[bp csr]

Last week my hubby's new bus had cuts in the seats. This is a new bus that we, the taxpayers, are purchasing for our little darlings to be transported to and from school as safely as possible.

When cleaning his bus, he thinks he found the object the culprit used - the blade out of a plastic pencil sharpener. These things are razor sharp and the kids could use them as weapons. It's something that they can easily carry to school in their backpack whereas a knife (even a dull one) would be considered a weapon and they would be suspended. But a pencil sharpener????? He found that the kids are stomping on them to break the plastic from around them and using the blades for something other than sharpening pencils (apparently). He found the broken pieces of plastic, also.

Did anybody else know about these things before now? What if this catches on and the kids start slicing each other with these harmless little pencil sharpeners??? These little razor sharpies could cause serious injuries.

Just a note in case you didn't know about these......

[SPORTS SOURCE]

Just goes to show IF a child wants to be destructive to person or property they WILL find a way to do it. SAD and DANGEROUS!!

[A Gipper Girl]

SPORTS SOURCE, on 02 October 2011 - 10:47 PM, said:

Just goes to show IF a child wants to be destructive to person or property they WILL find a way to do it. SAD and DANGEROUS!!

Yes and common sense is LONG gone in the government schools. They go about things such as the "no tolerance" rule totally backwards. I cannot get started on the ignorance lest my head shall explode.

I will add this...when I was that age, I would have rather the school tell the police than to tell my parents! Parents are serving their rotten children now, afraid of them in a lot of instances. Makes me .

[SPORTS SOURCE]

Gipper Girl Rocks, on 02 October 2011 - 10:54 PM, said:

Yes and common sense is LONG gone in the government schools. They go about things such as the "no tolerance" rule totally backwards. I cannot get started on the ignorance lest my head shall explode.

I will add this...when I was that age, I would have rather the school tell the police than to tell my parents! Parents are serving their rotten children now, afraid of them in a lot of instances. Makes me .

Don't you know it???????? OUCH!!!

[A Gipper Girl]

SPORTS SOURCE, on 02 October 2011 - 11:08 PM, said:

Don't you know it???????? OUCH!!!

Yep. I wouldve known that at least the police wouldnt kill me...

[justgettingby]

They are like little inmates, fashioning their own shanks.

[Gone]

bp csr, on 02 October 2011 - 10:40 PM, said:

Last week my hubby's new bus had cuts in the seats. This is a new bus that we, the taxpayers, are purchasing for our little darlings to be transported to and from school as safely as possible.

When cleaning his bus, he thinks he found the object the culprit used - the blade out of a plastic pencil sharpener. These things are razor sharp and the kids could use them as weapons. It's something that they can easily carry to school in their backpack whereas a knife (even a dull one) would be considered a weapon and they would be suspended. But a pencil sharpener????? He found that the kids are stomping on them to break the plastic from around them and using the blades for something other than sharpening pencils (apparently). He found the broken pieces of plastic, also.

Did anybody else know about these things before now? What if this catches on and the kids start slicing each other with these harmless little pencil sharpeners??? These little razor sharpies could cause serious injuries.

Just a note in case you didn't know about these......

Request the bus barn to pull the hard drive,see if the camera caught the little hoodlum.Make the parents pay.

[LisaC]

thedeerslayer, on 02 October 2011 - 11:20 PM, said:

Request the bus barn to pull the hard drive,see if the camera caught the little hoodlum.Make the parents pay.

WHAT?!? You want the parents to accept responsibility for the actions of a child?

[bp csr]

Last year his bus was vandalized also, he made pictures, took them to the school, and he doesn't know until this day whether or not the vandal was forced to pay for the seats.

More than worrying about the seats, he's worried that one child will hurt another. It's not unreasonable to think that these kids would cut another one if they were angry enough. Too bad for the good kids, huh?

[CrabbyDaddy]

Kids are stupid!

[PUBBY]

Gipper Girl Rocks, on 02 October 2011 - 10:54 PM, said:

Yes and common sense is LONG gone in the government schools. They go about things such as the "no tolerance" rule totally backwards. I cannot get started on the ignorance lest my head shall explode.

I will add this...when I was that age, I would have rather the school tell the police than to tell my parents! Parents are serving their rotten children now, afraid of them in a lot of instances. Makes me .

I think you probably hit the nail on the head. Today's parents are yesteryears teens and we know that they were too often, well, physically abused by their parents - hence the fear and also the rules that we face today. (You can get thrown in jail today for doing what the parents of yesteryear did with impunity.)

The tables have turned. Because of their perceived abuse, many of today's parents do what they would have wanted their parents do ... which is show them unconditional love and support and take the kids side against the authority rather than endorse and actually become the executioner of authority as some of our parents did.

We need to get back to something approaching moderation ... because the child abuse of the past which came from the attitude that the kid was property (and could be abused in any manner of way) is wrong too.

I will note that parents need to be authorities and do need to set limits and rules. I think most kids need to understand that those limits and rules are based on that love and understanding and to expect the government or any of its agents to express that kind of love and understanding is a stretch. Sometimes you'll see compassion and understanding but you would have better odds winning ten blackjack hands in a row in Vegas than to get have the right thing done consistently.

The horrible thing is that if you're thrown in jail - innocent or guilty - there is a high likelihood you'll be raped or assaulted by the other baddies ... and they'll get off basically scott free.

pubby

[markdavd]

PUBBY, on 03 October 2011 - 10:40 AM, said:

I think you probably hit the nail on the head. Today's parents are yesteryears teens and we know that they were too often, well, physically abused by their parents - hence the fear and also the rules that we face today. (You can get thrown in jail today for doing what the parents of yesteryear did with impunity.)
-snip-

Actually, today's parents are the ones who were raised without a good spanking or other psychical punishment. They were thought to believe that a smack or spank was abuse. As punishment, were grounded, put in 'time out' or given other not-physical consequences to their behavior.

These are the ones who are now are raising their children without any consequences to bad behavior.

[gog8tors]

PUBBY, on 03 October 2011 - 10:40 AM, said:

I think you probably hit the nail on the head. Today's parents are yesteryears teens and we know that they were too often, well, physically abused by their parents - hence the fear and also the rules that we face today. (You can get thrown in jail today for doing what the parents of yesteryear did with impunity.)

The tables have turned. Because of their perceived abuse, many of today's parents do what they would have wanted their parents do ... which is show them unconditional love and support and take the kids side against the authority rather than endorse and actually become the executioner of authority as some of our parents did.

We need to get back to something approaching moderation ... because the child abuse of the past which came from the attitude that the kid was property (and could be abused in any manner of way) is wrong too.

I will note that parents need to be authorities and do need to set limits and rules. I think most kids need to understand that those limits and rules are based on that love and understanding and to expect the government or any of its agents to express that kind of love and understanding is a stretch. Sometimes you'll see compassion and understanding but you would have better odds winning ten blackjack hands in a row in Vegas than to get have the right thing done consistently.

The horrible thing is that if you're thrown in jail - innocent or guilty - there is a high likelihood you'll be raped or assaulted by the other baddies ... and they'll get off basically scott free.

pubby

Not near as many as the media and statements like yours would have us think. Thank you mamby pamby "parenting" books.

I was told by a school administrator last week that about 90% of our kids are "good" it's the 10% that keeps getting all the attention. I have found that to be true.

[A Gipper Girl]

PUBBY, on 03 October 2011 - 10:40 AM, said:

I think you probably hit the nail on the head. Today's parents are yesteryears teens and we know that they were too often, well, physically abused by their parents - hence the fear and also the rules that we face today. (You can get thrown in jail today for doing what the parents of yesteryear did with impunity.)

The tables have turned. Because of their perceived abuse, many of today's parents do what they would have wanted their parents do ... which is show them unconditional love and support and take the kids side against the authority rather than endorse and actually become the executioner of authority as some of our parents did.

We need to get back to something approaching moderation ... because the child abuse of the past which came from the attitude that the kid was property (and could be abused in any manner of way) is wrong too.

I will note that parents need to be authorities and do need to set limits and rules. I think most kids need to understand that those limits and rules are based on that love and understanding and to expect the government or any of its agents to express that kind of love and understanding is a stretch. Sometimes you'll see compassion and understanding but you would have better odds winning ten blackjack hands in a row in Vegas than to get have the right thing done consistently.

The horrible thing is that if you're thrown in jail - innocent or guilty - there is a high likelihood you'll be raped or assaulted by the other baddies ... and they'll get off basically scott free.

pubby

Thanks for that, Pubby and I agree.
My parents, in my opinion, struck the perfect balance of discipline and reasoning. They were unmovable on the big things but always said "if it isnt dangerous, immoral or hurting anyone else, why not let your children do it as long as they are doing what they should(good grades. helping at home, good attitude,etc)?".
So while they were very unbending on some things, they were always very very clear on what those things were and they made great believers out of us. If they said they were going to do __________ if we ______________, you could bet your very life on it that they would follow thru every single time, whether positive or negative to us. That formed a great trust between us and also gave us the freedom to be kids KNOWING the rules without question and KNOWING our parents had eyes everywhere.
They called it "healthy fear". This is obselete today. People view those words as a bad thing. These same two people became our best friends as adults and the first ones we both run to for advice and support. It certainly did not make us resent them, but love and respect them.

[George W. Bush]

School officials often have an arrogance about them that is disgusting. They act as if all kids are criminals and all parents are whiners. I have no respect for our government school leadership.

[Just thinkin' hard]

Angel Eyes, on 03 October 2011 - 01:27 PM, said:

School officials often have an arrogance about them that is disgusting. They act as if all kids are criminals and all parents are whiners. I have no respect for our government school leadership.

Geez. Why aren't I shocked at this point? I guess you're already a Debbie Downer for Mr. Fincher, huh?

Personally, I wish my principal would take on some of my home discipline issues. He does such a great job at school - he could take some of the work load off me at home.

[fishnthec]

gog8tors, on 03 October 2011 - 12:04 PM, said:

Not near as many as the media and statements like yours would have us think. Thank you mamby pamby "parenting" books.

I was told by a school administrator last week that about 90% of our kids are "good" it's the 10% that keeps getting all the attention. I have found that to be true.

Of course the administrator would say that, they don't want you to know what is really going on in the school. Of course it may have been an elementary admin. the ratio of bad to good is lower the younger they are. Try working in the middle or high schools for a few years. I did, and I promise you that 9 to 1 ratio is way off. There are good kids, I am not denying that, but they are fast becoming the minority.

Having said that, I do not agree in whole with what Pubby said either. I think the perception of abuse and what was really abuse is not even close. Parents need to be in charge and if that takes a good butt whoopin' then so be it. I lived to tell.

[gog8tors]

fishnthec, on 03 October 2011 - 07:30 PM, said:

Of course the administrator would say that, they don't want you to know what is really going on in the school. Of course it may have been an elementary admin. the ratio of bad to good is lower the younger they are. Try working in the middle or high schools for a few years. I did, and I promise you that 9 to 1 ratio is way off. There are good kids, I am not denying that, but they are fast becoming the minority.

Having said that, I do not agree in whole with what Pubby said either. I think the perception of abuse and what was really abuse is not even close. Parents need to be in charge and if that takes a good butt whoopin' then so be it. I lived to tell.

Actually it was an unsolicited statement by a high school administrator. I too think that it's maybe 10% that are hoodlums. By the time they get to high school the trouble makers are already marked. Of course they had to terrorize the elementary and middle school first.

What I do know is my kids have a healthy fear of DH and me.

[bob0540]

The driver of the new bus, should go to the bus barn, and get the oldest bus on the yard. Drive it for a few days, talling the kids if they distroy the new equipment the county bought for them, then this will be their ride for a while.

[bp csr]

bob0540, on 04 October 2011 - 02:28 AM, said:

The driver of the new bus, should go to the bus barn, and get the oldest bus on the yard. Drive it for a few days, talling the kids if they distroy the new equipment the county bought for them, then this will be their ride for a while.

I actually like this idea myself and have suggested that also. This is not unique to his bus. He said there are a lot of busses that have ripped seats, leading me to believe that his kids aren't the worst in the county.

[littlebit]

Angel Eyes, on 03 October 2011 - 01:27 PM, said:

School officials often have an arrogance about them that is disgusting. They act as if all kids are criminals and all parents are whiners. I have no respect for our government school leadership.

Amen to that!

[tbird]

Angel Eyes, on 03 October 2011 - 01:27 PM, said:

School officials often have an arrogance about them that is disgusting. They act as if all kids are criminals and all parents are whiners. I have no respect for our government school leadership.

Why am I not surprised???? Cause you did not get your way with one school and administrator---you are downing all of them???

What is it they say??? Consider the source???

[dana]

Angel Eyes, on 03 October 2011 - 01:27 PM, said:

School officials often have an arrogance about them that is disgusting. They act as if all kids are criminals and all parents are whiners. I have no respect for our government school leadership.

That has not been my experience at all. We've been through elementary school and I now have a middle schooler as well as a highschooler. I am in constant communication and am also involved. I am in the trenches, I see what goes on. Who are you to speak for ALL school officials?

What specific examples do you have?? I dont do broad generalities. Could the problem possibly have anything to do with you?

This post has been edited by dana: 09 October 2011 - 10:59 AM

[MrsB]

Honestly, I think the generation before mine is the one that was/is lax (sp?) in punishment. I saw or read somewhere recently that there seems to be a change in discipline. I know when I was young, I got spanked - not often, but I was. There was no "time out". I was put in the corner. I also had to "pick a switch" once. Among my peers, around the age of 30, they all seem to take that same approach.

On the other hand, I saw on The Doctors the other day one of them said to ignore your child if he/she throws a temper tantrum. Um, BabyB is not old enough for that yet, but we will just see how that goes. Lol I don't think I will be able to do that.

[tbird]

MrsB, on 09 October 2011 - 11:13 AM, said:

Honestly, I think the generation before mine is the one that was/is lax (sp?) in punishment. I saw or read somewhere recently that there seems to be a change in discipline. I know when I was young, I got spanked - not often, but I was. There was no "time out". I was put in the corner. I also had to "pick a switch" once. Among my peers, around the age of 30, they all seem to take that same approach.

On the other hand, I saw on The Doctors the other day one of them said to ignore your child if he/she throws a temper tantrum. Um, BabyB is not old enough for that yet, but we will just see how that goes. Lol I don't think I will be able to do that.

That is true to some extent. My oldest (at about 2 yrs old) would pitch a fit and hold his breath. Of course--I would freak out. The pediatrician told me just to ignore him--that he would pass out (only for a second) and hit the floor and then that would scare him so bad that he would not do it again. It worked!! Was the hardest thing to do, but it worked!!

[NY Gal]

markdavd, on 03 October 2011 - 10:55 AM, said:

Actually, today's parents are the ones who were raised without a good spanking or other psychical punishment. They were thought to believe that a smack or spank was abuse. As punishment, were grounded, put in 'time out' or given other not-physical consequences to their behavior.

These are the ones who are now are raising their children without any consequences to bad behavior.

Amen! I have been saying that for YEARS!!!!

BTW, it is NOT against the law to discipline your child. It is against the law to beat the crap out of them, though.

Clarify that to be today's YOUNGER parents. I am nearly 50 with small children, and I parent the same way my parents did me in the 60s and 70s. My kids are turning out ok...........

[Mariposa]

gog8tors, on 03 October 2011 - 12:04 PM, said:

Not near as many as the media and statements like yours would have us think. Thank you mamby pamby "parenting" books.

I was told by a school administrator last week that about 90% of our kids are "good" it's the 10% that keeps getting all the attention. I have found that to be true.

I think the percentage is higher than 10%.

[Mariposa]

Angel Eyes, on 03 October 2011 - 01:27 PM, said:

School officials often have an arrogance about them that is disgusting. They act as if all kids are criminals and all parents are whiners. I have no respect for our government school leadership.

I'm sure your kids also have no respect for the administrators and teachers which is probably at the root of your whole problem with the schools. You have taught them not to have respect, so you're bitter at the system. No one is forcing you to send your kids to the "government schools." If you can't afford private, home school, if its that bad. I'm sure the teachers and administrators would be happy as well.

[Gone]

Mariposa, on 09 October 2011 - 07:08 PM, said:

I'm sure your kids also have no respect for the administrators and teachers which is probably at the root of your whole problem with the schools. You have taught them not to have respect, so you're bitter at the system. No one is forcing you to send your kids to the "government schools." If you can't afford private, home school, if its that bad. I'm sure the teachers and administrators would be happy as well.

Never happen
Who would AE blame then?....

[dana]

thedeerslayer, on 09 October 2011 - 07:17 PM, said:

Never happen
Who would AE blame then?....

[gog8tors]

Miss AE why do you still teach? Why are you still a part of the school system you so vehemently hate?

[Far West]

tbird, on 09 October 2011 - 11:23 AM, said:

That is true to some extent. My oldest (at about 2 yrs old) would pitch a fit and hold his breath. Of course--I would freak out. The pediatrician told me just to ignore him--that he would pass out (only for a second) and hit the floor and then that would scare him so bad that he would not do it again. It worked!! Was the hardest thing to do, but it worked!!

I was told a story from a mother of my husband’s friend.

Her son is now a 45 year old man.... but as a boy he would hold his breath and turn blue. As you can imagine mom panicked.

She asked the pediatrician about it … he told her we have never lost one yet!

He explained that once they pass out they start to breathe again so they can not die from doing this.

Dad was smarter ... one night at the dinner table the child chose to take them all hostage with the holding the breath turning blue routine. Dad took the glass of water that was on the table and splashed it in his son's face. That creates a reflex to breathe in (from the unexpectedness) ...retuning the child to his correct color ... and mom said he never pulled that again!

[Greatma]

CrabbyDaddy, on 03 October 2011 - 10:37 AM, said:

Kids are stupid!

They are just as stupid as their parents?????

Angel Eyes, on 03 October 2011 - 01:27 PM, said:

School officials often have an arrogance about them that is disgusting. They act as if all kids are criminals and all parents are whiners. I have no respect for our government school leadership.

I don't think you have respect for anyone, not even yourself.

[George W. Bush]

BMR, on 10 October 2011 - 05:24 AM, said:

I don't think you have respect for anyone, not even yourself.

Attacking me for having the audacity to speak about incompetent school administrators at PCHS...priceless.

There's finally a new principal and athletic director at PCHS and there's finally a sense of relief among students, parents and staff. I still don't trust the Board of Education though. Too many times they have let our kids down.

This post has been edited by Angel Eyes: 10 October 2011 - 07:58 AM

[JerryLovedLSU]

markdavd, on 03 October 2011 - 10:55 AM, said:

Actually, today's parents are the ones who were raised without a good spanking or other psychical punishment. They were thought to believe that a smack or spank was abuse. As punishment, were grounded, put in 'time out' or given other not-physical consequences to their behavior.

These are the ones who are now are raising their children without any consequences to bad behavior.

Watch the broad brush, chief.

[Greatma]

Angel Eyes, on 10 October 2011 - 07:33 AM, said:

Attacking me for having the audacity to speak about incompetent school administrators at PCHS...priceless.

There's finally a new principal and athletic director at PCHS and there's finally a sense of relief among students, parents and staff. I still don't trust the Board of Education though. Too many times they have let our kids down.

I have never had a problem talking to any Board employees, I find they are always
bending over backwards to help our parents to the best of their ability.

[Blazing Saddles]

markdavd, on 03 October 2011 - 10:55 AM, said:

Actually, today's parents are the ones who were raised without a good spanking or other psychical punishment. They were thought to believe that a smack or spank was abuse. As punishment, were grounded, put in 'time out' or given other not-physical consequences to their behavior.

These are the ones who are now are raising their children without any consequences to bad behavior.

Exactly. Some people refuse to take responsibility even when they write. Kids today and society in general are reaping the benefits of the hippie craze of the 60's where free love and all the pot you can smoke is the norm. They believed and taught that 'experience' is the best way to grow up. Forget the consequences as long as you get to 'experience' it. I'm with you Mark, maybe if some folks were spanked more as a child then we wouldn't have to put up with their diatribes.

[jenilyn]

Weird. i've never hit my kid and she is very well behaved, always has been. I was spanked as a child and ended up doing drugs at 15 and pregnant at 19. It is possible to be a good parent without resorting to violence. The problem I see with some of my friends with horrible children is empty threats. Parents don't follow through with punishments anymore out of laziness. or they don't want their kids to be mad at them.

[JerryLovedLSU]

jenilyn, on 26 October 2011 - 09:13 AM, said:

Weird. i've never hit my kid and she is very well behaved, always has been. I was spanked as a child and ended up doing drugs at 15 and pregnant at 19. It is possible to be a good parent without resorting to violence. The problem I see with some of my friends with horrible children is empty threats. Parents don't follow through with punishments anymore out of laziness. or they don't want their kids to be mad at them.

Every generation wants to think that theirs is better than the next one.

What they don't realize is that they are the ones who raised that next generation.

There is no tried and true formula to how people are gonna turn out.

[Greatma]

jenilyn, on 26 October 2011 - 09:13 AM, said:

Weird. i've never hit my kid and she is very well behaved, always has been. I was spanked as a child and ended up doing drugs at 15 and pregnant at 19. It is possible to be a good parent without resorting to violence. The problem I see with some of my friends with horrible children is empty threats. Parents don't follow through with punishments anymore out of laziness. or they don't want their kids to be mad at them.

If a child know he will be punished for not behaving, whether it be a spanking or whatever you choose.
The child is going to behave most of the time, because they know you will do what you say. Threats
don't accomplish anything.