.

[Hopper626]

Someone has too much time

[LPPT]

Taylor46, on 27 February 2012 - 02:08 PM, said:

That is what I thought. I never knew about that or the coupon button. I always go to the top and click on forums.

That is good feed back, we can move it a little away and put text on it. We still need it at the top and bottom of the page though and easily seen.
We placed it and designed it to attract the most attention in hopes that it would jump out at folks and they would not have to refresh by trial and error.

[AustinPlantation]

It works fine, except, if i do it this way, I lose my place in the list of recent topics. If I do it my way, when I go back, I'm where I left off in the list.

LPPT, on 27 February 2012 - 12:52 PM, said:

Will you click the recent topis button for me and give me feedback as to your experience using it for the first time?

[tranquility]

AustinPlantation, on 27 February 2012 - 06:10 PM, said:

It works fine, except, if i do it this way, I lose my place in the list of recent topics. If I do it my way, when I go back, I'm where I left off in the list.

I hit recent topics then go to the bottom of page 1 and work my way back up to the top. That way by the time I check any new posts or revisit one from earlier the newer posts at the top that are moving up due to new comments being made are easier not to miss.
Hope that made sense.

This post has been edited by tranquility: 27 February 2012 - 08:40 PM

[marvinthemartian]

Thank you all so much for the many responses to this thread. Like kwood and some others, I honestly never even noticed the recent topics button. It looked like it blended in with the banner advertisement and I just subconsciously never even looked at it. Now that I see it for what it is, it makes sense.

Again, as I said originally, this was not meant to be a complaint by me at all. I appreciate what Pubby and the other mods do. They have a tough job and will never make everyone happy. I am thankful for the opportunity to have a free place to communicate. I just was confused as to why some were moved and others werent. It does seem that after they are moved, the response level goes down significantly. I would imagine many, if not most, people are like me.....they log on, go straight to the internet cafe and thats about it. It seems like others have had some misunderstanding/lack of knowledge of the recent topics button so hopefully this will help them as it has helped me. The more people who use it, the better it will be for everyone.

All that being said.......I still dont have anybody to spray my mulch lol.

[LPPT]

marvinthemartian, on 27 February 2012 - 09:33 PM, said:

Thank you all so much for the many responses to this thread. Like kwood and some others, I honestly never even noticed the recent topics button. It looked like it blended in with the banner advertisement and I just subconsciously never even looked at it. Now that I see it for what it is, it makes sense.

Again, as I said originally, this was not meant to be a complaint by me at all. I appreciate what Pubby and the other mods do. They have a tough job and will never make everyone happy. I am thankful for the opportunity to have a free place to communicate. I just was confused as to why some were moved and others werent. It does seem that after they are moved, the response level goes down significantly. I would imagine many, if not most, people are like me.....they log on, go straight to the internet cafe and thats about it. It seems like others have had some misunderstanding/lack of knowledge of the recent topics button so hopefully this will help them as it has helped me. The more people who use it, the better it will be for everyone.

All that being said.......I still dont have anybody to spray my mulch lol.

I want to thank you and apologize for hijacking your thread. I just could not pass up the opportunity to learn more about how people were experiencing the site and take the opportunity to improve it.

I started writing a script today because we have the capability of recording me navigating and narrating as I go. We will place it on the front page for people to watch and learn navigation, to hopefully give them a richer experience communicating in their community.

I have been working on things like coaching on posting pictures.
We noticed a drop in participation after upgrading to this board, we expected it, but not to the extent or duration.
It is hard to explain to people the necessity of upgrading as the internet changes.
Plug ins change, such as youtube and other sites, we have to upgrade as they do in order to share.

Facebook has been a challenge because it is the first social networking many have experienced. It is very different than Paulding.com.

In fact we talked about the behavior that we see there verses here and for us it seems way behind. The repetitive posting of amusing photoshop google came and went on here years ago.
We invite people to discuss real issues and to share about community, the anonymity encourages more honest opinions.

The problem is the difference in ultra simple social networking verses more complex networking such as we have.

I could take a day and show people just how complex our capabilities are on p.com.
We can create complex and interesting experiences on the site such as using 4g to stream something to you happening across town, More importantly you can also.

We encourage people to participate on that level, rather than leaving it up to the staff on site to deliver it to you.
Bottom line, P,com is all about you our members it is your site.

[marvinthemartian]

LPPT......no worries about hijacking the thread. Glad some good is coming from this. By the way, tell your hubby I need about ten mnutes on his table sometime real soon!

[LPPT]

marvinthemartian, on 27 February 2012 - 10:16 PM, said:

LPPT......no worries about hijacking the thread. Glad some good is coming from this. By the way, tell your hubby I need about ten mnutes on his table sometime real soon!

You know we do walk in, just call if you are unsure of the hours

[marvinthemartian]

He has fixed me many times and fixed my wife a few months ago as well. He is the best!

[LPPT]

marvinthemartian, on 27 February 2012 - 10:24 PM, said:

He has fixed me many times and fixed my wife a few months ago as well. He is the best!

I guess I owe you 2 thank you's now!!
I think he is all that and a bag of potato chips too!

[marvinthemartian]

Yeah my wife works for a large heating and air company here in the county. She knows you and we all met at the Taste of Paulding thing in the Fall out on Hwy 278...she hurt her back a few months ago and went to the hospital. They gave her Percocet and she didnt want to take it. I took her to your hubby. I carried her in...she walked out. Thats a good thing lol.

[LPPT]

marvinthemartian, on 27 February 2012 - 10:35 PM, said:

Yeah my wife works for a large heating and air company here in the county. She knows you and we all met at the Taste of Paulding thing in the Fall out on Hwy 278...she hurt her back a few months ago and went to the hospital. They gave her Percocet and she didnt want to take it. I took her to your hubby. I carried her in...she walked out. Thats a good thing lol.

Now you got me going,,,,, I think I know you
I am glad she is better,