[zoocrew]

The US Supreme Court is considering the case where a person says he is a war veteran but isn't. Is that free speech and the "consumer beware" or is it a criminal act?

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[gog8tors]

Yes it is against the law.
http://www.govtrack....?bill=s109-1998

No it is not .free speech. It's also libel to get the guys butt kicked.

[zoocrew]

gog8tors, on 19 February 2012 - 10:03 PM, said:

Yes it is against the law.
http://www.govtrack....?bill=s109-1998

No it is not .free speech. It's also libel to get the guys butt kicked.

The court is going to rule on it one way or the other.

[Mr.Dis]

gog8tors, on 19 February 2012 - 10:03 PM, said:

Yes it is against the law.
http://www.govtrack....?bill=s109-1998

No it is not .free speech. It's also libel to get the guys butt kicked.

GG the way I read it, it is not illegal to say you served in a war or the military. It does make it a crime to say that the awards for those services are yours. ie saying you earned the Purple heart in Iraq would be illegal. A shrewd person would be able to ask about the appropriate service ribbon to determine that.

[gog8tors]

Mr.Dis, on 19 February 2012 - 10:45 PM, said:

GG the way I read it, it is not illegal to say you served in a war or the military. It does make it a crime to say that the awards for those services are yours. ie saying you earned the Purple heart in Iraq would be illegal. A shrewd person would be able to ask about the appropriate service ribbon to determine that.

Usually we just listen for BS clues. There not that hard to detect. Just like anyone in LE/EMS/FF y'all know the BSers when you hear them.

[justgettingby]

gog8tors, on 19 February 2012 - 11:12 PM, said:

Usually we just listen for BS clues. There not that hard to detect. Just like anyone in LE/EMS/FF y'all know the BSers when you hear them.

Yep. The BSers are the ones that won't shut up about what they supposedly saw in combat and brag about their awards. You can hear them a mile away.

[Mrs G]

I think it should be against the law "IF" you were begging for money on the street corner and telling people you were/are in the military and was injured and can't work due to your injuries. This should be illegal and probably is already, I just don't know for a fact!! Just like people telling people they have cancer, when they really don't but they use this guise as a way to get money from the kind hearted people of the town.

[psslb]

You mean like former Cobb County, GA, Public Safety Director Mickey Lloyd?

[grumps]

Personally I could give a damn if he wants BS people about his war exploits as long as there is no financial gain or hurt of any other person. Now if he is displaying medals he did not earn, he would probably choke on them as I shove them down his damn throat. This is coming from a 2 time Viet vet and retired Marine.

[Marteen-J]

grumps, on 20 February 2012 - 10:47 AM, said:

Personally I could give a damn if he wants BS people about his war exploits as long as there is no financial gain or hurt of any other person. Now if he is displaying medals he did not earn, he would probably choke on them as I shove them down his damn throat. This is coming from a 2 time Viet vet and retired Marine.

financial gain, or inflated resume, etc

[LisaC]

People who lie about being a police officer are arrested - how is this different? Lying has consequences, it has nothing to do with anyone's Constitutional rights.

[NC-17]

ask Admiral Boorda.

crap. you can't.

[DallasRED]

I read some story online a few weeks ago. The guy was in NY and told the cops he was a NAVY SEAL...They took him to the mental ward...Turns out he was telling the truth.

[Bones]

Not sure about illegal but unwise and unsafe depending on who your telling that lie to.

[DallasRED]

Mrs G, on 20 February 2012 - 08:12 AM, said:

I think it should be against the law "IF" you were begging for money on the street corner and telling people you were/are in the military and was injured and can't work due to your injuries. This should be illegal and probably is already, I just don't know for a fact!! Just like people telling people they have cancer, when they really don't but they use this guise as a way to get money from the kind hearted people of the town.

If they were injured they would get disability. My boss was medically retired and gets 100% disability but he still has an office job as a contractor. Not to mention that money is not taxed and they get it for the rest of their life.

[justgettingby]

DC...RED, on 20 February 2012 - 03:21 PM, said:

If they were injured they would get disability. My boss was medically retired and gets 100% disability but he still has an office job as a contractor. Not to mention that money is not taxed and they get it for the rest of their life.

And *that* is why I refuse to give money to anyone claiming they are a wounded veteran. I am sure this was more of an issue in wars of the past and that is extrememly sad. But when I see a 30 or 40 something year old person holding a sign claiming they are a wounded vet, I get angry. There is one in Tallahassee I see everyday, in the same spot, raking in money from people.

Granted, depending on the percentage of disability and how many dependents, it might not be that much money. But it's enough to keep 'em off the street.

[converse]

DC...RED, on 20 February 2012 - 03:21 PM, said:

If they were injured they would get disability.

You don't even have to be injured. I don't remember what it was, but I was offered a percentage of disability for hearing loss. The loss of hearing from when I entered to when I left met the criteria so I was offered disability. I told them I thought my hearing was fine and they confirmed that even with my "loss" I was above average for my age. I turned it down...

I know others that have it for shaving bumps. There is some medical term for it but that’s what it is... When I see members with real physical injuries that limit their ability to function on a day to day basis I think about how I could honestly not have sour thoughts about myself taking from the same pot they'll be living the rest of their lives out of.

[justgettingby]

Almost everyone we have known in the military qualifies for hearing loss when rated by the VA. But that doesn't necessarily mean you get money for it. It makes it service connected so if down the road it gets worse, you can get assistance through the VA for it. There is nothing wrong with that.

This post has been edited by justgettingby: 20 February 2012 - 09:09 PM

[~Chester~]

NC-17, on 20 February 2012 - 01:49 PM, said:

ask Admiral Boorda.

crap. you can't.

Dang.

[NC-17]

!PanVet!, on 20 February 2012 - 09:06 PM, said:

Dang.

Yeah

[converse]

justgettingby, on 20 February 2012 - 09:03 PM, said:

Almost everyone we have known in the military qualifies for hearing loss when rated by the VA. But that doesn't necessarily mean you get money for it. It makes it service connected so if down the road it gets worse, you can get assistance through the VA for it. There is nothing wrong with that.

I understand you believe you’re the resident expert on all things military service related, but I was actually there… I also personally know others who received partial or full disability and monthly checks for things many would consider silly or completely unrelated to military service. It’s turned in to something almost as bad as our current disability system where if you’re persistent enough you can get your disability.

[CrabbyDaddy]

NC-17, on 20 February 2012 - 01:49 PM, said:

ask Admiral Boorda.

crap. you can't.

Met him about 6 months before he killed himself. Seemed like a good guy.

[NavyEagle#1]

Sadly disability is not enough to live off of.

Also getting a disability check is not very easy.

I will leave it at that.

Also I can't understand how someone is 100% disabled can hold down a full time job. That tells me that they really are not 100% disabled.

justgettingby, on 20 February 2012 - 03:26 PM, said:

And *that* is why I refuse to give money to anyone claiming they are a wounded veteran. I am sure this was more of an issue in wars of the past and that is extrememly sad. But when I see a 30 or 40 something year old person holding a sign claiming they are a wounded vet, I get angry. There is one in Tallahassee I see everyday, in the same spot, raking in money from people.

Granted, depending on the percentage of disability and how many dependents, it might not be that much money. But it's enough to keep 'em off the street.

This post has been edited by NavyEagle#1: 21 February 2012 - 05:57 AM

[DallasRED]

NavyEagle#1, on 21 February 2012 - 05:55 AM, said:

Sadly disability is not enough to live off of.

Also getting a disability check is not very easy.

I will leave it at that.

Also I can't understand how someone is 100% disabled can hold down a full time job. That tells me that they really are not 100% disabled.

Because he had a heart attack and can no longer serve. What is the difference between having an office job and sitting on a couch all day?

He has a Defibrillator to shock his heart when it stops beating.

He did not want to leave the Army, they made him.

[grumps]

converse, on 20 February 2012 - 08:18 PM, said:

You don't even have to be injured. I don't remember what it was, but I was offered a percentage of disability for hearing loss. The loss of hearing from when I entered to when I left met the criteria so I was offered disability. I told them I thought my hearing was fine and they confirmed that even with my "loss" I was above average for my age. I turned it down...

I know others that have it for shaving bumps. There is some medical term for it but that’s what it is... When I see members with real physical injuries that limit their ability to function on a day to day basis I think about how I could honestly not have sour thoughts about myself taking from the same pot they'll be living the rest of their lives out of.

Psuedofolloiculitis. Had problem in 70's with young marines trying to get by growing beards. Reg was no beard over 1/4 inch and 6 months to clear up or discharge.

This post has been edited by grumps: 21 February 2012 - 10:41 AM

[justgettingby]

John McCain was 100% disabled. There's a huge difference between 100% P&T disabled and 100% unemployable disabled. I'll never bemoan a servicemember for their disability. You can't tell by looking at someone what they have gone through. I don't think they should have to justify anything to anyone. It's rather tacky for someone to question it.

But I will NOT give money on a street corner to someone using service related disability as an excuse.

[PUBBY]

Tail-gunner Joe comes to mind about those who exaggerate their contributions and of course the voters of Minnesota elected him to the Senate because of it.

pubby

[LisaC]

DC...RED, on 20 February 2012 - 03:21 PM, said:

If they were injured they would get disability. My boss was medically retired and gets 100% disability but he still has an office job as a contractor. Not to mention that money is not taxed and they get it for the rest of their life.

Not to highjack the thread, but IF they were injured, they MIGHT get disability. With the VA and Social Security, you have to dig through so much red tape, that it can take years to get approved. And, especially with Social Security, it's pretty standard to have disability denied the first time you apply so many people are either forced to get an attorney, try to fight it themselves, or give up.

Back to regular programming....

[DallasRED]

LisaC, on 21 February 2012 - 11:00 AM, said:

Not to highjack the thread, but IF they were injured, they MIGHT get disability. With the VA and Social Security, you have to dig through so much red tape, that it can take years to get approved. And, especially with Social Security, it's pretty standard to have disability denied the first time you apply so many people are either forced to get an attorney, try to fight it themselves, or give up.

Back to regular programming....

When I said injured...I am talking about losing a leg arm etc or getting hurt so bad they discharge you. I am pretty sure there is no red tape to go thru..If there is THAT S A SHAME

[PWilhelm]

Not enough to live off of? Wow! You guys must live pretty high on the hog...

I know someone....ex-USAF.... collecting $88,000 a year on disability. I think I could live quite well off of that.

[LisaC]

DC...RED, on 21 February 2012 - 11:49 AM, said:

When I said injured...I am talking about losing a leg arm etc or getting hurt so bad they discharge you. I am pretty sure there is no red tape to go thru..If there is THAT S A SHAME

It is a shame because I've seen it first hand (and more than once).

PWilhelm, on 21 February 2012 - 01:06 PM, said:

Not enough to live off of? Wow! You guys must live pretty high on the hog...

I know someone....ex-USAF.... collecting $88,000 a year on disability. I think I could live quite well off of that.

Disability depends on a lot of factors - rank at the time, years of service, level of disabilty, etc. I promise, most military disability is substantially less than that.

[justgettingby]

PWilhelm, on 21 February 2012 - 01:06 PM, said:

Not enough to live off of? Wow! You guys must live pretty high on the hog...

I know someone....ex-USAF.... collecting $88,000 a year on disability. I think I could live quite well off of that.

I'm curious how they manage that. The highest rating with spouse and one child is $3037 a month. Each child thereafter is another $100 or so on top of that. Do they have 50 kids living with them? Or maybe the spouse is a disabled vet as well? Here's the 2012 amounts http://www.military....tion-rates.html Maybe they get 100% disability AND have a retirement as well? Rank has nothing to do with disability but obviously it is factored in for retirement. Otherwise I do not see how it'd be possible to make $88k in disability from the VA for one disabled vet.

This post has been edited by justgettingby: 21 February 2012 - 02:30 PM

[gog8tors]

justgettingby, on 21 February 2012 - 02:28 PM, said:

I'm curious how they manage that. The highest rating with spouse and one child is $3037 a month. Each child thereafter is another $100 or so on top of that. Do they have 50 kids living with them? Or maybe the spouse is a disabled vet as well? Here's the 2012 amounts http://www.military....tion-rates.html Maybe they get 100% disability AND have a retirement as well? Rank has nothing to do with disability but obviously it is factored in for retirement. Otherwise I do not see how it'd be possible to make $88k in disability from the VA for one disabled vet.

Thank you I was going to post the new chart.
Yes, it is a pain in the rear to get any rating. You have to file, then you have to see about 2-3 of the VA approved doctors (these doctors do not work for the VA, they only see Vets who are working on their rating.) and some of them can be butts. Then you get to wait for 3-6 mos just to get a letter that says they are working on it, after about a year you will either get a decision or you will have to go to yet another C&P. Then it goes back to the rating, then back to decision. And, round and round you go. In the mean time you are working the best you can, and taking care of your family.

Just sayin folks.

[fastpitchmom]

It may not be illegal, but it's a slap in the face to all who have served. JMO.

[dapandlap]

Is it illegal to post/lie on the internet in order to purposely mislead other posters that you are of the opposite sex?

[dapandlap]

dapandlap, on 21 February 2012 - 08:27 PM, said:

Is it illegal to post/lie on the internet in order to purposely mislead other posters that you are of the opposite sex?

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