[Orwell]

Does Dobbins MS have as many discipline problems as we hear about in other parts of the county?

[denisedaisy33]

I never had any trouble with the school with either of my children. It has been a few years, but I have neighbors kids who still are there and they are happy.

[workingforaliving]

If you don't like teaching there, you really should just leave.

[gog8tors]

I wasn't aware of any issues yet this year. My DS doesn't attend Dobbins, but I still have not heard of any issues in any of the schools this year.

[Just thinkin' hard]

I have a child there, and I sub there. I haven't heard of anything out of the normal for middle school.

[fishnthec]

They are about the same, I think. Each year it seems a different one gets branded as "the bad one" but that title moves so often it is hard to see adifference. Middle school is like a box of chocolates.

[chellie]

Personally I think its the worst school in the Co. Not all the staff is bad. There are some good teachers at DMS. I no longer have a child at that school and Im so glad I don't. I had nothing but problems when my youngest was there. It was not a behavior issue. My child has never been in trouble at school. Theres alot of attitudes at this school. I want go into details of what I had to deal with there but I did end up at the board which was a waste of time. We just moved all together! Best thing we could have ever done. We love Austin Middle School. Its like day and night in comparision.

[George W. Bush]

chellie, on 20 January 2012 - 02:27 PM, said:

Personally I think its the worst school in the Co. Not all the staff is bad. There are some good teachers at DMS. I no longer have a child at that school and Im so glad I don't. I had nothing but problems when my youngest was there. It was not a behavior issue. My child has never been in trouble at school. Theres alot of attitudes at this school. I want go into details of what I had to deal with there but I did end up at the board which was a waste of time. We just moved all together! Best thing we could have ever done. We love Austin Middle School. Its like day and night in comparision.

I'll be so glad when mine are out of the Paulding County School system!

[Just thinkin' hard]

We've been at Dobbins for 5 years now between the two kids and have one more year there. I've been very pleased with the quality of instruction, the quality of leadership, and the overall atmosphere of the school. We had the potential to be redistricted with the new middle school and, quite frankly, I had already made the decision to school choice my child back to Dobbins.

And, chellie, I have boy scout families that aren't happy at Austin and wish they were at Dobbins.

And, this conversation is exactly why we have school choice. No need to move your family - just move the kid to the school you want. !

[Moonie]

We are having problems with DMS

[zoocrew]

Orwell, on 19 January 2012 - 09:51 PM, said:

Does Dobbins MS have as many discipline problems as we hear about in other parts of the county?

All schools have the same problems. Some more than others. Some less than others. The reality is there isn't much difference. The biggest difference is the economics of the students who go there. The more the income and the higher the educational attainment of the household, the less discipline problems and the better the test scores.

[dana]

my niece is at Dobbins and she is a big role model to her kids. They really look up to her, she loves them.

workingforaliving, on 19 January 2012 - 11:08 PM, said:

If you don't like teaching there, you really should just leave.

no joke...

[Moonie]

The teachers are great and i have the utmost respect for them as well as the principal. He has been wonderful to us and we have only been there less than a month.

[bp csr]

zoocrew, on 26 March 2012 - 04:54 PM, said:

All schools have the same problems. Some more than others. Some less than others. The reality is there isn't much difference. The biggest difference is the economics of the students who go there. The more the income and the higher the educational attainment of the household, the less discipline problems and the better the test scores.

The more the income??? My husband drives in an area where there is better than average income in some cases and these kids are the ones who are the trouble makers. They have a sense of entitlement. Now I agree with you about the educational attainment of the household, but the key ingredient is the parents taking time with their kids and teaching them right from wrong and what is expected at home and in school (and hopefully on the bus!).

Has nothing to do with income. It's parenting. ACTIVE parenting.

This post has been edited by bp csr: 27 March 2012 - 09:44 PM

[hotwheels]

bp csr, on 27 March 2012 - 09:42 PM, said:

The more the income??? My husband drives in an area where there is better than average income in some cases and these kids are the ones who are the trouble makers. They have a sense of entitlement. Now I agree with you about the educational attainment of the household, but the key ingredient is the parents taking time with their kids and teaching them right from wrong and what is expected at home and in school (and hopefully on the bus!).

Has nothing to do with income. It's parenting. ACTIVE parenting.

[Akelley227]

I have 2 girls that have attended Dobbins. I still have one of them there. I have loved Dobbins so much more than Austin. In "my opinion" the quality of teachers is amazing compared to Austtin. My youngest that is in 8th grade has done so well that she applied for the Paulding County High Magnet Program. She did make it in the program. I like Dr. Ross and think he does a fine job. The teachers have taken personal interest in seeing that the kids succeed. From my perspective they have loved teaching!!!

[LisaC]

Actually, I wonder if the schools that have higher parent participation in the schools have fewer disciplinary problems? Anyone know?

[whatzup?]

If Dr. Ross is still the principal there they have a great principal and that can make a huge difference.

[SUPERMOM321]

bp csr, on 27 March 2012 - 09:42 PM, said:

The more the income??? My husband drives in an area where there is better than average income in some cases and these kids are the ones who are the trouble makers. They have a sense of entitlement. Now I agree with you about the educational attainment of the household, but the key ingredient is the parents taking time with their kids and teaching them right from wrong and what is expected at home and in school (and hopefully on the bus!).

Has nothing to do with income. It's parenting. ACTIVE parenting.

SO VERY TRUE!!

[juliesmom]

Partialism due to certain issues i'm not going into.

This post has been edited by juliesmom: 21 May 2012 - 07:36 PM

[gog8tors]

Middle school drama.

[ImurGOD]

Yes.....higher income areas have less discipline issues.

[gog8tors]

ImurGOD, on 21 May 2012 - 09:40 PM, said:

Yes.....higher income areas have less discipline issues.

Yeah, OK you keep thinking that. I wouldn't want to bust your disillusion.

[ImurGOD]

Ive worked in high end schools...and low end. It's called experience......get some.

[gog8tors]

ImurGOD, on 21 May 2012 - 10:16 PM, said:

Ive worked in high end schools...and low end. It's called experience......get some.

You know I don't have experience how? For being a newbie you sure are being a butt.

The truth of the matter is no matter how much money an area/school has or doesn't have has very little to do with how the kids act.
1) All the kids know there are no real consequences to their behavior from the school.
2) If there is no discipline in the home (monied or not) the kid has no consequences.
3) It is no longer expected that kids behave. Instead it is the exception when a kid is well behaved.
4)Parental involvement also being the exception, and not the rule.

[dana]

ImurGOD, on 21 May 2012 - 09:40 PM, said:

Yes.....higher income areas have less discipline issues.

Now how inthe world did you come to that conclusion? That is simply not true.

gog8tors, on 21 May 2012 - 10:32 PM, said:

You know I don't have experience how? For being a newbie you sure are being a butt.

The truth of the matter is no matter how much money an area/school has or doesn't have has very little to do with how the kids act.
1) All the kids know there are no real consequences to their behavior from the school.
2) If there is no discipline in the home (monied or not) the kid has no consequences.
3) It is no longer expected that kids behave. Instead it is the exception when a kid is well behaved.
4)Parental involvement also being the exception, and not the rule.

You are spot on!

[Just thinkin' hard]

Higher incomes have DIFFERENT discipline issues. Not fewer.

[Orwell]

Schools that have parents that set high goals for their kids have more achievement and better discipline. The students are motivated by the parents at home and hopefully the teachers at school to reach for higher goals and raise their achievement level. By doing this, they may be more focused on school work and less on getting in trouble.

[Just thinkin' hard]

Orwell, on 22 May 2012 - 06:20 AM, said:

Schools that have parents that set high goals for their kids have more achievement and better discipline. The students are motivated by the parents at home and hopefully the teachers at school to reach for higher goals and raise their achievement level. By doing this, they may be more focused on school work and less on getting in trouble.

Parents that set high goals do not have any direct relationship to their socioeconomic state. There are poor families that realize that education is their child's only way to get out of their life. There are rich families that are so busy working that they just give their kids more and more and have no real idea of what their kids are actually doing. The trouble that rich kids get into is just different from the trouble that poor kids get into. Usually - rich kids have issues with selling stuff, trading stuff, etc. Also - alot more subtle bullying issues.

Example - in my high school - we had a huge pot issue. We were known to be a rough predominantly black high school. But, John Carroll - the local private $15k Catholic high school - had a higher arrest rate for drugs (cocaine, heroine etc) and a higher pregnancy rate than my high school did.

There are great parents at all socioeconomic levels and there are not so great parents. THAT has nothing to do with how much money they earn.

[Orwell]

Just thinkin, on 22 May 2012 - 06:40 AM, said:

Parents that set high goals do not have any direct relationship to their socioeconomic state. There are poor families that realize that education is their child's only way to get out of their life. There are rich families that are so busy working that they just give their kids more and more and have no real idea of what their kids are actually doing. The trouble that rich kids get into is just different from the trouble that poor kids get into. Usually - rich kids have issues with selling stuff, trading stuff, etc. Also - alot more subtle bullying issues.

Example - in my high school - we had a huge pot issue. We were known to be a rough predominantly black high school. But, John Carroll - the local private $15k Catholic high school - had a higher arrest rate for drugs (cocaine, heroine etc) and a higher pregnancy rate than my high school did.

There are great parents at all socioeconomic levels and there are not so great parents. THAT has nothing to do with how much money they earn.

Two schools I will compare:
High school number one only had 51% of the parents finish high school and those parents were considered lower middle class based on income. Many of the kids were in the "reduced lunch" program. The high school students scored low on the graduation test and had high drop-out rates and high teen pregnancy rates. There were frequent fights and poor behavior by students.

High school number two had a high majority of the parents with a college degree with incomes that averaged in the upper middle class or better. Very few students were in the "reduced lunch" program. A high majority of the students passed the graduation test. Drop-out rate and teen pregnancy rate were very, very low. Only incidental instances of fighting, disruption, etc in the school.

[gog8tors]

Just thinkin, on 22 May 2012 - 06:40 AM, said:

Parents that set high goals do not have any direct relationship to their socioeconomic state. There are poor families that realize that education is their child's only way to get out of their life. There are rich families that are so busy working that they just give their kids more and more and have no real idea of what their kids are actually doing. The trouble that rich kids get into is just different from the trouble that poor kids get into. Usually - rich kids have issues with selling stuff, trading stuff, etc. Also - a lot more subtle bullying issues.

Example - in my high school - we had a huge pot issue. We were known to be a rough predominantly black high school. But, John Carroll - the local private $15k Catholic high school - had a higher arrest rate for drugs (cocaine, heroine etc) and a higher pregnancy rate than my high school did.

There are great parents at all socioeconomic levels and there are not so great parents. THAT has nothing to do with how much money they earn.

Sounds like no matter how you cut it, the PARENTAL involvement is the biggest difference. One thing I do wonder tho is, how does a two parent house hold effect out comes.

We had the same issue back home. My high school was the one where every body was rough. It was also the public high school for the very rich area on the other side of the inter-coastal. We had kids from that side that had these super rich parents, but they had been kicked out of all of the super expensive private schools. Funny thing is they were most often the ring leaders in anything wrong that was going on.

We also had a very expensive private school near my neighborhood. They were known for their drug, and pregnancy issues as well. Also many of their discipline issues. I know that for a fact because many of the families went to the same church as my family.

My DS and I were talking about the kids that tend to get into trouble, and tend to bully. I asked him why he thought that these kids acted like this. After getting past the "their jerks" part he also stated that divorce, and not having two parents around seemed to be the issue. Keep in mind this is a 12yr old boy. He keeps to himself, and doesn't cause any problems. We as parents have never stated anything about single parenting vs two parenting. I just found it interesting that he noticed this on his own.

[ImurGOD]

A school like Shelton, Abney or Burnt Hickory gets far less discipline referrals than a Title I school on the southside. You will be ignorant and plain wrong if you disagree. Again.....get experience.

[gog8tors]

ImurGOD, on 22 May 2012 - 07:11 PM, said:

A school like Shelton, Abney or Burnt Hickory gets far less discipline referrals than a Title I school on the southside. You will be ignorant and plain wrong if you disagree. Again.....get experience.

Psst. all Paulding co. schools are title 1. Again how do you know I don't have experience?

[jmea]

gog8tors, on 22 May 2012 - 08:22 PM, said:

Psst. all Paulding co. schools are title 1. Again how do you know I don't have experience?

Since when? There are 9 out of 20 Paulding county title 1 elementary schools.

This post has been edited by jmea: 22 May 2012 - 09:34 PM

[gog8tors]

jmea, on 22 May 2012 - 09:29 PM, said:

Since when? I know of about 5 elementary title 1 schools.

Checking for links.

This post has been edited by gog8tors: 22 May 2012 - 09:37 PM

[gog8tors]

http://www.brighthub...-title-1-funds/


The basic principles of Title 1 state that schools with large concentrations of low-income students will receive supplemental funds to assist in meeting student’s educational goals. Low-income students are determined by the number of students enrolled in the free and reduced lunch program. For an entire school to qualify for Title 1 funds, at least 40% of students must enroll in the free and reduced lunch program.

I'm still looking for a list, but I'm going to bed for now. I have a friend that will have that info and will get it from her.

[fishnthec]

Discipline is an issue at all schools now. There is really no options for teachers and administrators as far as discipline is concerned. The kids figure this out very quickly. Parent involvement can help but only the right kind of parent involvement. Unfortunately most of the parents that I have been involved with are not backing the teachers and their decisions. They are bailing their kids out of troubel with threats and accusations. If a child is at home hearing about how bad the the teachers are then they are going to have no respect for them at school. It is a terrible situation and unfortunately creating so many discipline problems in class that the kids who are well behaved are not getting the education that they deserve.

[NC-17]

Just thinkin, on 22 May 2012 - 05:47 AM, said:

Higher incomes have DIFFERENT discipline issues. Not fewer.

i was married to the resource officer at Harrison. buncha discipline problems there.

[ImurGOD]

All schools are Title I?? Shelton is not Title I. Burnt Hickory is not Title I. Abney is not Title I. You have no experience because you have no clue about education.

This post has been edited by ImurGOD: 23 May 2012 - 09:21 PM

[gog8tors]

ImurGOD, on 23 May 2012 - 09:15 PM, said:

All schools are Title I?? Shelton is not Title I. Burnt Hickory is not Title I. Abney is not Title I. You have no experience because you have no clue about education.

Your one of "those" people. Be careful the air is awfully thin up there.

I never stated I had experience in education. I never said I had experience in the classroom. What I do know is kids in general, and the issues at many schools. I don't have to be in a classroom. To bad your so jaded in your profession that you can not accept that even a lay person may have a differant experiance then you.
I do have friends of all educational back grounds. I do spend time in my child's school, and I also volunteer with my child's sports program. Therefore I am quite well acquainted with different kids at all income levels. And, in my limited experience I know it is the level of parental involvement. Money has nothing to do with the behavior issues.

As far as the title one schools. The statement was made at the beginning of the school year. It's possiable that the percentage of reduced/free lunch for the schools mentioned dropped below 40%.