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AYP Results Are Out And Paulding Did Not Meet What Now?

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Posted 21 July 2011 - 08:04 PM

View PostPapi, on 21 July 2011 - 02:41 PM, said:

Yes, it was.

If Johnny can't read Johnny should sitting in first grade even if he is 14 years old.

I totally agree. If a child has to have the graduation test read to him he should not be taking it. I feel the same way about the dirving test, yet it is possible for a child to have that read to them as well. All of this comes to you thank s to no child left behind. Keeping a child in the most optimal learning environment for that child is not leaving them behind. Moving them up through the grades so taht their self esteem will not be harmed is doing them a disservice. When a child is in middle school and has only the reading level of a first grader then you strt to see behavior problems. It is always cooler to be the bad kid than the dumb one. Something has to fix this.
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Posted 21 July 2011 - 08:08 PM

View PostVeritas, on 21 July 2011 - 07:41 PM, said:

This discussion carries on, as such exchanges typically do, as if the school system is in a vacuum, completely isolated from the changes that society has endured over the last two generations. Members discuss what can be done to fix the system, and declare that the leadership has failed, etc. Some use the recent reports to justify a politcal agenda, while others are oblivious as to what makes a school not meet AYP--in some cases, it is one or two children in a particular subgroup not passing a test, or having poor atendance. Some even liken it to the APS scandal, which is really incredible. It is amusing to watch some anti-government activists declare that NCLB must go, while completely ignoring the fact that they put into power the very people that crafted and passed NCLB.

Folks, society is not what it was twenty, thirty, forty and fifty years ago. The family unit is no longer the adhesive that keeps society together. Bless those who still are fortunate to still have a solid family life, but this is now the exception, not the norm. With the decline of the family has come about a completely materialistic view of the purpose of education. This trend exists across the socio-economic spectrum, and across all demographic groups. People view education primarily as an economic function, a meal ticket, a key to material gain, a higher standard of living, enhanced social class and little else (except, of course, free child care). Of course, it was always these things, but the concept of an education as the gateway to democratic society, where all were able to contribute to the betterment of that free society, is almost passé. We have all read on this forum about how the role of the parent has changed from supporter of the school life to zealous advocate for their own children. Of course, this is certainly not true of all parents, but suffice to say that this view is common place.

We as a society no longer value knowledge for its own sake. We expect everything to carry some dividend with it. The common good is no longer widely supported, but the individual good is constantly pursued. We do not care about our history, our culture, our heritage, our system of beliefs and values; we care about the pursuit of pleasure. Children are not sent to school ready to learn, bceause they have been nurtured in a world of entertainment and entitlement. There is very little ethic to work hard and achieve goals and growth; attention spans of both adult and child are a fragment of what they once were. Anything that can't be delivered in a sound byte is at risk of being ignored. We are immersed in our cell phones and our own little worlds. Self-absorption is the order of the day, and the consumer culture is the fuel that feeds it. If there is no immediate gratification, then society does not wish to invest too much time in it. The latest reality show commands far more attention than what is going on in our community, nation and world.

Schools simply reflect this reality. They are not isolated from this trend. Our society created the school system, and that school system reflects the now disordered values that society espouses. One cannot "fix" the school district any more than one can create a way to safely drink and drive. When one stops drinking, then one can begin to safely drive again. Our society is upside-down from top to bottom, and schools are but one symptom of this. Given the state of our society, it is a miracle that the schools do as well as they do.

If you think I am promoting a political agenda then you are very wrong. I care about education and always have. That is reflected in the education of my family. Hey, they love books and not because it increases the bank account. I think NCLB has damaged more than it has helped and it is just a fact. Has nothing to do with politics. If the system is beyond repair I will be looking for other ways to educate my family. I have not made that call yet. I keep hoping the system will improve. I do not defend the two parties that crafted this disaster. I believe the government needs to stay out of it and let the teachers teach. I am sick about the lack of discipline in the schools and that is also related to NCLB in my opinion.

I think it would help to look at successful systems in other states. Georgia might learn something.


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Posted 21 July 2011 - 08:11 PM

View Postfishnthec, on 21 July 2011 - 08:04 PM, said:

I totally agree. If a child has to have the graduation test read to him he should not be taking it. I feel the same way about the dirving test, yet it is possible for a child to have that read to them as well. All of this comes to you thank s to no child left behind. Keeping a child in the most optimal learning environment for that child is not leaving them behind. Moving them up through the grades so taht their self esteem will not be harmed is doing them a disservice. When a child is in middle school and has only the reading level of a first grader then you strt to see behavior problems. It is always cooler to be the bad kid than the dumb one. Something has to fix this.



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Posted 21 July 2011 - 08:20 PM

The fact that our kids don't have books makes me want to slap someone and then hurl, and NCLB is a joke. :angry2: IMO the Paulding co. BOE should be ashamed. I know I am. I wish we could give them all the boot and start over. Thats all I have to say about that.

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Posted 21 July 2011 - 08:22 PM

All children are not the same, so why are we handing all of them the same test and expecting that they all do well on it? CRCTs are hung over their head to the point that even the good students agonize about the test.
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Posted 21 July 2011 - 08:32 PM

View Postjenilyn, on 21 July 2011 - 08:20 PM, said:

The fact that our kids don't have books makes me want to slap someone and then hurl, and NCLB is a joke. :angry2: IMO the Paulding co. BOE should be ashamed. I know I am. I wish we could give them all the boot and start over. Thats all I have to say about that.


We don't teach from books anymore because we teach the GA standards which may or may not change from year to year in any given subject/grade. Right now looks like we are headed to national standards soon. I'm not sure how much it will change, but will probably vary from subject to subject. If we had standards based books, they would be obsolete in a year or two anyway. In some cases there are texts out there that align with GA standards and in some cases, there are no good choices of text that align with the standards.

You can't slam Paulding for this one. You need to go to the state level.
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Posted 21 July 2011 - 08:41 PM

View PostMariposa, on 21 July 2011 - 08:32 PM, said:

We don't teach from books anymore because we teach the GA standards which may or may not change from year to year in any given subject/grade. Right now looks like we are headed to national standards soon. I'm not sure how much it will change, but will probably vary from subject to subject. If we had standards based books, they would be obsolete in a year or two anyway. In some cases there are texts out there that align with GA standards and in some cases, there are no good choices of text that align with the standards.

You can't slam Paulding for this one. You need to go to the state level.

Well, you certainly know more than me about this. I guess I just don't get it. at all. I don't get why things can't be like they were when I was in school. We had books, we learned things, things that matter, not just things that were going to be on a test. I feel my kid is being cheated. Why do standards change from year to year? I don't understand.
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Posted 21 July 2011 - 09:03 PM

View Postjenilyn, on 21 July 2011 - 08:41 PM, said:

Well, you certainly know more than me about this. I guess I just don't get it. at all. I don't get why things can't be like they were when I was in school. We had books, we learned things, things that matter, not just things that were going to be on a test. I feel my kid is being cheated. Why do standards change from year to year? I don't understand.

I was wondering the same about the standards changing. Someone explain to me exactly what standards are and why state standards would be different from national standards and why do they change so quickly that textbooks become obsolete in a year?
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Posted 21 July 2011 - 09:20 PM

View PostNewsJunky, on 21 July 2011 - 08:08 PM, said:

If you think I am promoting a political agenda then you are very wrong. I care about education and always have. That is reflected in the education of my family. Hey, they love books and not because it increases the bank account. I think NCLB has damaged more than it has helped and it is just a fact. Has nothing to do with politics. If the system is beyond repair I will be looking for other ways to educate my family. I have not made that call yet. I keep hoping the system will improve. I do not defend the two parties that crafted this disaster. I believe the government needs to stay out of it and let the teachers teach. I am sick about the lack of discipline in the schools and that is also related to NCLB in my opinion.

I think it would help to look at successful systems in other states. Georgia might learn something.


No one suggested that you did not care about education. There is no doubt in my mind that you do care very much. But as to the promotion of a specific political agenda, come now. You have very strongly identified yourself with the political right. It was said right wing, and the last President who proposed, advanced, and passed NCLB. During the 2000 election the other side was against it, as one would expect the NEA, unions, etc. to be, but when they saw that the GOP had the votes to pass it, they got on board. (Same thing had happened at the state level in Texas and Florida in the nineties, under the brother governors, when they proposed similar programs there.) But let's not kid ourselves--NCLB was a GOP-sponsored piece of legislation, a fact that you tend to shy away from. Ted Kennedy got on board, yes--but it was not his side of the aisle that engendered NCLB. That was a Dubya legacy, proposed by him on his third day in office. So much for the GOP keeping the feds out of the schools.
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Posted 21 July 2011 - 09:24 PM

View PostMariposa, on 21 July 2011 - 08:32 PM, said:

We don't teach from books anymore because we teach the GA standards which may or may not change from year to year in any given subject/grade. Right now looks like we are headed to national standards soon. I'm not sure how much it will change, but will probably vary from subject to subject. If we had standards based books, they would be obsolete in a year or two anyway. In some cases there are texts out there that align with GA standards and in some cases, there are no good choices of text that align with the standards.

You can't slam Paulding for this one. You need to go to the state level.


There are books that meet the standards. Grandkid had them with the virtual school. Kid is back in public school and back to no books. Yep, kid is a good student. I vote for books. Wish I actually had a vote where that subject is concerned. I will have a vote in the next election and I will be sure to use it. I wonder if a candidate will run on a "give the kids a book" platform.:unsure:


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Posted 21 July 2011 - 09:37 PM

View PostVeritas, on 21 July 2011 - 09:20 PM, said:

No one suggested that you did not care about education. There is no doubt in my mind that you do care very much. But as to the promotion of a specific political agenda, come now. You have very strongly identified yourself with the political right. It was said right wing, and the last President who proposed, advanced, and passed NCLB. During the 2000 election the other side was against it, as one would expect the NEA, unions, etc. to be, but when they saw that the GOP had the votes to pass it, they got on board. (Same thing had happened at the state level in Texas and Florida in the nineties, under the brother governors, when they proposed similar programs there.) But let's not kid ourselves--NCLB was a GOP-sponsored piece of legislation, a fact that you tend to shy away from. Ted Kennedy got on board, yes--but it was not his side of the aisle that engendered NCLB. That was a Dubya legacy, proposed by him on his third day in office. So much for the GOP keeping the feds out of the schools.

Once again you are wrong. I never thought GW was right about this. I am not a blind follower and never have been. Please do not try to slap that label on me. I happen to think you are wrong about some of your opinions. I think some in the education field are cheerleaders for the next experiment that usually does not work. If you don't fit that mold then I guess we are both wrong. I will work for a better system for all children because I don't believe we have it now. I think you are damned if you do work at it and damned if you don't.

Don't know why you thought you needed to make this political.
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Posted 21 July 2011 - 09:46 PM

View Postsugail, on 21 July 2011 - 09:03 PM, said:

I was wondering the same about the standards changing. Someone explain to me exactly what standards are and why state standards would be different from national standards and why do they change so quickly that textbooks become obsolete in a year?

Standards comprise the curriculum established by the state. They list what the expected learning outcomes should be in each subject area for each grade. Georgia's standards are the GPS, the Georgia Performance Standards. Take a look. https://www.georgias.../BrowseGPS.aspx
Florida has a similar set of standards, called the Sunshine State Standards. California has the California Content Standards. New York has the New York Core Curriculum Standards. And so on.

Each state adopted their current standards at a specific point and time, typically over the past 15-20 years. Standards replaced some previous form of the state curriculum, and typically they are phased in over several years. The GPS gradually replaced the previous Georgia curriculum, the QCC (Quality Core Curriculum) between 2004-2009. I do not know how long the QCC was in place. Curriculum standards are tweaked as educational research suggests.

Even though the GPS have only been in place for a few years, there has been increasing pressure to move to national standards. This movement has been around since the 1980s, but has gained a good deal of sway over the past ten years. Part of the reason for this is the belief that if schools are held accountable by federal legislation (NCLB), it would be advantageous if all states followed the same national set of standards. It was found that some states had easier standardized exams than others, and questions arose about the fairness of NCLB sanctions under those circumstances. Thus far the proposed national standards have been voluntary, having been devised by professional educational groups. Some are concerned that at some future point, these voluntary standards will become mandatory for states to receive federal funding.
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Posted 21 July 2011 - 10:02 PM

View PostRiograce, on 21 July 2011 - 02:13 PM, said:

And as cold as it sounds, I am *against* throwing more resources to students with disabilities.


You're not alone.

I empathize with parents of specials needs kids, I really do, but these children do not, nor will they ever, represent the continuation of American ingenuity and success. That isn't to say that I don't think they can live productive lives but they will not be the engineers, scientists, doctors, and business leaders that this country so profoundly needs to survive and excel in an increasingly competitive world.

NCLB was, and continues to be, an abject disaster. As a nation, we need to embrace, encourage, and enlighten those children who hold in their minds the answers to the challenges facing us tomorrow. Reward the brightest. Teach to the brightest. LISTEN to the brightest. The quickest way to get a mediocre student to overachieve is to make him feel like an outcast. Challenge him to keep up. Challenge him to prove that he can succeed. I don't know many kids who embrace failure, so why does our education system embrace failure? If little (non special ed) Johnny wants to cause trouble in school instead of learn then I feel it is incumbent upon our educators to not just ostracize that child but to segregate him from those who show promise. Special Ed students should be treated as an entirely separate entity within the school system...a special ed teacher's role is not to quench intellectual thirst but rather to ensure a student can simply get by in life...something many special ed students would be unable to do if not for the hard work and dedication of our special ed teachers.

Privatization isn't the answer to our education issues, nor is throwing more money, standards, or tests. The answer is two simple words...common sense. Our kids didn't suddenly get dumb. Our kids didn't suddenly forget how to learn. The potential is still there. We have tens of millions of children in this nation who don't have to work to help their family, don't need to worry about where their next meal is coming from or what shelter they will find to sleep under each night. We're a privileged society with children who have the time and resources to concentrate on their educations. Unless we as a society choose to cherish those most willing and able to learn we will be squandering an opportunity most nations in this world only dream of having.


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Posted 21 July 2011 - 10:05 PM

View Postsugail, on 21 July 2011 - 09:03 PM, said:

I was wondering the same about the standards changing. Someone explain to me exactly what standards are and why state standards would be different from national standards and why do they change so quickly that textbooks become obsolete in a year?


I would like to know that too. Does 1+1 not = 2 anymore? Is there a different way to figure the square footage of a room? Is basic math different then it was 30 years ago? Doesn't a period still mean the end of a sentence? What about an exclamation point? How are the standards different then 30 years ago? I learned about Shakespeare, (BTW we seen Othello preformed live on stage, in the original language. I was in 4th grade. That was a cool field trip) Monet, Bach, and others. What has changed in 30 years. Yes, this was in a public school. How are the standards different?

PE has been all but eliminated. The fine arts programs are suffering. These things are just as important as everything else.

Back in the stone age we had time for all of this, and then some. We were taught that if you worked hard then you can do anything. We knew that we had best behave ourselves or there would be hell to pay. If we didn't do our schoolwork/homework we failed. No excuses, no "oh the poor thing comes from a broken home." No "oh the family is poor." None of that crap. We were taught you have the opportunity to succeed, you have the tools, the rest is up to you.

Oh, we also answer "yes, sir/mam, no sir/mam."

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Posted 21 July 2011 - 10:08 PM

View Postmrnn, on 21 July 2011 - 10:02 PM, said:

You're not alone.

I empathize with parents of specials needs kids, I really do, but these children do not, nor will they ever, represent the continuation of American ingenuity and success. That isn't to say that I don't think they can live productive lives but they will not be the engineers, scientists, doctors, and business leaders that this country so profoundly needs to survive and excel in an increasingly competitive world.

NCLB was, and continues to be, an abject disaster. As a nation, we need to embrace, encourage, and enlighten those children who hold in their minds the answers to the challenges facing us tomorrow. Reward the brightest. Teach to the brightest. LISTEN to the brightest. The quickest way to get a mediocre student to overachieve is to make him feel like an outcast. Challenge him to keep up. Challenge him to prove that he can succeed. I don't know many kids who embrace failure, so why does our education system embrace failure? If little (non special ed) Johnny wants to cause trouble in school instead of learn then I feel it is incumbent upon our educators to not just ostracize that child but to segregate him from those who show promise. Special Ed students should be treated as an entirely separate entity within the school system...a special ed teacher's role is not to quench intellectual thirst but rather to ensure a student can simply get by in life...something many special ed students would be unable to do if not for the hard work and dedication of our special ed teachers.

Privatization isn't the answer to our education issues, nor is throwing more money, standards, or tests. The answer is two simple words...common sense. Our kids didn't suddenly get dumb. Our kids didn't suddenly forget how to learn. The potential is still there. We have tens of millions of children in this nation who don't have to work to help their family, don't need to worry about where their next meal is coming from or what shelter they will find to sleep under each night. We're a privileged society with children who have the time and resources to concentrate on their educations. Unless we as a society choose to cherish those most willing and able to learn we will be squandering an opportunity most nations in this world only dream of having.


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Posted 21 July 2011 - 10:13 PM

View Postgog8tors, on 21 July 2011 - 10:05 PM, said:

I would like to know that too. Does 1+1 not = 2 anymore? Is there a different way to figure the square footage of a room? Is basic math different then it was 30 years ago? Doesn't a period still mean the end of a sentence? What about an exclamation point? How are the standards different then 30 years ago? I learned about Shakespeare, (BTW we seen Othello preformed live on stage, in the original language. I was in 4th grade. That was a cool field trip) Monet, Bach, and others. What has changed in 30 years. Yes, this was in a public school. How are the standards different?

PE has been all but eliminated. The fine arts programs are suffering. These things are just as important as everything else.

Back in the stone age we had time for all of this, and then some. We were taught that if you worked hard then you can do anything. We knew that we had best behave ourselves or there would be hell to pay. If we didn't do our schoolwork/homework we failed. No excuses, no "oh the poor thing comes from a broken home." No "oh the family is poor." None of that crap. We were taught you have the opportunity to succeed, you have the tools, the rest is up to you.

Oh, we also answer "yes, sir/mam, no sir/mam."


Meeting the standards is all about the CRCT which is all about meeting AYP for NCLB. The CRCT at one time was a guide to help the student. It allowed the teacher to focus on the areas the child had not mastered or needed extra help with. It has turned into something entirely different sad to say.
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Posted 21 July 2011 - 10:25 PM

View PostNewsJunky, on 21 July 2011 - 10:13 PM, said:

Meeting the standards is all about the CRCT which is all about meeting AYP for NCLB. The CRCT at one time was a guide to help the student. It allowed the teacher to focus on the areas the child had not mastered or needed extra help with. It has turned into something entirely different sad to say.

Does the ITBS not do the same thing?

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Posted 21 July 2011 - 10:43 PM

View Postgog8tors, on 21 July 2011 - 10:05 PM, said:

I would like to know that too. Does 1+1 not = 2 anymore? Is there a different way to figure the square footage of a room? Is basic math different then it was 30 years ago? Doesn't a period still mean the end of a sentence? What about an exclamation point? How are the standards different then 30 years ago? I learned about Shakespeare, (BTW we seen Othello preformed live on stage, in the original language. I was in 4th grade. That was a cool field trip) Monet, Bach, and others. What has changed in 30 years. Yes, this was in a public school. How are the standards different?


They are different because the amount of knowledge that exists in the world has changed dramatically in thirty years. Thanks to technology, there is more information to be learned than ever before. The total sum of information that exists now doubles every few years. Information has been disseminated so quickly, and this in turn, results in the creation of new information.

The standards do not speak of, say, a period at the end of the sentence. They say something like this: "The student will display proficient use of conventional punctuation, in keeping with the targeted genre of writing." This means that a student will use all major punctuation marks correctly, including a period, when writing. While the use of a period has not changed much in thirty years, the use of punctuation does evolve as the language evolves. Everyone knows that the presence of computers has an impact on the conventions of language. The use of commas, for example, have decreased somewhat, according to language arts textbooks.

The point is that the amount of information grows, what is taught to students must periodically be adjusted. This includes the deletion of skills and knowledge that are deemed less relevant to modern society (agricultural to industrial to service and technology), and the addition of needed skills and knowledge to take their place. For example, the memorization of Lincoln's Gettyburg Address, or Lord Tennyson's epic poem "Charge of the Light Brigade" was considered of great value a generation or two ago, but would not be viewed as a desirable use of instructional time today. A new need today might be the ability to critically review media images and evaluate their value, in terms of accuracy, purpose and reliability.

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Posted 21 July 2011 - 10:47 PM

View Postgog8tors, on 21 July 2011 - 10:25 PM, said:

Does the ITBS not do the same thing?

ITBS is a national test. It compares children who take it in one state to the children who take it in other states. I think we should be using it but some in the education community do not want that. The scores for Georgia are hard to find. I think they used to post them on the state site.
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Posted 22 July 2011 - 05:58 AM

View Postmrnn, on 21 July 2011 - 10:02 PM, said:

You're not alone.

I empathize with parents of specials needs kids, I really do, but these children do not, nor will they ever, represent the continuation of American ingenuity and success. That isn't to say that I don't think they can live productive lives but they will not be the engineers, scientists, doctors, and business leaders that this country so profoundly needs to survive and excel in an increasingly competitive world. NCLB was, and continues to be, an abject disaster. As a nation, we need to embrace, encourage, and enlighten those children who hold in their minds the answers to the challenges facing us tomorrow. Reward the brightest. Teach to the brightest. LISTEN to the brightest. The quickest way to get a mediocre student to overachieve is to make him feel like an outcast. Challenge him to keep up. Challenge him to prove that he can succeed. I don't know many kids who embrace failure, so why does our education system embrace failure? If little (non special ed) Johnny wants to cause trouble in school instead of learn then I feel it is incumbent upon our educators to not just ostracize that child but to segregate him from those who show promise. Special Ed students should be treated as an entirely separate entity within the school system...a special ed teacher's role is not to quench intellectual thirst but rather to ensure a student can simply get by in life...something many special ed students would be unable to do if not for the hard work and dedication of our special ed teachers.

Privatization isn't the answer to our education issues, nor is throwing more money, standards, or tests. The answer is two simple words...common sense. Our kids didn't suddenly get dumb. Our kids didn't suddenly forget how to learn. The potential is still there. We have tens of millions of children in this nation who don't have to work to help their family, don't need to worry about where their next meal is coming from or what shelter they will find to sleep under each night. We're a privileged society with children who have the time and resources to concentrate on their educations. Unless we as a society choose to cherish those most willing and able to learn we will be squandering an opportunity most nations in this world only dream of having.


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I couldn't disagree more. I have 2 nephews with autism. They are considered special needs but are nothing short of brilliant. I would be willing to bet there are many many dr's and lawyers with aspergers.
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Posted 22 July 2011 - 07:03 AM

View PostNewsJunky, on 21 July 2011 - 09:24 PM, said:

There are books that meet the standards. Grandkid had them with the virtual school. Kid is back in public school and back to no books. Yep, kid is a good student. I vote for books. Wish I actually had a vote where that subject is concerned. I will have a vote in the next election and I will be sure to use it. I wonder if a candidate will run on a "give the kids a book" platform.:unsure:


I wish we had books, too. It would make my life much easier, but a school system (which already has a huge budget shortfall) is not going to invest huge amounts of money in a text book that will be obsolete when the standards change. I keep hearing that national standards are rolling out in the next couple of years. Its one thing for a family to buy one text book. Imagine how much it would be for a school to buy thousands of them and that's just one subject.

For example: We do have text books in our subject, but we can only use them part of the the time because much of what is in the standards is not in the book. The text books were purchased 5-6 years ago. When they were purchased, GA was changing over from QCCs to standards. Then, the standards were revised at least once. So, in 5-6 years what we were supposed to teach in that particular subject has changed twice and may change again soon.
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Posted 22 July 2011 - 07:23 AM

These are the Grade Six Language Arts Standards

This is ONE grade level ONE subject.

Reading and Literature

In reading a text closely, the student works carefully to discern the author’s perspective
and the particular facts and details that support it. The student reads thoughtfully and purposefully, constantly checking for understanding of the author’s intent and meaning so that the interpretation will be sound.

ELA6R1 The student demonstrates comprehension and shows evidence of a warranted and responsible explanation of a variety of literary and informational texts.
For literary texts, the student identifies the characteristics of various genres and
produces evidence of reading that:
a. Identifies and analyzes sensory details and figurative language.
b. Identifies and analyzes the author’s use of dialogue and description.
c. Relates a literary work to historical events of the period.
d. Applies knowledge of the concept that theme refers to the message about life and the
world that the author wants us to understand whether implied or stated.
e. Identifies and analyzes the elements of setting, characterization, plot, and the resolution
of the conflict of a story or play:
i. internal/external conflicts
ii. character conflicts, characters vs. nature, characters vs. society
iii. antagonist/protagonist.
f. Identifies the speaker and recognizes the difference between first- and third-person
narration.
g. Defines and explains how tone is conveyed in literature through word choice, sentence
structure, punctuation, rhythm, repetition, and rhyme.
h. Responds to and explains the effects of sound, figurative language, and graphics in
order to uncover meaning in literature:
i. Sound (e.g., alliteration, onomatopoeia, rhyme scheme)
ii. Figurative language (i.e., simile, metaphor, hyperbole, personification)
iii. Graphics (i.e., capital letters, line length, bold face print, italics).
i. Compares traditional literature and mythology from different cultures.
j. Identifies and analyzes similarities and differences in mythologies from
different cultures.
For informational texts, the student reads and comprehends in order to develop
understanding and expertise and produces evidence of reading that:
a. Applies knowledge of common textual features (e.g., paragraphs, topic sentences,
concluding sentences, glossary, index).
b. Applies knowledge of common graphic features (i.e., graphic organizers,
diagrams, captions, illustrations, charts, tables, graphs).
c. Applies knowledge of common organizational structures and patterns (e.g.,
transitions, logical order, cause and effect, classification schemes).
d. Identifies and analyzes main ideas, supporting ideas, and supporting details.
e. Follows multi-step instructions to complete or create a simple product.

ELA6R2
The student understands and acquires new vocabulary and uses it correctly in reading and writing. The student
a. Determines the meaning of unfamiliar words by using word, sentence, and
paragraph clues.
b. Uses knowledge of Greek and Latin affixes to understand unfamiliar vocabulary.
c. Identifies and interprets words with multiple meanings.
d. Uses reference skills to determine pronunciations, meanings, alternate word
choices, and parts of speech of words.

ELA6R3 The student reads aloud, accurately (in the range of 95%), familiar
material in a variety of genres, in a way that makes meaning clear to listeners.
The student
a. Uses letter-sound knowledge to decode written English and uses a range of
cueing systems (e.g., phonics and context clues) to determine pronunciation
and meaning.
b. Uses self-correction when subsequent reading indicates an earlier miscue
(self-monitoring and self-correcting strategies).
c. Reads with a rhythm, flow, and meter that sounds like everyday speech
(prosody).

Reading Across the Curriculum

After the elementary years, students are seriously engaged in reading for learning.
This process sweeps across all disciplinary domains, extending even to the area of
personal learning. Students encounter a variety of informational and fictional
texts, and they read texts in all genres and modes of discourse. In the study of
various disciplines of learning (language arts, mathematics, science, social studies),
students must learn, through reading, the communities of discourse of those disciplines.
Each subject has its own specific vocabulary; and for students to excel in all subjects, they must learn the specific vocabulary of all subject areas in context. In the middle grades, students self-select reading materials based on personal interests established through classroom learning. Students become curious about science, mathematics, history, and literature as they form contexts for those subjects related to their personal and classroom experiences. As students explore academic areas through reading, they develop favorite subjects and become confident in their verbal discourse about those subjects.
Reading across the curriculum develops students’ academic and personal
interests in different subjects, as well as their understanding and expertise across
subject areas. As students read, they develop both content and contextual
vocabulary. They also build good habits for reading, researching, and learning.

The Reading Across the Curriculum standards focus on the academic and personal
skills students acquire as they read in all areas of learning.

ELA6RC1 The student reads a minimum of 25 grade-level appropriate books or
book equivalents (approximately 1,000,000 words) per year from a variety of
subject disciplines. The student reads both informational and fictional texts in a
variety of genres and modes of discourse, including technical texts related to various
subject areas.
ELA6RC2 The student participates in discussions related to curricular learning in
all subject areas. The student
a. Identifies messages and themes from books in all subject areas.
b. Responds to a variety of texts in multiple modes of discourse.
c. Relates messages and themes from one subject area to those in another area.
d. Evaluates the merits of texts in every subject discipline.
e. Examines the author’s purpose in writing.
f. Recognizes and uses the features of disciplinary texts (e.g., charts, graphs,
photos, maps, highlighted vocabulary).

ELA6RC3 The student acquires new vocabulary in each content area and uses it
correctly. The student
a. Demonstrates an understanding of contextual vocabulary in various subjects.
b. Uses content vocabulary in writing and speaking.
c. Explores understanding of new words found in subject area texts.

ELA6RC4
The student establishes a context for information acquired by reading
across subject areas. The student
a. Explores life experiences related to subject area content.
b. Discusses in both writing and speaking how certain words and concepts
relate to multiple subjects.
c. Determines strategies for finding content and contextual meaning for unfamiliar
words or concepts.
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Writing

The student writes clear, coherent text that develops a central idea or tells a story.
The writing shows consideration of the audience and purpose. The student progresses
through the stages of the writing process (e.g., prewriting, drafting, revising,
and editing successive versions).
ELA6W1 The student produces writing that establishes an appropriate organizational structure, sets a context and engages the reader, maintains a coherent focus throughout, and provides a satisfying closure. The student
a. Selects a focus, an organizational structure, and a point of view based on purpose,
genre expectations, audience, length, and format requirements.
b. Writes texts of a length appropriate to address the topic or tell the story.
c. Uses traditional structures for conveying information (e.g., chronological
order, cause and effect, similarity and difference, and posing and answering a
question).
d. Uses appropriate structures to ensure coherence (e.g., transition elements).
ELA6W2 The student demonstrates competence in a variety of genres.
The student produces a narrative (fictional, personal) that:
a. Engages readers by establishing and developing a plot, setting, and point of
view that are appropriate to the story (e.g., varied beginnings, standard plot
line, cohesive devices).
b. Creates an organizing structure appropriate to purpose, audience, and context.
c. Includes sensory details and concrete language to develop plot, setting, and
character (e.g., vivid verbs, descriptive adjectives, and varied sentence structures).
d. Uses a range of strategies (e.g., suspense, figurative language, dialogue,
expanded vocabulary, movement, gestures, expressions).
e. Excludes extraneous details and inconsistencies.
f. Provides a sense of closure appropriate to the writing.
The student produces writing (multi-paragraph expository composition such
as description, explanation, comparison and contrast, or problem and solution)
that:
a. Engages the reader by establishing a context, creating a speaker’s voice, and
otherwise developing reader interest.
b. Establishes a statement as the main idea or topic sentence.
c. Develops a controlling idea that conveys a perspective on the subject.
d. Creates an organizing structure appropriate to purpose, audience, and context.
e. Develops the topic with supporting details.
f. Excludes extraneous and inappropriate information.
g. Follows an organizational pattern appropriate to the type of composition.
h. Concludes with a detailed summary linked to the purpose of the composition.
The student produces technical writing (friendly letters, thank-you notes,
formula poems, instructions) that:
a. Creates or follows an organizing structure appropriate to purpose, audience,
and context.
b. Excludes extraneous and inappropriate information.
c. Follows an organizational pattern appropriate to the type of composition.
d. Applies rules of Standard English.
The student produces a response to literature that:
a. Engages the reader by establishing a context, creating a speaker’s voice, and
otherwise developing reader interest.
b. Demonstrates an understanding of the literary work.
c. Advances a judgment that is interpretive, analytic, evaluative, or reflective.
d. Organizes an interpretation around several clear ideas, premises, or images.
e. Supports a judgment through references to the text.
f. Provides a sense of closure to the writing.
The student produces a multi-paragraph persuasive essay that:
a. Engages the reader by establishing a context, creating a speaker’s voice, and
otherwise developing reader interest.
b. States a clear position of a proposition or proposal.
c. Supports the position with organized and relevant evidence.
d. Excludes information and arguments that are irrelevant.
e. Creates an organizing structure appropriate to a specific purpose, audience, and context.
f. Anticipates and addresses readers’ concerns and counter-arguments.
g. Provides a sense of closure to the writing.
ELA6W3 The student uses research and technology to support writing. The student
a. Uses organizational features of electronic text (e.g., bulletin boards, databases,
keyword searches, e-mail addresses) to locate relevant information.
b. Includes researched information in different types of products (e.g., compositions,
multimedia presentations, graphic organizers, projects, etc.).
c. Cites references.
ELA6W4 The student consistently uses the writing process to develop, revise,
and evaluate writing. The student
a. Plans and drafts independently and resourcefully.
b. Revises manuscripts to improve the organization and consistency of ideas
within and between paragraphs.
c. Edits to correct errors in spelling, punctuation, etc.
Conventions
Conventions are essential for reading, writing, and speaking. Instruction in language
conventions will, therefore, occur within the context of reading, writing, and speaking, rather than in isolation. The student writes to make connections with the larger world. A student’s ideas are more likely to be taken seriously when the words are spelled accurately and the sentences are grammatically correct. Use of Standard English conventions helps readers understand and follow the student’s meaning, while errors can be distracting and confusing. Standard English conventions are the “good manners” of writing and speaking that make communication fluid.
ELA6C1 The student demonstrates understanding and control of the rules of
the English language, realizing that usage involves the appropriate application
of conventions and grammar in both written and spoken formats. The student
a. Identifies and uses the eight basic parts of speech and demonstrates that words
can be different parts of speech within a sentence.
i. Identifies and uses nouns – abstract, common, collective, plural, and
possessive.
ii. Identifies and uses pronouns – personal, possessive, interrogative,
demonstrative, reflexive, and indefinite.
iii. Identifies and uses adjectives – common, proper, and demonstrative.
iv. Identifies and uses verbs – action (transitive/intransitive), linking, and
state-of-being.
v. Identifies and uses verb phrases – main verbs and helping verbs.
vi. Identifies and uses adverbs.
vii. Identifies and uses prepositional phrases (preposition, object of the
preposition, and any of its modifiers).
viii. Identifies and uses conjunctions – coordinating, correlative, and common
subordinating.
ix. Identifies and uses interjections.
b. Recognizes basic parts of a sentence (subject, verb, direct object, indirect object,
predicate noun, predicate adjective).
c. Identifies and writes simple, compound, complex, and compound-complex sentences,
avoiding fragments and run-ons.
d. Demonstrates appropriate comma and semicolon usage (compound and
complex sentences, appositives, words in direct address).
e. Uses common spelling rules, applies common spelling patterns, and develops
and masters words that are commonly misspelled.
f. Produces final drafts that demonstrate accurate spelling and the correct use of
punctuation and capitalization.

Listening/Speaking/Viewing
The student demonstrates an understanding of listening, speaking, and viewing
skills for a variety of purposes. The student listens critically and responds appropriately
to oral communication in a variety of genres and media. The student speaks in a manner that guides the listener to understand important ideas.
ELA6LSV1 The student participates in student-to-teacher, student-to-student,
and group verbal interactions. The student
a. Initiates new topics in addition to responding to adult-initiated topics.
b. Asks relevant questions.
c. Responds to questions with appropriate information.
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d. Confirms understanding by paraphrasing the adult’s directions or suggestions.
e. Displays appropriate turn-taking behaviors.
f. Actively solicits another person’s comments or opinions.
g. Offers own opinion forcefully without being domineering.
h. Responds appropriately to comments and questions.
i. Volunteers contributions and responds when directly solicited by teacher or
discussion leader.
j. Gives reasons in support of opinions expressed.
k. Clarifies, illustrates, or expands on a response when asked to do so.
l. Employs a group decision-making technique such as brainstorming or a
problem-solving sequence (e.g., recognizes problem, defines problem, identifies
possible solutions, selects optimal solution, implements solution, evaluates solution).
m. Writes a response to/reflection of interactions with others.
ELA6LSV2 The student listens to and views various forms of text and media
in order to gather and share information, persuade others, and express and
understand ideas. The student will select and critically analyze messages using
rubrics as assessment tools.
When responding to visual and oral texts and media (e.g., television, radio,
film productions, and electronic media), the student:
a. Identifies persuasive and propaganda techniques used in media and identifies
false and misleading information.
b. Identifies the tone, mood, and emotion conveyed in the oral communication.
When delivering or responding to presentations, the student:
a. Gives oral presentations or dramatic interpretations for various purposes.
b. Shows appropriate changes in delivery (e.g., gestures, vocabulary, pace, visuals).
c. Uses language for dramatic effect.
d. Uses rubrics as assessment tools.
e. Uses electronic media for presentations.

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Posted 22 July 2011 - 07:40 AM

OK, this whole thing is making my head hurt, but since I don't have kids, all I will say is two things: a) If I did have a kid, I would work 14 jobs to either home school or put him/her in a private school (not dissin' anybody who chooses differently...that's just what I would do), and 2) This ain't helpin' our real estate values. :angry2:
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Posted 22 July 2011 - 07:53 AM

When the BOE meetings and PTA meetings are standing room only, and the parents take an active interest in education, then things will change. Until then...
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Posted 22 July 2011 - 07:57 AM

Come to a McGarity PTA meeting sometime. The gym is packed with parents.

But, I do agree that some parents value education and others don't but the public school has to educate everyone. The schools can only do so much. Parents are ultimately the one responsible for the education their children - not Paulding County BOE.

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When the BOE meetings and PTA meetings are standing room only, and the parents take an active interest in education, then things will change. Until then...

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Posted 22 July 2011 - 08:04 AM

View PostTwoKidCircus, on 22 July 2011 - 07:57 AM, said:

Come to a McGarity PTA meeting sometime. The gym is packed with parents.

But, I do agree that some parents value education and others don't but the public school has to educate everyone. The schools can only do so much. Parents are ultimately the one responsible for the education their children - not Paulding County BOE.

I think any parent with any sort of sense know this. But I don't send my kid to school for any other reason than to learn. If a school system fails, I place the blame on the people running it. Not parents.
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Posted 22 July 2011 - 08:10 AM

View Postdesi, on 21 July 2011 - 08:22 PM, said:

All children are not the same, so why are we handing all of them the same test and expecting that they all do well on it? CRCTs are hung over their head to the point that even the good students agonize about the test.



So true! I proctored during the CRCTS and there was one girl in the class who would throw up right before it was time to take the tests. She was so nervous.
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Posted 22 July 2011 - 08:19 AM

View Postjenilyn, on 22 July 2011 - 08:04 AM, said:

I think any parent with any sort of sense know this. But I don't send my kid to school for any other reason than to learn. If a school system fails, I place the blame on the people running it. Not parents.


You would be surprised.
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Posted 22 July 2011 - 08:25 AM

View PostTwoKidCircus, on 22 July 2011 - 07:57 AM, said:

But, I do agree that some parents value education and others don't but the public school has to educate everyone. The schools can only do so much. Parents are ultimately the one responsible for the education their children - not Paulding County BOE.


And therein lies the problem. When an entity sets itself an impossible goal, it is doomed to failure.
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Posted 22 July 2011 - 08:47 AM

View PostRiograce, on 22 July 2011 - 08:25 AM, said:

And therein lies the problem. When an entity sets itself an impossible goal, it is doomed to failure.


Well said. Schools can do their best to educate all kids but some kids will do better than others. There are a variety of reasons for this; ability, genetics, environment, economic status, and the willingness of a child to learn. I do agree with you on some level about the resources given to special education but for me it's a question of what resources should be given. When that special education student has an IQ below 75, passing the CRCT or EOCT is unlikely. Instead of pretending this child can perform at the level of children of normal intelligence, these students should learn life skills so they can function in society; this would be far more helpful for these kids. However, as a public school teacher it pisses me off to hear people placing the blame largely on teachers. People fail to realize how little input we have when it comes to making decisions that actually impact education. As a reading teacher, I broke all the rules and did things my way. Luckily, my students had good scores and administration left me alone but it could have easily gone the other way with things turning out badly. Teaching has become so test driven and "standards based" the fun of teaching has been sucked out of the profession and learning has become boring for the kids.
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Posted 22 July 2011 - 08:54 AM

View PostTJB, on 22 July 2011 - 08:47 AM, said:

Well said. Schools can do their best to educate all kids but some kids will do better than others. There are a variety of reasons for this; ability, genetics, environment, economic status, and the willingness of a child to learn. I do agree with you on some level about the resources given to special education but for me it's a question of what resources should be given. When that special education student has an IQ below 75, passing the CRCT or EOCT is unlikely. Instead of pretending this child can perform at the level of children of normal intelligence, these students should learn life skills so they can function in society; this would be far more helpful for these kids. However, as a public school teacher it pisses me off to hear people placing the blame largely on teachers. People fail to realize how little input we have when it comes to making decisions that actually impact education. As a reading teacher, I broke all the rules and did things my way. Luckily, my students had good scores and administration left me alone but it could have easily gone the other way with things turning out badly. Teaching has become so test driven and "standards based" the fun of teaching has been sucked out of the profession and learning has become boring for the kids.

I hope you don't mean me. I would never place the blame on teachers. My mom is a retired teacher, i'm fully aware of how much they do with little thanks.
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Posted 22 July 2011 - 09:00 AM

The fact that we don't have books has been loosely defended, so why don't our middle schoolers have sports anymore? why have so many teachers been laid off in our county? Why can't the kids have adequate heating and air in their classrooms? If the BOE isn't responsible, who is? I really want to know. I'm not being a smart a$$.

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Posted 22 July 2011 - 09:07 AM

Let's quit blaming a federal mandate on why Little Johnny can't read. Little Johnny can't read because his school, teachers AND parents failed him. Yes, the mandate is out there, but we can't keep hiding behind it and using it as an excuse for underperforming kids getting passed through the system. As long as PARENTS don't step up and start acting like parents, the system will not work. And, until we work with the school system and start holding them accountable, it's not going to get better. I'm blown away that our county does not purchase enough books for students and supplies for teachers to use in the classroom -- when did those things become optional??
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Posted 22 July 2011 - 09:19 AM

Middle schools have feeder teams to the high school. I haven't EVER had an issue with heating or air at McGarity or East Paulding Middle.

View Postjenilyn, on 22 July 2011 - 09:00 AM, said:

The fact that we don't have books has been loosely defended, so why don't our middle schoolers have sports anymore? why have so many teachers been laid off in our county? Why can't the kids have adequate heating and air in their classrooms? If the BOE isn't responsible, who is? I really want to know. I'm not being a smart a$$.

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Posted 22 July 2011 - 09:22 AM

It is just my opinion, and in the 10+ years that I worked in the PCSD I realized early on that my opinion doesn't mean jack, that K-3 should focus on teaching the very basics. This is the time when the kids should learn to READ, WRITE, GENERAL MATH SKILLS, BASIC GEOGRAPHY, and BASIC SCIENCE. When I say basic I mean very basic. The focus should really be on reading, and math skills. The more in depth studies can be taught properly once these skills have been mastered and not before. If there are children who master these skills before grade three there could be accelerated classes for them. This would lead to less "dumbed down" classes causing fewer behavior problems. Kids who understand the ciriculum are less likely to become behavior problems. It's a fact. The lack of reading and math skills in our middle and high schools are causing more problems than just not meeting AYP. Once again just my opinion.
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Posted 22 July 2011 - 09:31 AM

View PostTwoKidCircus, on 22 July 2011 - 09:19 AM, said:

Middle schools have feeder teams to the high school. I haven't EVER had an issue with heating or air at McGarity or East Paulding Middle.

East paulding middle school didn't make ayp. Right? Is that ok? It seems to me you and some others are determined to defend a system that is clearly not working.

I wish I could work 4 jobs and make enough money to send my 13 year old to a private school, but I can't. I have a baby to take care of and i'm not putting him in daycare.

I'm done with this topic. Good luck to all your children in the upcoming school year. I hope they pass the TEST. as that is what it's all about. not learning. testing.
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Posted 22 July 2011 - 09:40 AM

Lets just ask the Atlanta City School system how they did it.............I'm afraid it might start a trend.
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Posted 22 July 2011 - 09:59 AM

Are there problems? Yes. Am I happy with my children's individual education? Yes but I do not and have NEVER relied completely on McGarity or East to educate my kids.

View Postjenilyn, on 22 July 2011 - 09:31 AM, said:

East paulding middle school didn't make ayp. Right? Is that ok? It seems to me you and some others are determined to defend a system that is clearly not working.

I wish I could work 4 jobs and make enough money to send my 13 year old to a private school, but I can't. I have a baby to take care of and i'm not putting him in daycare.

I'm done with this topic. Good luck to all your children in the upcoming school year. I hope they pass the TEST. as that is what it's all about. not learning. testing.

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Posted 22 July 2011 - 10:22 AM

View PostBlazing Saddles, on 22 July 2011 - 09:40 AM, said:

Lets just ask the Atlanta City School system how they did it.............I'm afraid it might start a trend.


I think it already has! I am thinking something is fishy with 2 schools in our district that made AYP this year, after not making it for 4/5 years (can't remember excatly)

If I were a teacher, I would refuse to give the CRCT to students without another adult present!
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Posted 22 July 2011 - 10:36 AM

Just to add a little perspective.

Cobb County did NOT make AYP
Douglas County did NOT make AYP
Carroll County did NOT make AYP
Haralson County did NOT make AYP

ATTENTION ATTENTION:
There is a problem with the state website so this info may not be correct that I posted earlier. No matter what district is searched it shows they did not make AYP sorry.

This post has been edited by Mariposa: 22 July 2011 - 09:05 PM

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