DISCLAIMER....I did not mean this come off as harsh as it is...
I am wondering what people think....here are my thoughts.
I had an ESEP child and do not think the money and resources are used correctly in PCSD.
I see more services and funds thrown at children that will never hold a job, pay taxes, or live on their own. I wonder why resources are not used more for the children that will give back to society. Why? Why are funds being wasted on one-on-one para's, OT, CBI tribs, etc? I know some children need these services, by why is it that PCSD, has to pay, when they can not afford books, sports, reading enrichment, math enrichment, band, chorus, etc.
I do not think any children should suffer in education, while we give more to ESEP kids. (notice, I am a parent of an ESEP kids, or was)
This post has been edited by overit: 23 July 2011 - 09:47 AM
I think many people (myself included before I became an educator) hear the term special Ed and think only of children with severe and profound disabilities. However, the ESEP umbrella runs the gamut from severe and profound to mild learning disability (there are 13 different classifications).
Money is given to these programs because these children have as much right to a 'free and adequate' education as any other child. Would you really choose to take money away from helping these children receive an education and throw it at band, chorus, or athletics, as you assert in your first post?
This post has been edited by ktan458: 23 July 2011 - 09:23 AM
I am wondering what people think....here are my thoughts.
I had an ESEP child and do not think the money and resources are used correctly in PCSD.
I see more services and funds thrown at children that will never hold a job, pay taxes, or live on their own. I wonder why resources are not used more for the children that will give back to society. Why? Why are funds being wasted on one-on-one para's, OT, CBI tribs, etc? I know some children need these services, by why is it that PCSD, has to pay, when they can not afford books, sports, reading enrichment, math enrichment, band, chorus, etc.
I do not think any children should suffer in education, while we give more to ESEP kids. (notice, I am a parent of an ESEP kids, or was)
People need to really educate themselves on how education funds trickle down. Funds come from federal, state, and local resources. This money is all designated for specific purposes. Most ESEP funding comes from the federal level. Under IDEA, students with disabilities have the same rights to an education as the other students. I have seen many students with disabilities move on from high school and get jobs.
No, in my home state there are 2 different centers for ESEP children. The centers take the childs disability and work completely on their skills. Examples, washing clothes, cooking dinner, job skills, teams sports,counting money, etc. Let me see if I can get a link.
Also, I do like the program one school in GA has been doing. The coffee shop, I can not remember what county. But it's a great idea!
This post has been edited by overit: 23 July 2011 - 09:36 AM
I think many people (myself included before I became an educator) hear the term special Ed and think only of children with severe and profound disabilities. However, the ESEP umbrella runs the gamut from severe and profound to mild learning disability (there are 13 different classifications).
Money is given to these programs because these children have as much right to a 'free and adequate' education as any other child. Would you really choose to take money away from helping these children receive an education and throw it at band, chorus, or athletics, as you assert in your first post?
My link I worked as a para, and think places like the link , are better for the children. I know they need an education, it's their right, but on flip side are we really helping? Are they really being helped, or just pushed on to the next level, school, teacher. I know I never felt like I had enough training to do my job correctly.
I know people are very passionate over this subject. I really don't want this topic to turn into a hateful bashing....I want people to discuss it, without fighting.
People need to really educate themselves on how education funds trickle down. Funds come from federal, state, and local resources. This money is all designated for specific purposes. Most ESEP funding comes from the federal level. Under IDEA, students with disabilities have the same rights to an education as the other students. I have seen many students with disabilities move on from high school and get jobs.
The number of children having autismn continues to go up. Yes we do need to educate ESEP kids, but is there enough funds for that? Can the school district handle the number of children coming in? What can we do, what is needed?
People need to really educate themselves on how education funds trickle down. Funds come from federal, state, and local resources. This money is all designated for specific purposes. Most ESEP funding comes from the federal level. Under IDEA, students with disabilities have the same rights to an education as the other students. I have seen many students with disabilities move on from high school and get jobs.
Thank you! My child is in ESEP right now and will be probly for a few more years. He is smart as a whip but has a speech disability! If it weren't for programs like this my child would be suffering more than he is. I GREATLY appreciate programs like this and will support them till I die. My child deserves the same attention as any other child gets. It gives my child an opportunity to do things he might not elsewhere. I believe the ESEP is helping him in SO many ways, and he will be a successful man when he is grown!
The number of children having autismn continues to go up. Yes we do need to educate ESEP kids, but is there enough funds for that? Can the school district handle the number of children coming in? What can we do, what is needed?
As far as having enough funds.....again, these funds mainly come from the federal level. Ask the President or one of your US Senators where the money comes from and how long it will last. They have ALL of the answers.(sarcasm) Yes, I believe the school district is doing a great job of handling ESEP but there is always more work to be done. They amount of money depends on those "wise men" (sarcasm again) at the federal level.
My son goes on the CBI trips. And yes, I am very upset that it could be cut out this year. I know how important this program is for my son. he goes 2 days a week to work. One day could be McD's, IHOP, Kroger, Marshalls or any number of places. He may pack the happy meal toys in the bags, clean mirrors, roll silverware, or even just picking up things that shoppers drop in the wrong spot and will put them back where they go. This may seem very small to most people but this is job training for my son. He loves it and he actually takes pride in his work.
My son gets no check from the gov't, no walfare, and is being taught to be a productive citizen when he is an adult. He is 15 now. So he will need to be able to hold a job very soon. So yes, I feel this is as important as any child who takes foreign language, or band, art or whatever they need to have their career.
Of course, you can throw my son in a room and not teach him any skills....then you can just send him a check for his whole adult life. I personally would rather him hold a job and be a productive citizen. But what do I know.
My son goes on the CBI trips. And yes, I am very upset that it could be cut out this year. I know how important this program is for my son. he goes 2 days a week to work. One day could be McD's, IHOP, Kroger, Marshalls or any number of places. He may pack the happy meal toys in the bags, clean mirrors, roll silverware, or even just picking up things that shoppers drop in the wrong spot and will put them back where they go. This may seem very small to most people but this is job training for my son. He loves it and he actually takes pride in his work.
My son gets no check from the gov't, no walfare, and is being taught to be a productive citizen when he is an adult. He is 15 now. So he will need to be able to hold a job very soon. So yes, I feel this is as important as any child who takes foreign language, or band, art or whatever they need to have their career.
Of course, you can throw my son in a room and not teach him any skills....then you can just send him a check for his whole adult life. I personally would rather him hold a job and be a productive citizen. But what do I know.
Do you feel as a parent that his educational needs are being meet? Do you think your son is getting the best service he can possible get? Does it provide life skills, for later in life?
I am not being hateful, I am seeking insight for all levels in ESEP. I feel the program, was just not a good fit for our family. And I in no way, feel you should throw any child in a room and not teach them. I apologize if that's how it came off. I want to know what is a better placement, what can done for us to have books, serve all children correctly, etc.
This post has been edited by overit: 23 July 2011 - 11:00 AM
I really tried to stay out of this subject when I saw it being discussed in the thread about AYP because I get too frustrated. People do need to educate themselves on what it means to be in the ESEP system. Like some of the above posters said you can be an ESEP student simply because you are receive speech services. You can also have an IEP because due to OHI (Other Health Impairment). I also believe that just because some people may not believe an ESEP student deserves the right to receive a quality education and then work at McDonald's or bag groceries somewhere, does not mean they do not deserve to receive one. Like the other poster said, let's make them productive as possible or we can mail those with disabilities a check so they can support themselves. I am sure we have all seen many kids without IEP's receive a great education and have lots of resources only to be screw ups who live off of the system their whole lives simply because they lack motivation and just do not care. We cannot withhold an education based on what we believe to be the potential of the individual. And no I do not think that most of our ESEP funds are used correctly.
I really tried to stay out of this subject when I saw it being discussed in the thread about AYP because I get too frustrated. People do need to educate themselves on what it means to be in the ESEP system. Like some of the above posters said you can be an ESEP student simply because you are receive speech services. You can also have an IEP because due to OHI (Other Health Impairment). I also believe that just because some people may not believe an ESEP student deserves the right to receive a quality education and then work at McDonald's or bag groceries somewhere, does not mean they do not deserve to receive one. Like the other poster said, let's make them productive as possible or we can mail those with disabilities a check so they can support themselves. I am sure we have all seen many kids without IEP's receive a great education and have lots of resources only to be screw ups who live off of the system their whole lives simply because they lack motivation and just do not care. We cannot withhold an education based on what we believe to be the potential of the individual. And no I do not think that most of our ESEP funds are used correctly.
Bagging groceries and McDonald's in my eyes, does mean giving back to society, it's a job.
Can you give some insight into what you think the funds should be used on?
Do you feel as a parent that his educational needs are being meet? Do you think your son is getting the best service he can possible get? Does it provide life skills, for later in life?I am not being hateful, I am seeking insight for all levels in ESEP. I feel the program, was just not a good fit for our family. And I in no way, feel you should throw any child in a room and not teach them. I apologize if that's how it came off. I want to know what is a better placement, what can done for us to have books, serve all children correctly, etc.
My son is non-verbal, has Down Syndrome, and has lots of other things going on. But yes, I feel he is getting a good education with very caring teachers and para pros. (thanks HHS). I don't care if my child has to use a calculator to do math, or if he knows where Russia is on a map, or if he can understand the table of elements. What I care about is that he can go to a job as an adult and do the best he can to make a living.
I also know that he will always have to live with us. So don't have to worry about that unless hubby and I pass away.
dallasmama, on 23 July 2011 - 10:52 AM, said:
I really tried to stay out of this subject when I saw it being discussed in the thread about AYP because I get too frustrated. People do need to educate themselves on what it means to be in the ESEP system. Like some of the above posters said you can be an ESEP student simply because you are receive speech services. You can also have an IEP because due to OHI (Other Health Impairment). I also believe that just because some people may not believe an ESEP student deserves the right to receive a quality education and then work at McDonald's or bag groceries somewhere, does not mean they do not deserve to receive one. Like the other poster said, let's make them productive as possible or we can mail those with disabilities a check so they can support themselves. I am sure we have all seen many kids without IEP's receive a great education and have lots of resources only to be screw ups who live off of the system their whole lives simply because they lack motivation and just do not care. We cannot withhold an education based on what we believe to be the potential of the individual. And no I do not think that most of our ESEP funds are used correctly.
overit, on 23 July 2011 - 10:59 AM, said:
Bagging groceries and McDonald's in my eyes, does mean giving back to society, it's a job. Can you give some insight into what you think the funds should be used on?
you don't think if my son was a bagger at Kroger or worked at McD's then he is giving back to society? Well I do, he won't be living off the society which MANY abled bodied people do and have no problems with it. Someone has to bag those groceries and work those meaningless jobs that most think are nothing. So yes, he is giving back to society by paying taxes just like the rest of us do.
Not everyone can be a doctor, lawyer, or president. So I would be proud of him for whatever job he takes.
Got to head out so don't think I am ignoring this thread.....later!
I don't think this answers your first question, but as far as Community Based Instruction, I would like to see more on the job training opportunities offered to the higher functioning ESEP students as well as the students who are already participating in the CBI program. I mentioned that before and I don't think it was possible due to the liability of the businesses that the kids would be working at. I certainly think that on the job experience would be good for some of the other ESEP kids as well though.
This post has been edited by fishnthec: 23 July 2011 - 11:31 AM
Why are funds being wasted on one-on-one para's, OT, CBI tribs, etc? I know some children need these services, by why is it that PCSD, has to pay, when they can not afford books, sports, reading enrichment, math enrichment, band, chorus, etc.
Ummmm, because it is federal law? (IDEA).
overit, on 23 July 2011 - 09:24 AM, said:
No, in my home state there are 2 different centers for ESEP children. The centers take the childs disability and work completely on their skills. Examples, washing clothes, cooking dinner, job skills, teams sports,counting money, etc. Let me see if I can get a link.
But there is something in IDEA called the LRE (least restrictive environment). Read up on that; even the wikipedia article is helpful. Students are to be be mainstreammed as much as possible, and relegated to special classes and schools only when their situation truly requires it. This means that while there are still special schools and centers, these are to be used sparingly. Same with special classes within a regular school. The emphasis is on getting students among the general population as much as possible. Sometimes this is not possible, but the definition of when it is not possible has been narrowed by federal law.
As a homeowner & tax payer. I do not have a problem at all with special needs classes and one-on-one instruction for children/teens with autism and other disabilities.
I feel blessed to have children who will be able to function in society. I do not mind paying for a book or paying for my children's extracurricular activities.
But I do feel these parents have the right to experience the joy of their child going to school and graduating with their piers. It is an accomplishment the parents deserve to experiance.
These children are sweet & innocent & beautiful. And deserve the love and care of the community.
Bagging groceries and McDonald's in my eyes, does mean giving back to society, it's a job.
Can you give some insight into what you think the funds should be used on?
I would think that bagging groceries or a job at a fast food place is giving rather than taking from society. As far as ESEP funds go, in my experience, even when the funds are available they are so "tightly guarded" by ESEP coordinators that it is very difficult, if not down right impossible to get your ESEP child what they are entitled to. As tax payers I am sure we are all glad there is protocol in place to make sure the funds are used properly but time and again many of these kids fall through the cracks and are not given the services to reach their full potential. It is better for each and every one of us if our money that funds public education is used to pay for any and all children to be given the best education possible so that all children have the tools to reach their individual potential.
I don't think this answers your first question, but as far as Community Based Instruction, I would like to see more on the job training opportunities offered to the higher functioning ESEP students as well as the students who are already participating in the CBI program. I mentioned that before and I don't think it was possible due to the liability of the businesses that the kids would be working at. I certainly think that on the job experience would be good for some of the other ESEP kids as well though.
And I personally would rather my child have more on the job training and daily living skills training than classroom time....but that isn't what the school is there for. I understand.... But that is what I personally would love to see more of.
Veritas, on 23 July 2011 - 11:33 AM, said:
Ummmm, because it is federal law? (IDEA).
But there is something in IDEA called the LRE (least restrictive environment). Read up on that; even the wikipedia article is helpful. Students are to be be mainstreammed as much as possible, and relegated to special classes and schools only when their situation truly requires it. This means that while there are still special schools and centers, these are to be used sparingly. Same with special classes within a regular school. The emphasis is on getting students among the general population as much as possible. Sometimes this is not possible, but the definition of when it is not possible has been narrowed by federal law.
I could push for my child to be mainstreamed in a regular classroom for most (possibly all) of his classes in high school. But why would I want my son to sit in history class and color a sheet on a soldier while the other kids are learning about WWI (or whatever)? I agree that kids have the right to be mainstreamed but I also PERSONALLY feel that too many kids are mainstreamed that shouldn't be.
I would rather my kid be in a self contained classroom where he will learn to his best ability and not prevent the regular ed kids from learning. Teachers have enough on their plate without having to teach more than 1 way to the same classroom.
My son does take PE and art with the regular ed kids. He loves PE so he couldn't care less if he is in there with his classmates or half the school. He also doesn't realize when kids are being mean to him or making fun of him. He only sees the good in people.
I know a lot of parents want their kids mainstreamed....I truly understand. I just don't believe it is always the best thing to do.
People need to really educate themselves on how education funds trickle down. Funds come from federal, state, and local resources. This money is all designated for specific purposes. Most ESEP funding comes from the federal level. Under IDEA, students with disabilities have the same rights to an education as the other students. I have seen many students with disabilities move on from high school and get jobs.
Do you think that means they should be placed in the same classrooms with students who can move quickly through the curriculum? Same education opportunity could mean different things to different children depending on their capacity for learning, don't you think? I believe for some students life skills should be the focus not subjects like advanced math.
My son is non-verbal, has Down Syndrome, and has lots of other things going on. But yes, I feel he is getting a good education with very caring teachers and para pros. (thanks HHS). I don't care if my child has to use a calculator to do math, or if he knows where Russia is on a map, or if he can understand the table of elements. What I care about is that he can go to a job as an adult and do the best he can to make a living.
I also know that he will always have to live with us. So don't have to worry about that unless hubby and I pass away.
you don't think if my son was a bagger at Kroger or worked at McD's then he is giving back to society? Well I do, he won't be living off the society which MANY abled bodied people do and have no problems with it. Someone has to bag those groceries and work those meaningless jobs that most think are nothing. So yes, he is giving back to society by paying taxes just like the rest of us do.
Not everyone can be a doctor, lawyer, or president. So I would be proud of him for whatever job he takes.
Got to head out so don't think I am ignoring this thread.....later!
Yes, I think it's giving back to society, that's what I meant by it's a job. And there is no shame in any job.
This post has been edited by overit: 23 July 2011 - 02:54 PM
And I personally would rather my child have more on the job training and daily living skills training than classroom time....but that isn't what the school is there for. I understand.... But that is what I personally would love to see more of.
I could push for my child to be mainstreamed in a regular classroom for most (possibly all) of his classes in high school. But why would I want my son to sit in history class and color a sheet on a soldier while the other kids are learning about WWI (or whatever)? I agree that kids have the right to be mainstreamed but I also PERSONALLY feel that too many kids are mainstreamed that shouldn't be.
I would rather my kid be in a self contained classroom where he will learn to his best ability and not prevent the regular ed kids from learning. Teachers have enough on their plate without having to teach more than 1 way to the same classroom.
My son does take PE and art with the regular ed kids. He loves PE so he couldn't care less if he is in there with his classmates or half the school. He also doesn't realize when kids are being mean to him or making fun of him. He only sees the good in people.
I know a lot of parents want their kids mainstreamed....I truly understand. I just don't believe it is always the best thing to do.
AGAIN THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION!
Thank you for your honesty. I do think any and all ESEP kids should do PE, art, drama, and all the other classes with their peers/age group. I am a firm believer in social skills.
But there is something in IDEA called the LRE (least restrictive environment). Read up on that; even the wikipedia article is helpful. Students are to be be mainstreammed as much as possible, and relegated to special classes and schools only when their situation truly requires it. This means that while there are still special schools and centers, these are to be used sparingly. Same with special classes within a regular school. The emphasis is on getting students among the general population as much as possible. Sometimes this is not possible, but the definition of when it is not possible has been narrowed by federal law.
I have read more on those than I care to ever know or hear again.
I do not understand the debate of special centers. I would love for any of my children to attend a school to fit his/her needs.
If you have a child with behavior disorder that causes the child with ADHD to miss the lesson taught that day...which student is more important? Can the teacher back-up reteach the lesson to the child with ADHD? What about the gifted child that is being held back, while the teacher struggles to teach the concept for the fifth day in a row?
my son is smart as a whip and will be able to take care of himself he is in esep for speech. where do you get off that this money is being wasted my son deserves an education to. he will be able to have a job and take care of himself once he starts talking. some nerve.
This post has been edited by rosewitha: 23 July 2011 - 03:37 PM
my son is smart as a whip and will be able to take care of himself he is in esep for speech. where do you get off that this money is being wasted my son deserves an education to. he will be able to have a job and take care of himself once he starts talking. some nerve.
I am not saying that any child does not deserve an education, every child needs to learn. I know this a touchy subject, but more budget cuts going on, schools failing AYP, etc. I think things need to change, and general education should have books, and extra programs to help the border line children in Reading and Math.
As I said before, I want to discuss this, and not hurl insults at people. I would hope you can do the same.
We are all passionate about what directly affects us. This is the way it has always been and it will always continue to be this way.
My daughter graduated from high school so the only thing that affects me directly now is the Special Ed program that my son is in and will be in for 6-7 more years, until he turns 22.
So that is why you will see people on each side of the fence. They don't fully understand what they don't deal with daily. Not that either is more right or wrong than the other.
Not saying I don't care about the kids having books, band, or anything else. Just that I care about the fact that they will probably cut out the CBI trips for my son. Because this is what directly affects me.
Do you think that means they should be placed in the same classrooms with students who can move quickly through the curriculum? Same education opportunity could mean different things to different children depending on their capacity for learning, don't you think? I believe for some students life skills should be the focus not subjects like advanced math.
I'm still on the fence about ESEP students in the mainstream classroom. I will teach in a co-taught classroom this year. After that I can tell you with certainty what I think about it. Just know that if an ESEP student is in the mainstream classroom they have their own teacher in the classroom at the same time. The ESEP teacher can modify and monitor their work. Not all ESEP students are mainstreamed it depends on their disability. Life skills are taught to these student. Many people speak on education subjects and have never stepped foot in a school. A group of high school ESEP students that I know host a dinner every year where they cook and serve the food. They are very proud of this accomplishment. This is one of many skills they learn throughout the year. Many of you need to go and spend some time in an ESEP classroom and you will be enlightened.
Do mainstream students have a 1:1 student to teacher ratio? Just curious.
mrnn
"Republicans have been fleeced, exploited, and lied to by the conservative entertainment complex" -- David Frum, Former Bush Speechwriter and directer of Republican Jewish Coalition
Do mainstream students have a 1:1 student to teacher ratio? Just curious.
mrnn
No, and neither do most ESEP students. Only in severe cases does a disabled student have one teacher with him/her, and usually it is a paraprofessional trained for their disability.
Do mainstream students have a 1:1 student to teacher ratio? Just curious.
mrnn
Maybe another question could be "does and average or gifted child have that ratio"? Is that an equal education? How long before there is a law suit because those kids aren't able to get past the behavior of others to get an education?
Maybe another question could be "does and average or gifted child have that ratio"? Is that an equal education? How long before there is a law suit because those kids aren't able to get past the behavior of others to get an education?
Just to be clear....a co-taught classroom looks like this.(in my school setting) One regular ed teacher and approx. 15=20 students and one ESEP teacher and approx. 10-12 students. Mainstream students are not held back at all by the ESEP students in the classroom. These ESEP students look and act like other students, they just may not have the aptitude of the mainstream students. The more severe physically handicapped, behavior disorder, and learning disabled students are in a self-contained classroom. I'm not sure what a gifted classroom looks like now but it used to have 15-20 students with one teacher dedicated to them.
No, and neither do most ESEP students. Only in severe cases does a disabled student have one teacher with him/her, and usually it is a paraprofessional trained for their disability.
I'm basing this on the post above that stated special needs children in mainline classes have their own teacher there to assist them should they fall behind.
My point is obviously not that special needs kids should be ignored or kicked out of school. My point is that the theme in this thread tossed at those who feel that special needs are getting special, preferential treatment, is that these special needs kids deserve an equal opportunity to an education. An equal opportunity to an education does not mean that a single student gets their own secondary "teacher" in a classroom while the other students in the same course can't even get a tutor. That is not equal, not even close. Equality would be allowing a special needs child to enter mainstream classes and, if they can't keep up on their own, they are moved to a remedial life skills program.
It amazes me that our gifted children receive a less intensive educational experience than special needs. I understand that many special needs kids are also academically gifted but if they can't cut it in a gifted classroom then chances are they will not be able to cut it in an advanced degree program in college. Now we're making sure that our gifted kids can't cut it either.
mrnn
NewsJunky, on 23 July 2011 - 06:16 PM, said:
Maybe another question could be "does and average or gifted child have that ratio"? Is that an equal education? How long before there is a law suit because those kids aren't able to get past the behavior of others to get an education?
A-freaking-men.
My son was sooooo frustrated in 4th grade last year because his teacher had to deal with behavioral problems and kids who just couldn't grasp the concepts she was teaching. This is a kid who loves school, and by the end of the year he hated going.
mrnn
"Republicans have been fleeced, exploited, and lied to by the conservative entertainment complex" -- David Frum, Former Bush Speechwriter and directer of Republican Jewish Coalition
I'm basing this on the post above that stated special needs children in mainline classes have their own teacher there to assist them should they fall behind.
My point is obviously not that special needs kids should be ignored or kicked out of school. My point is that the theme in this thread tossed at those who feel that special needs are getting special, preferential treatment, is that these special needs kids deserve an equal opportunity to an education. An equal opportunity to an education does not mean that a single student gets their own secondary "teacher" in a classroom while the other students in the same course can't even get a tutor. That is not equal, not even close. Equality would be allowing a special needs child to enter mainstream classes and, if they can't keep up on their own, they are moved to a remedial life skills program.
It amazes me that our gifted children receive a less intensive educational experience than special needs. I understand that many special needs kids are also academically gifted but if they can't cut it in a gifted classroom then chances are they will not be able to cut it in an advanced degree program in college. Now we're making sure that our gifted kids can't cut it either.
mrnn
A-freaking-men.
My son was sooooo frustrated in 4th grade last year because his teacher had to deal with behavioral problems and kids who just couldn't grasp the concepts she was teaching. This is a kid who loves school, and by the end of the year he hated going.
mrnn
But were the students in your son's class ESEP or just kids with bad behavior?
Again, a co-taught class does not have a 1:1 ratio for the ESEP students. It is typically 10-12:1.
This post has been edited by icare: 23 July 2011 - 06:32 PM
Just to be clear....a co-taught classroom looks like this.(in my school setting) One regular ed teacher and approx. 15=20 students and one ESEP teacher and approx. 10-12 students. Mainstream students are not held back at all by the ESEP students in the classroom. These ESEP students look and act like other students, they just may not have the aptitude of the mainstream students. The more severe physically handicapped, behavior disorder, and learning disabled students are in a self-contained classroom. I'm not sure what a gifted classroom looks like now but it used to have 15-20 students with one teacher dedicated to them.
Gifted classes will not be the same in at least one school that I know of this year. Do not know about the others. I will let you and everyone else know how it goes. Trust me if it does not work I will be very vocal about it. Those kids actually come under the same umbrella as the special needs students. They are all special needs.
But were the students in your son's class ESEP or just kids with bad behavior?
Again, a co-taught class does not have a 1:1 ratio for the ESEP students. It is typically 10-12:1.
I honestly don't know for sure. That part of my post was just an example of how the gifted kids are not receiving the attention they need.
mrnn
"Republicans have been fleeced, exploited, and lied to by the conservative entertainment complex" -- David Frum, Former Bush Speechwriter and directer of Republican Jewish Coalition
One, funds are not being wasted. Kids are getting services they need to function in society.Next CBI is gone now due to budget cuts this year. I guess you dont want to educate the severely disabled, just make them stay at home. These kids by law must be given a free and appropriate education. Many of these kids will go on to work and "give back to society" as you put it. If you want something unfair to scream about, some of these kids spend 6 years in high school doing everything they are asked to do and when they leave they are considered a dropout. If anything they need more funds!
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One, funds are not being wasted. Kids are getting services they need to function in society.Next CBI is gone now due to budget cuts this year. I guess you dont want to educate the severely disabled, just make them stay at home. These kids by law must be given a free and appropriate education. Many of these kids will go on to work and "give back to society" as you put it. If you want something unfair to scream about, some of these kids spend 6 years in high school doing everything they are asked to do and when they leave they are considered a dropout. If anything they need more funds!
One, funds are not being wasted. Kids are getting services they need to function in society.Next CBI is gone now due to budget cuts this year. I guess you dont want to educate the severely disabled, just make them stay at home. These kids by law must be given a free and appropriate education. Many of these kids will go on to work and "give back to society" as you put it. If you want something unfair to scream about, some of these kids spend 6 years in high school doing everything they are asked to do and when they leave they are considered a dropout. If anything they need more funds!
No, I did not say they should stay home. Do these students not recieve an attendance diploma?
And I disagree with them needing more funds, maybe the funds they already have can be spent wisely. Since the CBI trips are gone, could the schools possibly think of some other options? A coffee shop, or let the kids prepare cookies to sell, greeting vistors at the front office, making copies, washing the gym towels...you can have job training and life skills in one task.
Bagging groceries and McDonald's in my eyes, does mean giving back to society, it's a job.
Can you give some insight into what you think the funds should be used on?
There are many ESEP students who get gen ed diplomas and go on to college. ESEP covers a wide range and what you're referring to above only includes a very small group.
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(notice, I am a parent of an ESEP kids, or was)
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