The first improvement is that the tutoring or transfers should only be for student's who are in the sub-group that is failing, or maybe if the student themselves are failing.
As it is, a parent who's kid is a straight A student can make the same demands as those who are failing. That dilutes resources takes them away from student that really need the help.
What's the percentage of the population in each district for the various sub groups, especially SWD?
If it's low, they aren't counted separately and a few failures won't bring the school down.
I think I am more concerned when the school does not "meet" in academics. That is the section I want to know more about and try to understand better.
I think I am more concerned when the school does not "meet" in academics. That is the section I want to know more about and try to understand better.
It still comes down to which student group(s) did not meet. If one group did not meet the academic (or any other) requirements, the entire school is treated as if no group met it.
As others have said, the entire school's rating is dependent on a small number of students.
Who is John Gault? - He's the successful business owner who didn't want to play by the new 'Law of the Land' so he closed up shop, packed up his stuff and left. He was joined by many other successful business owners who did the same. They stayed away until the government begged them to return and repealed the law.
It still comes down to which student group(s) did not meet. If one group did not meet the academic (or any other) requirements, the entire school is treated as if no group met it.
As others have said, the entire school's rating is dependent on a small number of students.
Thanks. I would also like to see some results from the last ITBS testing.
After 6 or 7 years of failure a school district can be required to pay for private tutoring. Is that correct? Could get very expensive. We have to find a way to improve this situation and sooner rather than later.
Teachers provide tutoring but kids don't come!!! Teachers try to give meaningful assignments but homework doesn't count!!! Teachers prepare for class and try to engage students, but several students brag about how they can take over the class leaving it almost impossible to teach!!! Even when students have books, they don't use them! I'm a little surprised that no one seems to be at all concerned with the "homework doesn't count" policy in PC...or the distraction of cell phones that can be used in school now...or the hours students spend on FB and texting - EVEN If they're failing a class! Do you parents really think teachers don't know this? We see them with their phones and many parents don't seem to be worried at all that their FB accounts are public and their pictures are racy...the priority in PC is NOT on education.
Teachers provide tutoring but kids don't come!!! Teachers try to give meaningful assignments but homework doesn't count!!! Teachers prepare for class and try to engage students, but several students brag about how they can take over the class leaving it almost impossible to teach!!! Even when students have books, they don't use them! I'm a little surprised that no one seems to be at all concerned with the "homework doesn't count" policy in PC...or the distraction of cell phones that can be used in school now...or the hours students spend on FB and texting - EVEN If they're failing a class! Do you parents really think teachers don't know this? We see them with their phones and many parents don't seem to be worried at all that their FB accounts are public and their pictures are racy...the priority in PC is NOT on education.
I do see your point. There is a lot of truth in this, but we need to be careful about generalizing to ALL parents/students. There are a lot of great parents out there and good students who do what is expected of them.
I do see your point. There is a lot of truth in this, but we need to be careful about generalizing to ALL parents/students. There are a lot of great parents out there and good students who do what is expected of them.
I see the point too and agree with your opinion about it. I especially agree with the point about homework. I still think the kids need books and a curriculum that can be sent to a parent or private tutor when the child needs more help than the teacher can give.
I do see your point. There is a lot of truth in this, but we need to be careful about generalizing to ALL parents/students. There are a lot of great parents out there and good students who do what is expected of them.
Oh of course!!! When I was teaching in Paulding I had at least as many students who would still do their homework (albeit periodically) and parents who supported me with my recommendations when they struggled. The trouble is, those students with supportive parents and families are stuck in classes with the kids of OTHER people. Some of those are just as loveable and want to succeed, but without the right support they drift away from what is recommended (i.e. study, practice, homework) and either barely make it through the grade inflation we hate to admit...or don't make it at all. Then there are a sizeable number of students who have little or no support at home in terms of academics and create mayhem in the classroom. In the end, those students who do what is expected of them do not end up affecting AYP negatively.
So just a quick shout-out to the awesome students I loved and their wonderful parents even if we had some give and take...in the end we worked together and their child made it to the next level.) Keep it up because it DOES make a difference. There may be days/times when your child balks at your support or tells you no one ELSE does homework or they don't have homework...but they need you to follow up and help them succeed. I taught math and always told concerned parents that they don't HAVE to teach their child math or help them with the math. They can, however, teach their child how to be a good math student!
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I see the point too and agree with your opinion about it. I especially agree with the point about homework. I still think the kids need books and a curriculum that can be sent to a parent or private tutor when the child needs more help than the teacher can give.
Which would be the ONLY way that someone outside of the school could help the child. We went through this with our dd last year. We couldn't help because there was no reference as to what was being covered...at all!
Which would be the ONLY way that someone outside of the school could help the child. We went through this with our dd last year. We couldn't help because there was no reference as to what was being covered...at all!
Been there too. That is how I know how hard it is. It is an impossible task no matter how much the parent cares. Try explaining it to the folks who developed this program.
Just got my letter yesterday that my son's school didnt meet AYP this year and we have the option to move him to a school that did meet. Really? like school starts Wednesday.
It appears to this layman that the "students with special needs" are sub-standard, not necessarily our whole school system. I don't really care about the students with special needs. And neither does the vast silent majority.
cobb transplant, on 31 July 2011 - 12:49 PM, said:
It appears to this layman that the "students with special needs" are sub-standard, not necessarily our whole school system. I don't really care about the students with special needs. And neither does the vast silent majority.
Unless your child has special needs, then it really doesn't matter to you that that subgroup is "underperforming."
cobb transplant, on 31 July 2011 - 12:49 PM, said:
It appears to this layman that the "students with special needs" are sub-standard, not necessarily our whole school system. I don't really care about the students with special needs. And neither does the vast silent majority.
Well that's just rude. If you had a kid that was much smarter then the average student, do you not think that kid falls into special needs? All three of my kids are special needs. No, they are not intelligence deficient. They are all brighter then a lot of other kids. Should I just accept less then what they can do simply because they aren't the average?
When talking about "special needs" we aren't just talking about the kids that need special help. We are also talking about those kids with a higher then average IQ.
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cobb transplant, on 31 July 2011 - 12:49 PM, said:
It appears to this layman that the "students with special needs" are sub-standard, not necessarily our whole school system. I don't really care about the students with special needs. And neither does the vast silent majority.
I think you are a troll and shame on you for saying this! Troll or not!
gog8tors, on 31 July 2011 - 12:59 PM, said:
Well that's just rude. If you had a kid that was much smarter then the average student, do you not think that kid falls into special needs? All three of my kids are special needs. No, they are not intelligence deficient. They are all brighter then a lot of other kids. Should I just accept less then what they can do simply because they aren't the average?
When talking about "special needs" we aren't just talking about the kids that need special help. We are also talking about those kids with a higher then average IQ.
They need more help too because they have a whole seperate set of serious issues to deal with!
Does anyone have any suggestions as to how we can get AYP up to satisfactory. One might think that if we let the Administrators from Allgood Elem., Burnt Hickory Elem., Connie Dugan Elem., Union Elem. and other distinguished middle and elementary schools run the system we may get the scores up.
Well that's just rude. If you had a kid that was much smarter then the average student, do you not think that kid falls into special needs? All three of my kids are special needs. No, they are not intelligence deficient. They are all brighter then a lot of other kids. Should I just accept less then what they can do simply because they aren't the average?
When talking about "special needs" we aren't just talking about the kids that need special help. We are also talking about those kids with a higher then average IQ.
The gifted program was pulled out of the special ed umbrella over a decade ago.
For the sake of categorizing SWD, there has to be a significant gap between where students should be performing and where they are performing and the reason for the gap has to fall into one of the 13 "reasons" that the feds give.
I don't think this guy was being a troll, but stating his opinion.As a parent, I honestly don't care how the SWD are performing at my child's school.....because that program does not impact her.
Does anyone have any suggestions as to how we can get AYP up to satisfactory. One might think that if we let the Administrators from Allgood Elem., Burnt Hickory Elem., Connie Dugan Elem., Union Elem. and other distinguished middle and elementary schools run the system we may get the scores up.
Those schools tend to not have a SWD subgroup. It's easy to make AYP without that subgroup.
workingforaliving, on 31 July 2011 - 01:07 PM, said:
The gifted program was pulled out of the special ed umbrella over a decade ago.
For the sake of categorizing SWD, there has to be a significant gap between where students should be performing and where they are performing and the reason for the gap has to fall into one of the 13 "reasons" that the feds give.
I don't think this guy was being a troll, but stating his opinion.As a parent, I honestly don't care how the SWD are performing at my child's school.....because that program does not impact her.
That's a shame. No wonder so many kids that fall into that category fail, (behavior, etc.)
If SWD adds or takes away from AYP, then it does impact your student. Not all kids that are SWD are in a self contained room (but, you knew that) they are in the co- taught classes. Because of this your student does benefit from the SWD kids.
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Does anyone have any suggestions as to how we can get AYP up to satisfactory. One might think that if we let the Administrators from Allgood Elem., Burnt Hickory Elem., Connie Dugan Elem., Union Elem. and other distinguished middle and elementary schools run the system we may get the scores up.
First, look at what sub groups are not performing well. If you student is doing well and not in one of those sub groups, don't worry too much about AYP.
As a parent, maybe you could volunteer to work with students in under performing groups, to help bring their scores up.
The problem is, many of the schools are bring brought down by just a few students in the SWD category. As long as SWD are counted the same as average students, there is probably no way to bring the scores up to satisfactory. I'm sure many are performing the best they can, but it's a major flaw in the system when a few underperformed students in a subgroup who are working to the best of their ability can bring down the entire school.
Who is John Gault? - He's the successful business owner who didn't want to play by the new 'Law of the Land' so he closed up shop, packed up his stuff and left. He was joined by many other successful business owners who did the same. They stayed away until the government begged them to return and repealed the law.
1. Get the Administrators from schools like Allgood and Union and let them run the district.
OR
2. Build more Gym's and Auditoriums, add more trailers, hire more coaches, and do away with reading, writing and arithmetic.
What categories of student didn't meet AYP at you child's school? How will this help those students pass?
Who is John Gault? - He's the successful business owner who didn't want to play by the new 'Law of the Land' so he closed up shop, packed up his stuff and left. He was joined by many other successful business owners who did the same. They stayed away until the government begged them to return and repealed the law.
1. Get the Administrators from schools like Allgood and Union and let them run the district.
OR
2. Build more Gym's and Auditoriums, add more trailers, hire more coaches, and do away with reading, writing and arithmetic.
I'm not really sure that you have a good grasp as to all that actually goes on in the schools. I do hope that the admin of those schools are wonderful and I'm glad they made AYP. There's a lot more to making AYP than getting a good admin in the building, although it does help . Many of the schools that did not make AYP also have great administrators, teachers, and other staff.
I'm not really sure that you have a good grasp as to all that actually goes on in the schools. I do hope that the admin of those schools are wonderful and I'm glad they made AYP. There's a lot more to making AYP than getting a good admin in the building, although it does help . Many of the schools that did not make AYP also have great administrators, teachers, and other staff.
Come on. We are in America we can do anything we want. Making excuses for kids is WHY we are in the situation we are, we put more emphasis on sports and other extra curricular activity than we do academics. DO NOT ALLOW a child to participate in any extra curricular activity UNLESS the meet academic standards. No football, Soccer, Band, etc. unless they have a B average. The Quarterback that is failing in math should not be allowed to play. Lighten UP!
Come on. We are in America we can do anything we want. Making excuses for kids is WHY we are in the situation we are, we put more emphasis on sports and other extra curricular activity than we do academics. DO NOT ALLOW a child to participate in any extra curricular activity UNLESS the meet academic standards. No football, Soccer, Band, etc. unless they have a B average. The Quarterback that is failing in math should not be allowed to play. Lighten UP!
I can't disagree with that . . . (damn)
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Thanks Joe, Think about it! If there is a child out there that is handicapped they are not enrolled in the regular school system and are in a special school. The problem is the parent that laughs when their child is expelled for bullying etc.. They are the issues. The kids that are enrolled in Paulding have "Qualified" to be in that school. That would indicate that child has the smarts to adapt to the curriculum. When they start to fail its the Parents fault. Why can a child do good in Elementary and Middle School and all four of the High Schools have a problem. Parents!!!!! When the child starts to fail Mom and Dad blame it on the teachers. WRONG parent, give your child some attention not a car and a wii. Use that CASH for a tutor. Don't blame the system!!!!
Thanks Joe, Think about it! If there is a child out there that is handicapped they are not enrolled in the regular school system and are in a special school. The problem is the parent that laughs when their child is expelled for bullying etc.. They are the issues. The kids that are enrolled in Paulding have "Qualified" to be in that school. That would indicate that child has the smarts to adapt to the curriculum. When they start to fail its the Parents fault. Why can a child do good in Elementary and Middle School and all four of the High Schools have a problem. Parents!!!!! When the child starts to fail Mom and Dad blame it on the teachers. WRONG parent, give your child some attention not a car and a wii. Use that CASH for a tutor. Don't blame the system!!!!
You really don't know ANYTHING about the schools, do you?
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Thanks Joe, Think about it! If there is a child out there that is handicapped they are not enrolled in the regular school system and are in a special school. The problem is the parent that laughs when their child is expelled for bullying etc.. They are the issues. The kids that are enrolled in Paulding have "Qualified" to be in that school. That would indicate that child has the smarts to adapt to the curriculum. When they start to fail its the Parents fault. Why can a child do good in Elementary and Middle School and all four of the High Schools have a problem. Parents!!!!! When the child starts to fail Mom and Dad blame it on the teachers. WRONG parent, give your child some attention not a car and a wii. Use that CASH for a tutor. Don't blame the system!!!!
uhh....there is no qualification process for attending public school. Way to break federal law.
Thanks Joe, Think about it! If there is a child out there that is handicapped they are not enrolled in the regular school system and are in a special school.
Really? I guess you can tell us what school those with disabilities go to in Paulding County.
When you're researching that answer, you will find that they are enrolled in and attend regular schools.
Who is John Gault? - He's the successful business owner who didn't want to play by the new 'Law of the Land' so he closed up shop, packed up his stuff and left. He was joined by many other successful business owners who did the same. They stayed away until the government begged them to return and repealed the law.
cobb transplant, on 31 July 2011 - 12:49 PM, said:
It appears to this layman that the "students with special needs" are sub-standard, not necessarily our whole school system. I don't really care about the students with special needs. And neither does the vast silent majority.
I can hardly find the words that I want to respond to this. I know what I want to say but I need to say it in an appropriate way and that is what is making it so difficult for me. ESEP or as you called it "students with special needs" is a VERY broad group of students. If you were to visit a school you would probably be able to pick out some of the special needs children by the way the look, talk, act, etc, This group is the minority in the special needs department. The vast majority of special needs children have a disability that requires specific tools and techniques to make their educational experience successful.
It is a misconception to think that,as you stated, "students with special needs" are sub-That is stereotyping at its worst. I can give you my two personal examples. Both my sons who have now graduated were special needs. The oldest has Tourettes and Aspergers. If you met him you would not know he had special needs but he required minor modifications to help him be successful. My younger son has Tourettes and ADHD he also required only a few minor modifications. The problem seems to be that there are so many parents who ask for the moon and the stars that students like my own sometimes get overlooked because they do require the least amount of support.
I think the majority of people would be surprised to see just how many ESEP kids there are in the schools. And I would venture to say that if all the school was put in the gym the average person wouldn't be able to pick out half of them.
I think theentire testing system is flawed as well as the no child left behind crap...I am tired of everything being blamed on the special ed kids. By the way both my boys are college students now and doing great!
Look at the elementary and middle schools. Does the child become disabled when they go to High School? For instance, where do the Paulding High students come from. Come on Parents "Lighten Up"!
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Thanks Joe, Think about it! If there is a child out there that is handicapped they are not enrolled in the regular school system and are in a special school. The problem is the parent that laughs when their child is expelled for bullying etc.. They are the issues. The kids that are enrolled in Paulding have "Qualified" to be in that school. That would indicate that child has the smarts to adapt to the curriculum. When they start to fail its the Parents fault. Why can a child do good in Elementary and Middle School and all four of the High Schools have a problem. Parents!!!!! When the child starts to fail Mom and Dad blame it on the teachers. WRONG parent, give your child some attention not a car and a wii. Use that CASH for a tutor. Don't blame the system!!!!
1. Any child, with ANY special needs can be enrolled in the public school system. I have experienced a child who had multiple health issues, was mentally on the level of a two month old, had to be suctioned every few minutes to breath, fed through a tube, blind, unable to communicate in any way, and could not even be in a wheel chair, but was in a sort of portable wheeled bed. That child attended a public school classroom. I know of a student who was 16, over 6 feet tall, built like a truck (stronger than most men) who had severe autism and would react extremely violently frequently. He had injured family, neighbors, school staff, etc. He attended public middle school in this county when he was not institutionalized in a hospital
2. Special needs (ESEP) can include the students listed above and can also include the Venture (advanced) level student with severe behavior issues (EBD). Yes, a student can be Venture and ESEP at the same time. It can include the student who takes honors classes but has a disability in writing so that they need a specialized computer or keyboard to type the assignments and have a teacher to modify some of the assignments so that they have the same access to the curriculum as any other student.
3. In middle school there are no sports and there are limited extra-curricular activities. It is now all community leagues.
4. Not making AYP does not mean a school is not educating children. It means that the school did not meet all of the arbitrary rules the government imposed, some of which make sense, and others do not.
I'd like to reiterate, that I was agreeing with this post,
Shagnastey, on 31 July 2011 - 05:10 PM, said:
. . . Making excuses for kids is WHY we are in the situation we are, we put more emphasis on sports and other extra curricular activity than we do academics. DO NOT ALLOW a child to participate in any extra curricular activity UNLESS the meet academic standards. No football, Soccer, Band, etc. unless they have a B average. The Quarterback that is failing in math should not be allowed to play. Lighten UP!
not that other gibberish . . .
Speak little, trust few, always paddle your own canoe . . .
1. Any child, with ANY special needs can be enrolled in the public school system. I have experienced a child who had multiple health issues, was mentally on the level of a two month old, had to be suctioned every few minutes to breath, fed through a tube, blind, unable to communicate in any way, and could not even be in a wheel chair, but was in a sort of portable wheeled bed. That child attended a public school classroom. I know of a student who was 16, over 6 feet tall, built like a truck (stronger than most men) who had severe autism and would react extremely violently frequently. He had injured family, neighbors, school staff, etc. He attended public middle school in this county when he was not institutionalized in a hospital
2. Special needs (ESEP) can include the students listed above and can also include the Venture (advanced) level student with severe behavior issues (EBD). Yes, a student can be Venture and ESEP at the same time. It can include the student who takes honors classes but has a disability in writing so that they need a specialized computer or keyboard to type the assignments and have a teacher to modify some of the assignments so that they have the same access to the curriculum as any other student.
3. In middle school there are no sports and there are limited extra-curricular activities. It is now all community leagues.
4. Not making AYP does not mean a school is not educating children. It means that the school did not meet all of the arbitrary rules the government imposed, some of which make sense, and others do not.
Actually there are middle school teams. They are the feeder teams for the High Schools. They are in no way associated with the community leagues.
Other then that I agree.
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1. Any child, with ANY special needs can be enrolled in the public school system. I have experienced a child who had multiple health issues, was mentally on the level of a two month old, had to be suctioned every few minutes to breath, fed through a tube, blind, unable to communicate in any way, and could not even be in a wheel chair, but was in a sort of portable wheeled bed. That child attended a public school classroom. I know of a student who was 16, over 6 feet tall, built like a truck (stronger than most men) who had severe autism and would react extremely violently frequently. He had injured family, neighbors, school staff, etc. He attended public middle school in this county when he was not institutionalized in a hospital
2. Special needs (ESEP) can include the students listed above and can also include the Venture (advanced) level student with severe behavior issues (EBD). Yes, a student can be Venture and ESEP at the same time. It can include the student who takes honors classes but has a disability in writing so that they need a specialized computer or keyboard to type the assignments and have a teacher to modify some of the assignments so that they have the same access to the curriculum as any other student.
3. In middle school there are no sports and there are limited extra-curricular activities. It is now all community leagues.
4. Not making AYP does not mean a school is not educating children. It means that the school did not meet all of the arbitrary rules the government imposed, some of which make sense, and others do not.
Actually there are middle school teams. They are the feeder teams for the High Schools. They are in no way associated with the community leagues.
Other then that I agree.
There are no middle school teams supported by the school system. The teams are supported by the rec. center or athletic associations but not by the schools.
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markdavd, on 25 July 2011 - 10:15 AM, said:
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It is an impossible task no matter how much the parent cares. 
Try explaining it to the folks who developed this program.
. Many of the schools that did not make AYP also have great administrators, teachers, and other staff.
