I can hardly find the words that I want to respond to this. I know what I want to say but I need to say it in an appropriate way and that is what is making it so difficult for me. ESEP or as you called it "students with special needs" is a VERY broad group of students. If you were to visit a school you would probably be able to pick out some of the special needs children by the way the look, talk, act, etc, This group is the minority in the special needs department. The vast majority of special needs children have a disability that requires specific tools and techniques to make their educational experience successful.
It is a misconception to think that,as you stated, "students with special needs" are sub-That is stereotyping at its worst. I can give you my two personal examples. Both my sons who have now graduated were special needs. The oldest has Tourettes and Aspergers. If you met him you would not know he had special needs but he required minor modifications to help him be successful. My younger son has Tourettes and ADHD he also required only a few minor modifications. The problem seems to be that there are so many parents who ask for the moon and the stars that students like my own sometimes get overlooked because they do require the least amount of support.
I think the majority of people would be surprised to see just how many ESEP kids there are in the schools. And I would venture to say that if all the school was put in the gym the average person wouldn't be able to pick out half of them.
I think theentire testing system is flawed as well as the no child left behind crap...I am tired of everything being blamed on the special ed kids. By the way both my boys are college students now and doing great!
Would you mind telling us what college your boys are in?
There are no middle school teams supported by the school system. The teams are supported by the rec. center or athletic associations but not by the schools.
OMG REALLY????
Just for those of you who are stuck on this. The Jr. High school teams are part of the GMSAA. No, the INDIVIDUAL middle schools so not have a separate program. But, the 6th,7th,8th grade teams for the INDIVIDUAL high schools do go through the middle schools.
If you have a 6th, 7th, 8th, grader who lives in the SPHS district, he will play for the the SPJr Spartans, Same with PCHS he will play for the PC jr. Patriots, etc. This goes for cheer leading too. All the paper work that you have to fill out is the same as what you fill out for the High School programs, because it is governed by the school programs.
Now funding is different, it does cost parents money, and time. Gee, just like everything else.
Happy Birthday to all 1973 babies. Tell your mom how much you love her!!!
cobb transplant, on 01 August 2011 - 09:42 AM, said:
Would you mind telling us what college your boys are in?
My oldest is a junior at Kennesaw State University majoring in Computer Science and My youngest is a Freshman at West Georgia Technical School in the Radiology Tech program.
I think it already has! I am thinking something is fishy with 2 schools in our district that made AYP this year, after not making it for 4/5 years (can't remember excatly)
If I were a teacher, I would refuse to give the CRCT to students without another adult present!
Damn, that was evil, woman. Teachers and kids busted their asses in those schools only to be accused of cheating? Paulding didn't have any schools flagged for cheating. GA TECH does the scanning of the tests to check for cheating or tampering, so I'll take their word for it. Honestly, as someone already pointed out, one kid passing or failing can determine the AYP status of an entire school. We now spend more time working with a few kids who represent multiple categories (SWD and/or Economically Disadvantaged and/or minority) and less time with the majority of other kids in the school who are doing OK. That is bullcheeze, but that is how it works. The bar is set by those who achieve least.
What most of you people are missing about AYP scores is the yearly increase part. Even if a school (McClure Middle comes to mind) is doing a fabulous job, say over 95% of their kids passing the CRCT, they STILL HAVE TO HAVE AN INCREASE THE NEXT YEAR TO PASS until 100% passing is met (hence the name, No Child Left Behind). For a 95% school, it would take 99% (the increase is somewhere around 4% I think) to meet the next year. If you think that is realistic, keep looking for solutions. I think it's freaking nuts.
Reacting over the scores with panic is a sign that you folks are as tied to test scores as the federal government is. It is smoke up your butt, nothing more. A dirty numbers game.
Even in the lowest-scoring schools, at least half of the kids meet or exceed in all subjects. That means the material was presented adequately during the school year. Make what you will of that.
Damn, that was evil, woman. Teachers and kids busted their asses in those schools only to be accused of cheating? Paulding didn't have any schools flagged for cheating. GA TECH does the scanning of the tests to check for cheating or tampering, so I'll take their word for it. Honestly, as someone already pointed out, one kid passing or failing can determine the AYP status of an entire school. We now spend more time working with a few kids who represent multiple categories (SWD and/or Economically Disadvantaged and/or minority) and less time with the majority of other kids in the school who are doing OK. That is bullcheeze, but that is how it works. The bar is set by those who achieve least.
What most of you people are missing about AYP scores is the yearly increase part. Even if a school (McClure Middle comes to mind) is doing a fabulous job, say over 95% of their kids passing the CRCT, they STILL HAVE TO HAVE AN INCREASE THE NEXT YEAR TO PASS until 100% passing is met (hence the name, No Child Left Behind). For a 95% school, it would take 99% (the increase is somewhere around 4% I think) to meet the next year. If you think that is realistic, keep looking for solutions. I think it's freaking nuts.
Reacting over the scores with panic is a sign that you folks are as tied to test scores as the federal government is. It is smoke up your butt, nothing more. A dirty numbers game.
Even in the lowest-scoring schools, at least half of the kids meet or exceed in all subjects. That means the material was presented adequately during the school year. Make what you will of that.
I am afraid whether we like it or not we are all tied to that test. How much is it going to cost us as taxpayers to pay for extra tutoring or transportation to other schools of choice because Paulding did meet not AYP? Can't say it enough times NCLB needs to go away.
I have kids on both ends of this stick. With that said I am very thankful for NCLB! Specially for the one that everyone wants to blame is the reason Paulding didn't meet AYP. He took and passed a total diffierent math crct and regular LA crct. He passed Math and failed by 3 points in LA. With that being said other end of the stick has always succeed very well. To lay total blame on SWD's is shameful on everyone who says its all their faults.
EVERYONE MAKES MISTAKES, ONLY FOOLS PRACTICE THEM!!
"It ain't braggin if you can back it up"
Dizzy Dean
"EVERYONE KNOWS WHO YOU ARE NOT BY WHAT THEY HEAR BUT WHAT THEY SEE"
I have kids on both ends of this stick. With that said I am very thankful for NCLB! Specially for the one that everyone wants to blame is the reason Paulding didn't meet AYP. He took and passed a total diffierent math crct and regular LA crct. He passed Math and failed by 3 points in LA. With that being said other end of the stick has always succeed very well. To lay total blame on SWD's is shameful on everyone who says its all their faults.
It's not the individual student's fault. The problem is the way the system is designed. I'm sure many of the students in question are performing to their highest potential.
Look at the breakdown of pass/fail by category of student. All categories in a school may pass except one or two. Unfortunately, if one category fails, the entire school fails. If that category has only a dozen or so students, it only takes a few of those students to cause the entire school to fail.
Unfortunately, the category where that happens most is the SWD.
Who is John Gault? - He's the successful business owner who didn't want to play by the new 'Law of the Land' so he closed up shop, packed up his stuff and left. He was joined by many other successful business owners who did the same. They stayed away until the government begged them to return and repealed the law.
It's not the individual student's fault. The problem is the way the system is designed. I'm sure many of the students in question are performing to their highest potential.
Look at the breakdown of pass/fail by category of student. All categories in a school may pass except one or two. Unfortunately, if one category fails, the entire school fails. If that category has only a dozen or so students, it only takes a few of those students to cause the entire school to fail.
Unfortunately, the category where that happens most is the SWD.
But see here is where I find fault with Paulding Co. for the 1st 3 years after a year of fighting with everyone to get my child tested and placed in ESEP he was taught by a para-pro. Yes a para-pro not a highly qualified teacher. Without NCLB we wouldn't have been able to fight that fight. He was tested in K. then again mid 3rd grade and had did poorer than K. So the bear came out in me and finally got them to get it right for him to successfully pass the CRCT in the 3rd grade by being taught by that "highly qualified teacher" that the federal law says he has the entitlement to! I have looked at the scores math seems to be the worst "meet" rate all the way around. you have 1500 total SWD compared to how many regular students don't think and just my thought it totally falls on the SWD categories.
EVERYONE MAKES MISTAKES, ONLY FOOLS PRACTICE THEM!!
"It ain't braggin if you can back it up"
Dizzy Dean
"EVERYONE KNOWS WHO YOU ARE NOT BY WHAT THEY HEAR BUT WHAT THEY SEE"
Damn, that was evil, woman. Teachers and kids busted their asses in those schools only to be accused of cheating? Paulding didn't have any schools flagged for cheating. GA TECH does the scanning of the tests to check for cheating or tampering, so I'll take their word for it. Honestly, as someone already pointed out, one kid passing or failing can determine the AYP status of an entire school. We now spend more time working with a few kids who represent multiple categories (SWD and/or Economically Disadvantaged and/or minority) and less time with the majority of other kids in the school who are doing OK. That is bullcheeze, but that is how it works. The bar is set by those who achieve least.
What most of you people are missing about AYP scores is the yearly increase part. Even if a school (McClure Middle comes to mind) is doing a fabulous job, say over 95% of their kids passing the CRCT, they STILL HAVE TO HAVE AN INCREASE THE NEXT YEAR TO PASS until 100% passing is met (hence the name, No Child Left Behind). For a 95% school, it would take 99% (the increase is somewhere around 4% I think) to meet the next year. If you think that is realistic, keep looking for solutions. I think it's freaking nuts.
Amen!!!
Reacting over the scores with panic is a sign that you folks are as tied to test scores as the federal government is. It is smoke up your butt, nothing more. A dirty numbers game.
Even in the lowest-scoring schools, at least half of the kids meet or exceed in all subjects. That means the material was presented adequately during the school year. Make what you will of that.
I am so proud of HJMS!!!! The staff, students have worked so hard to get where they are today. They have been made fun of, put down for so many years. I loved my kids going there and wouldn't think of school chosing to another school. They had some of the best teachers anyone could ask for. I loved HJMS even when they didn't make AYP. I could look beyond AYP and see our kids thriving there. Thanks to everyone at HJMS for helping shape our kids lives. Our oldest is on the deans list at Berry, and just inducted into National Math Honor Society & our daughter is now a junior in highschhol and is doing well. So proud of HJMS!!! Way to Go!!
It's not the individual student's fault. The problem is the way the system is designed. I'm sure many of the students in question are performing to their highest potential.
Look at the breakdown of pass/fail by category of student. All categories in a school may pass except one or two. Unfortunately, if one category fails, the entire school fails. If that category has only a dozen or so students, it only takes a few of those students to cause the entire school to fail.
Unfortunately, the category where that happens most is the SWD.
You get it! I have a question for you. Do you think we need to get rid of NCLB. Some folks seem to get it mixed up with IDEA and the disabilities act. Not the same things at all.
You get it! I have a question for you. Do you think we need to get rid of NCLB. Some folks seem to get it mixed up with IDEA and the disabilities act. Not the same things at all.
I'm no expert but believe that NCLB started out as a good idea. The problem is that every member of congress added their 2 cents, leaving us with the monstrosity we have now.
I would like to see it done away with and control returned to the local boards of education. If that can't be done, they at least need to fix the problems, such as the way AYP is scored.
Who is John Gault? - He's the successful business owner who didn't want to play by the new 'Law of the Land' so he closed up shop, packed up his stuff and left. He was joined by many other successful business owners who did the same. They stayed away until the government begged them to return and repealed the law.
I am so proud of HJMS!!!! The staff, students have worked so hard to get where they are today. They have been made fun of, put down for so many years. I loved my kids going there and wouldn't think of school chosing to another school. They had some of the best teachers anyone could ask for. I loved HJMS even when they didn't make AYP. I could look beyond AYP and see our kids thriving there. Thanks to everyone at HJMS for helping shape our kids lives. Our oldest is on the deans list at Berry, and just inducted into National Math Honor Society & our daughter is now a junior in highschhol and is doing well. So proud of HJMS!!! Way to Go!!
You are 100% right even when they were not passing AYP they were still the one of the best
schools in the county. But all people wanted to do was talk smack about how great there middle school is and how bad HJMS is. Well it looks like HJMS has the last laugh. No other middle school in this county did better then HJMS. I also would like to thank all the teachers and staff for all the hard work they put in with my Son an all the students that go there now or have gone there in the past. My Son leaves for collage on Aug,22 he finished High School at PCHS with a 3.8 GPA 1620 on the SAT and in the top 10 of his class...
THANK YOU HJMS and PCHS!!!!!
PCHS SPORTSDAD, on 03 August 2011 - 03:01 PM, said:
You are 100% right even when they were not passing AYP they were still the one of the best
schools in the county. But all people wanted to do was talk smack about how great there middle school is and how bad HJMS is. Well it looks like HJMS has the last laugh. No other middle school in this county did better then HJMS. I also would like to thank all the teachers and staff for all the hard work they put in with my Son an all the students that go there now or have gone there in the past. My Son leaves for collage on Aug,22 he finished High School at PCHS with a 3.8 GPA 1620 on the SAT and in the top 10 of his class...
THANK YOU HJMS and PCHS!!!!!
Damn, that was evil, woman. Teachers and kids busted their asses in those schools only to be accused of cheating? Paulding didn't have any schools flagged for cheating. GA TECH does the scanning of the tests to check for cheating or tampering, so I'll take their word for it. Honestly, as someone already pointed out, one kid passing or failing can determine the AYP status of an entire school. We now spend more time working with a few kids who represent multiple categories (SWD and/or Economically Disadvantaged and/or minority) and less time with the majority of other kids in the school who are doing OK. That is bullcheeze, but that is how it works. The bar is set by those who achieve least.
What most of you people are missing about AYP scores is the yearly increase part. Even if a school (McClure Middle comes to mind) is doing a fabulous job, say over 95% of their kids passing the CRCT, they STILL HAVE TO HAVE AN INCREASE THE NEXT YEAR TO PASS until 100% passing is met (hence the name, No Child Left Behind). For a 95% school, it would take 99% (the increase is somewhere around 4% I think) to meet the next year. If you think that is realistic, keep looking for solutions. I think it's freaking nuts.
Reacting over the scores with panic is a sign that you folks are as tied to test scores as the federal government is. It is smoke up your butt, nothing more. A dirty numbers game.
Even in the lowest-scoring schools, at least half of the kids meet or exceed in all subjects. That means the material was presented adequately during the school year. Make what you will of that.
Well said. My school made AYP but it rested on the scores of a few specific categories. Our reading scores were above 90 percent passing in grades 6, 7, and 8. The math scores were good as well. It seems to me that AYP is an artificial creation by politicians who want to dismantle public education.
PCHS SPORTSDAD, on 03 August 2011 - 03:01 PM, said:
You are 100% right even when they were not passing AYP they were still the one of the best
schools in the county. But all people wanted to do was talk smack about how great there middle school is and how bad HJMS is. Well it looks like HJMS has the last laugh. No other middle school in this county did better then HJMS. I also would like to thank all the teachers and staff for all the hard work they put in with my Son an all the students that go there now or have gone there in the past. My Son leaves for collage on Aug,22 he finished High School at PCHS with a 3.8 GPA 1620 on the SAT and in the top 10 of his class...
THANK YOU HJMS and PCHS!!!!!
THATS IS GREAT!!!What a lot of people don't know is HJMS has parents that school choice their kids there. My kids K teacher & her husband is a principle at a school in PC school choice there kids to HJMS. Where is your son going to college at.
The parameters used for this measure are EXTREMELY questionable (as described above). Moving control up the food chain of Government means increased admin cost and even less $ in the classroom. It is time the empower our teachers again. We've already proven that no child left behind = no child gets ahead.....
In the mean time, get involved! Know who is educating your child. Commit to reinforcing lessons at home. Teach manners and social skills (teachers lose hours of academics teaching basic manners). Volunteer, talking gets us nowhere. Any most importantly, PRAY for our schools. God's plan is much bigger than ours.
I think it already has! I am thinking something is fishy with 2 schools in our district that made AYP this year, after not making it for 4/5 years (can't remember excatly)
If I were a teacher, I would refuse to give the CRCT to students without another adult present!
I don't know what two schools you are referring to, but if it is the ones I think. I can tell
you these teachers and principals have busted their butts with these students. I am very proud
of these teachers and students. You do know that one of them had a lot of their special
classes transferred. I also think this was a good idea.
Damn, that was evil, woman. Teachers and kids busted their asses in those schools only to be accused of cheating? Paulding didn't have any schools flagged for cheating. GA TECH does the scanning of the tests to check for cheating or tampering, so I'll take their word for it. Honestly, as someone already pointed out, one kid passing or failing can determine the AYP status of an entire school. We now spend more time working with a few kids who represent multiple categories (SWD and/or Economically Disadvantaged and/or minority) and less time with the majority of other kids in the school who are doing OK. That is bullcheeze, but that is how it works. The bar is set by those who achieve least.
What most of you people are missing about AYP scores is the yearly increase part. Even if a school (McClure Middle comes to mind) is doing a fabulous job, say over 95% of their kids passing the CRCT, they STILL HAVE TO HAVE AN INCREASE THE NEXT YEAR TO PASS until 100% passing is met (hence the name, No Child Left Behind). For a 95% school, it would take 99% (the increase is somewhere around 4% I think) to meet the next year. If you think that is realistic, keep looking for solutions. I think it's freaking nuts.
Reacting over the scores with panic is a sign that you folks are as tied to test scores as the federal government is. It is smoke up your butt, nothing more. A dirty numbers game.
Even in the lowest-scoring schools, at least half of the kids meet or exceed in all subjects. That means the material was presented adequately during the school year. Make what you will of that.
Damn, that was evil, woman. Teachers and kids busted their asses in those schools only to be accused of cheating? Paulding didn't have any schools flagged for cheating. GA TECH does the scanning of the tests to check for cheating or tampering, so I'll take their word for it. Honestly, as someone already pointed out, one kid passing or failing can determine the AYP status of an entire school. We now spend more time working with a few kids who represent multiple categories (SWD and/or Economically Disadvantaged and/or minority) and less time with the majority of other kids in the school who are doing OK. That is bullcheeze, but that is how it works. The bar is set by those who achieve least.
What most of you people are missing about AYP scores is the yearly increase part. Even if a school (McClure Middle comes to mind) is doing a fabulous job, say over 95% of their kids passing the CRCT, they STILL HAVE TO HAVE AN INCREASE THE NEXT YEAR TO PASS until 100% passing is met (hence the name, No Child Left Behind). For a 95% school, it would take 99% (the increase is somewhere around 4% I think) to meet the next year. If you think that is realistic, keep looking for solutions. I think it's freaking nuts.
Reacting over the scores with panic is a sign that you folks are as tied to test scores as the federal government is. It is smoke up your butt, nothing more. A dirty numbers game.
Even in the lowest-scoring schools, at least half of the kids meet or exceed in all subjects. That means the material was presented adequately during the school year. Make what you will of that.
You know I am always evil!!
I got a PM and it explained and filled me in on something. So I had an ah-ha moment. And like I said I would not ever give the test without another adult present...you are just setting yourself up if you do.
I don't know what two schools you are referring to, but if it is the ones I think. I can tell
you these teachers and principals have busted their butts with these students. I am very proud
of these teachers and students. You do know that one of them had a lot of their special
classes transferred. I also think this was a good idea.
I am at a loss too, you usally speak of Nebo in all your post, is that who you are talking about? I don't have kids there and haven't in quiet a some time. I don't keep up with Nebo, no kid there=no dog in that fight, no interest. I know when my child was there, the school did not meet AYP. Are they finally doing better and making it now?
I am at a loss too, you usally speak of Nebo in all your post, is that who you are talking about? I don't have kids there and haven't in quiet a some time. I don't keep up with Nebo, no kid there=no dog in that fight, no interest. I know when my child was there, the school did not meet AYP. Are they finally doing better and making it now?
Last year (or year before....they all blur together these days) I calculated that 18% of the students who took the CRCT at Nebo were in special education. That school housed several programs for the county---such as the autism program and a rather large MOID program. However, the year I looked at, the other categories were higher than most of the other elem schools in the county.....which made AYP.
The parameters used for this measure are EXTREMELY questionable (as described above). Moving control up the food chain of Government means increased admin cost and even less $ in the classroom. It is time the empower our teachers again. We've already proven that no child left behind = no child gets ahead.....
In the mean time, get involved! Know who is educating your child. Commit to reinforcing lessons at home. Teach manners and social skills (teachers lose hours of academics teaching basic manners). Volunteer, talking gets us nowhere. Any most importantly, PRAY for our schools. God's plan is much bigger than ours.
The parameters used for this measure are EXTREMELY questionable (as described above). Moving control up the food chain of Government means increased admin cost and even less $ in the classroom. It is time the empower our teachers again. We've already proven that no child left behind = no child gets ahead.....
In the mean time, get involved! Know who is educating your child. Commit to reinforcing lessons at home. Teach manners and social skills (teachers lose hours of academics teaching basic manners). Volunteer, talking gets us nowhere.Any most importantly, PRAY for our schools. God's plan is much bigger than ours.
I work in a surrounding county at an alternative school. The Principal is so focused on testing, she told the high school literature teachers they should not waste their time reading Romeo and Juliet in its entirety, that it's not necessary and there are only a few questions dealing with Shakespeare and Romeo and Juliet. I understand the desire for kids to do well on a test but how about the idea of reading a great novel or play, because it's great literature. This absolutely sickens me.
workingforaliving, on 06 August 2011 - 03:04 PM, said:
Last year (or year before....they all blur together these days) I calculated that 18% of the students who took the CRCT at Nebo were in special education. That school housed several programs for the county---such as the autism program and a rather large MOID program. However, the year I looked at, the other categories were higher than most of the other elem schools in the county.....which made AYP.
They have moved a lot of their special ed. But I can tell you these folks have worked their butts off
with special ed and regular ed too. I am so proud of them. South Paulding Middlechool made it and
came off the Needs Improvement list too.
They have moved a lot of their special ed. But I can tell you these folks have worked their butts off
with special ed and regular ed too. I am so proud of them. South Paulding Middlechool made it and
came off the Needs Improvement list too.
Nebo is an awesome school. We love, love everyone there, and we are missing them. DS is settling into SPMS, and it is going to be a great year!!!!
Happy Birthday to all 1973 babies. Tell your mom how much you love her!!!
SPMS Rocks! We made AYP last year and will do so again this year. We did not have an ESEP subgroup last year. However, we still would have made AYP if we had one because they made over a 10% increase in their scores. Since we aren't stupid enough to cheat, all of the praise should go to our students.
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