Athletic programs need parental support, administration support and community support. PCHS has lost all three. Parents really feel like they have no voice. How many times have parents addressed issues with the administration (specifically the awful athletic director), but legitimate concerns seems to fall on deaf ears.
Start with the basics, good equipment, good facilities and good communication with parents. Keep things simple and understand that athletics should focus on teamwork. Winners are made by smart practice methods, parental support in the home and by staying focused in the classroom. You need all three before ever getting into the game. A good coach and athletic director can evaluate at what players they have, teach methods to maximize the individuals talent, yet keep the focus on the team. Successful coaches will keep the kids interested and begging for more. PCHS has lost focus. Remember the memories the coaches and administrators are making for the teams are ones they will have forever. Unfortunately for the kids at PCHS, instead of having a memory that was fun and successful, well their memories will be something else.
Maybe that is they way it used to be. It certainly wasn't the feeling or impression I got last Wednesday. You can PM me the AD name. The coaches I met seemed to genuinely care about the kids. Apparently the teachers let the coaches know how the student athletes are doing. Maybe this is just at the middle school level, but I can not imagine that it would change once the kids got to high school. I did not pick up on anything less then excitement from the booster club president and the others that were there. There was quite a crowd at the meeting too.
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It's great to see Mr. Fincher back in his role as a principal. PCHS is extremely fortunate to have him assuming leadership there. He was a fine principal at Hiram High. He plays well with others, listens, and stands by his word.
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I just heard about a kid that threw a chair in one class and then uploaded a porno site in keyboarding. Nothing was done to him from what I heard.
I have heard several stories about teachers not getting along and confusion with the schedule.
I have talked to several teachers in the school that think the discipline is a joke in the school.
I have observed terrible behavior in the hallways and gym.
Just pointing out the obvious.
And, not a single one of those things you just listed is specific to this school.
It's great to see Mr. Fincher back in his role as a principal. PCHS is extremely fortunate to have him assuming leadership there. He was a fine principal at Hiram High. He plays well with others, listens, and stands by his word.
And I understand he supports his teachers and gets respect by giving it.
I'm not sure what you mean by saying "specific to this school".
I'm afraid it was and all the info came from staff at the school and my observations.
I meant that just about every middle school in the county is in that same boat.
Kids looking up pornography is a parenting problem and happens all over the country.
Teachers not getting along? Happens everywhere.
Scheduling conflicts happen when budget cuts give you more kids than seats in a classroom and you have to work in venture and ESEP.
Ask any teacher at any school on any given day and they'll tell you that dicipline is a joke at their school.
I'm not sure what you mean about the hallways and gym. As far as the gym, there are 40 kids to a PE class and 3-4 PE classes per class period. Even the best diciplinarian is going to have trouble. And in the halls....well....halls have been chaos since I was in school. I don't expect that to change. If you put 900 kids in the hall at the same time....
My point, I guess, is that your statements were unfair. You're pretty critical of DMS in many of your postings. Any reason for that?
workingforaliving, on 08 April 2011 - 11:21 AM, said:
I meant that just about every middle school in the county is in that same boat.
Kids looking up pornography is a parenting problem and happens all over the country.
Teachers not getting along? Happens everywhere.
Scheduling conflicts happen when budget cuts give you more kids than seats in a classroom and you have to work in venture and ESEP.
Ask any teacher at any school on any given day and they'll tell you that dicipline is a joke at their school.
I'm not sure what you mean about the hallways and gym. As far as the gym, there are 40 kids to a PE class and 3-4 PE classes per class period. Even the best diciplinarian is going to have trouble. And in the halls....well....halls have been chaos since I was in school. I don't expect that to change. If you put 900 kids in the hall at the same time....
My point, I guess, is that your statements were unfair. You're pretty critical of DMS in many of your postings. Any reason for that?
Too many issues at the school with many of them having to do with the adm. and their lack of support for the teachers and understanding of school operation.
Segars is a tough cookie. Many teachers don't like him, many students and parents don't either. It's because he is tough. He shoots from the hips and gives straight answers. Some don't agree with his answers, but he's a man of his word. He also makes decisions that are best for the child and his/her education.
I taught under Mr. Segars and he's very intimidating. He demands that people do their job as he does his. It's not so much to ask. After teaching under him, I became a better teacher. I didn't always agree with his decisions, but he earned my total respect.
I remember how horrible PCHS was with fights every week. When Segars was hired, I knew he'd get the job done. He did. Please show him the respect he deserves. You might not agree with his decision-making, but PCHS became a safe place to learn again.
Segars is a tough cookie. Many teachers don't like him, many students and parents don't either. It's because he is tough. He shoots from the hips and gives straight answers. Some don't agree with his answers, but he's a man of his word. He also makes decisions that are best for the child and his/her education.
I taught under Mr. Segars and he's very intimidating. He demands that people do their job as he does his. It's not so much to ask. After teaching under him, I became a better teacher. I didn't always agree with his decisions, but he earned my total respect.
I remember how horrible PCHS was with fights every week. When Segars was hired, I knew he'd get the job done. He did. Please show him the respect he deserves. You might not agree with his decision-making, but PCHS became a safe place to learn again.
Enough said.
I too worked with Segars in years past and have always found him to be a straight shooter who sets high expectations for himself and those around him. My guess is those who had issues with him (actually not too much of a guess) are those who either did not bother to do their job correctly OR parents who thought their little angel should not be in trouble for acting up....Jane Doe said it best, I may not have always agreed with his decisions, but I always respected him and his job....AND he always gave me the same respect!
I too worked with Segars in years past and have always found him to be a straight shooter who sets high expectations for himself and those around him. My guess is those who had issues with him (actually not too much of a guess) are those who either did not bother to do their job correctly OR parents who thought their little angel should not be in trouble for acting up....Jane Doe said it best, I may not have always agreed with his decisions, but I always respected him and his job....AND he always gave me the same respect!
Wow, there are 2 of us!
Segars was hard to work under sometimes, but I've never seen a principal more visible in the school than he. You're post is exactly right. Segars is someone who has high expectations for everyone involved in the education of his students.
Segars was hard to work under sometimes, but I've never seen a principal more visible in the school than he. You're post is exactly right. Segars is someone who has high expectations for everyone involved in the education of his students.
Mr. Fincher will be the new principal at Paulding County High. THANKS BOE for finally getting something right. He's going to wonders for the morale of the staff, students and parents at PCHS!
Goodbye and good riddance to the current principal. They should have fired his butt 4 years ago!
Now, the superintendant needs to fire the athletic director at PCHS and I'll shut up for a little while.
I hate that I'm graduating this year... the past 4 years with Mr. Segars was not what I wanted......... and I will shut up when they scrap the entire admin and start fresh!
Sometimes you just have to fake a smile, pretend everything's okay, hold back the tears, and just walk away...
I hate that I'm graduating this year... the past 4 years with Mr. Segars was not what I wanted......... and I will shut up when they scrap the entire admin and start fresh!
I will accept that Mr. Segars has done a great job with discipline. He has zero people skills, demotivates rather than motivates, and has chased off some wonderful talent. I do not accept your reality - but you won't even acknowledge that others do not see it your way.
I think Mr. Fincher incorporates the humanity of Mr. Gottwald with the discipline of Mr. Segars and should be an improvement.
I will accept that Mr. Segars has done a great job with discipline. He has zero people skills, demotivates rather than motivates, and has chased off some wonderful talent. I do not accept your reality - but you won't even acknowledge that others do not see it your way.
I think Mr. Fincher incorporates the humanity of Mr. Gottwald with the discipline of Mr. Segars and should be an improvement.
I hope Fincher can keep the discipline. Before Segars, we were reading about fights almost weekly. Fights so bad they had to call in the SO.
Who is John Gault? - He's the successful business owner who didn't want to play by the new 'Law of the Land' so he closed up shop, packed up his stuff and left. He was joined by many other successful business owners who did the same. They stayed away until the government begged them to return and repealed the law.
I hate that I'm graduating this year... the past 4 years with Mr. Segars was not what I wanted......... and I will shut up when they scrap the entire admin and start fresh!
And can you please enlighten us as to why (with specifics) the "entire admin should be scrapped?" Is it because they have simply done their jobs and expected students to behave in a respectful manner?
Good grief.....no wonder some of our great administrators choose to move on and go elsewhere. So much for doing a great job as it is now evidently a popularity contest - very, very sad especially when it comes to our school system.
I don't know but it appears to me that "some" simply can't accept our administrators doing their job if it doesn't suit their particular agenda and maybe "some" won't accept their own faults and consistently blame others. Very sad........
And can you please enlighten us as to why (with specifics) the "entire admin should be scrapped?" Is it because they have simply done their jobs and expected students to behave in a respectful manner?
Good grief.....no wonder some of our great administrators choose to move on and go elsewhere. So much for doing a great job as it is now evidently a popularity contest - very, very sad especially when it comes to our school system.
I don't know but it appears to me that "some" simply can't accept our administrators doing their job if it doesn't suit their particular agenda and maybe "some" won't accept their own faults and consistently blame others. Very sad........
You forget she didn't get immediate answers to her graduation/senior pictures and such. Oh and B/C she is 17 or so and thinks she is an adult just b/c she has a baby and is still going to school yadda, yadda. It's all about her. Even with a baby in tow I was able to know what was going on with my senior year, and this was way back in the 80's. Wonder if she is on that teen mom show?
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I don't know anything about the new principal but it always frustrates me when schools, teachers, or administartors get blamed for unruly behavior. They are so limited! Outside of suspending kids, what can they do? And by the time kids to high school, the administartors have to consider that a student who is suspended will likely drop out and then they will have to contend with having a school with the highest drop out rate. It's always something! There are some kids who will change their actions based on some disciplinary action and others who just get worse by the minute. I wish the parents had to be disciplined! There are too many parents who simply don't want to deal with their kid. Kudos to the parents who hold their children accountable and get involved at the elementary level and stay involved on through high school. It is the children of THESE parents that rarely cause problems. It starts at home and I pity schools and teachers who left to deal with the students who's parents could care less. Teachers are paid (very little) to teach a subject and to prepare kids for their futures. They are NOT paid to act as security guards. It's unfortunate because the kids who are willing to learn have to sacrifice their learning time as attention is focused on a few "bad apples".
You forget she didn't get immediate answers to her graduation/senior pictures and such. Oh and B/C she is 17 or so and thinks she is an adult just b/c she has a baby and is still going to school yadda, yadda. It's all about her. Even with a baby in tow I was able to know what was going on with my senior year, and this was way back in the 80's. Wonder if she is on that teen mom show?
I think she also complied that she was taking classes at a college or somewhere and the PCHS administrators didn't make an effort to contact to let her know about upcoming events.
Who is John Gault? - He's the successful business owner who didn't want to play by the new 'Law of the Land' so he closed up shop, packed up his stuff and left. He was joined by many other successful business owners who did the same. They stayed away until the government begged them to return and repealed the law.
I think she also complied that she was taking classes at a college or somewhere and the PCHS administrators didn't make an effort to contact to let her know about upcoming events.
That's true too. But, I bet she knew who was sleeping with who and what the latest drama was at the HS.
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That's true too. But, I bet she knew who was sleeping with who and what the latest drama was at the HS.
Pardon me but even if she did know that (which MOST of the kids in the school do, it gets around)what does that have to do with her issues with the communication from her high school? It would be much easier for her to drop out and live off of the system but she is trying so therefore I give her credit for that. Unless you have dealt with the PCHS administration then you really can't say much about the situation. I am an involved parent, have been since Pre-K and I will continue to do so but you do NOT get any response from administration when you try to contact them (if you have issues or questions). It doesn't matter if this young lady has 'heard' gossip like everyone else, they should have enough consideration to respond to her so that she may participate in activities for her senior year.
And can you please enlighten us as to why (with specifics) the "entire admin should be scrapped?" Is it because they have simply done their jobs and expected students to behave in a respectful manner?
Good grief.....no wonder some of our great administrators choose to move on and go elsewhere. So much for doing a great job as it is now evidently a popularity contest - very, very sad especially when it comes to our school system.
I don't know but it appears to me that "some" simply can't accept our administrators doing their job if it doesn't suit their particular agenda and maybe "some" won't accept their own faults and consistently blame others. Very sad........
The only 'job' that anyone on here keeps stating that Segars has done is a 'behavior' change. There is more to his job than that alone. There is no particular agenda, there is no fault to take responsiblity for and there is no blame put onto others. This is about a number of issues that have been listed many, many times and when those issues are questioned by anyone they are simply ignored. I guess if that's blaming someone then so be it.
I don't know anything about the new principal but it always frustrates me when schools, teachers, or administartors get blamed for unruly behavior. They are so limited! Outside of suspending kids, what can they do? And by the time kids to high school, the administartors have to consider that a student who is suspended will likely drop out and then they will have to contend with having a school with the highest drop out rate. It's always something! There are some kids who will change their actions based on some disciplinary action and others who just get worse by the minute. I wish the parents had to be disciplined! There are too many parents who simply don't want to deal with their kid. Kudos to the parents who hold their children accountable and get involved at the elementary level and stay involved on through high school. It is the children of THESE parents that rarely cause problems. It starts at home and I pity schools and teachers who left to deal with the students who's parents could care less. Teachers are paid (very little) to teach a subject and to prepare kids for their futures. They are NOT paid to act as security guards. It's unfortunate because the kids who are willing to learn have to sacrifice their learning time as attention is focused on a few "bad apples".
I agree, some parents just don't care how their kids behave. Don't know how Segars did it but he did get the behavior problems under control. Whatever he did, it worked!!I'm sure the new one will do a great job.
The only 'job' that anyone on here keeps stating that Segars has done is a 'behavior' change. There is more to his job than that alone. There is no particular agenda, there is no fault to take responsiblity for and there is no blame put onto others. This is about a number of issues that have been listed many, many times and when those issues are questioned by anyone they are simply ignored. I guess if that's blaming someone then so be it.
I believe if they were honest, the boss that made the decision for Segars to go to Dobbins and then to PCHS wanted him to improve discipline and were prepared to back him. The new board office adm. probably would not support him.
The only 'job' that anyone on here keeps stating that Segars has done is a 'behavior' change. There is more to his job than that alone. There is no particular agenda, there is no fault to take responsibility for and there is no blame put onto others. This is about a number of issues that have been listed many, many times and when those issues are questioned by anyone they are simply ignored. I guess if that's blaming someone then so be it.
The only issue that seems to be a problem is that the lower administration doesn't return phone calls fast enough. Doesn't sound like Mr.Seagers did anything less then what he was apparently put in place to do. I haven't seen any specific issues listed in reference to Mr.Seagers specifically. From the complaints (vague as they are) seems like some MIGHT be teachers who are now held accountable. Whereas before they weren't. Perhaps the alleged issues were addressed, just not to the satisfaction of those that were complaining. But, this man is gone. So lets go on a witch hunt for the next victim.
If the girl's senior year meant so much to her she should have made the effort to find out herself what she needed to know. She is the one that waited until it dawned on her that she had not heard about the activities for the seniors. Sorry, been there done that.
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The only issue that seems to be a problem is that the lower administration doesn't return phone calls fast enough. Doesn't sound like Mr.Seagers did anything less then what he was apparently put in place to do. I haven't seen any specific issues listed in reference to Mr.Seagers specifically. From the complaints (vague as they are) seems like some MIGHT be teachers who are now held accountable. Whereas before they weren't. Perhaps the alleged issues were addressed, just not to the satisfaction of those that were complaining. But, this man is gone. So lets go on a witch hunt for the next victim.
If the girl's senior year meant so much to her she should have made the effort to find out herself what she needed to know. She is the one that waited until it dawned on her that she had not heard about the activities for the seniors. Sorry, been there done that.
Haha, doesn't return calls fast enough? How about they don't return them at all! Nor do they return emails.
Teachers being held accountable? Nahh, I don't think any of the complaints are teachers (they have no spirit left to speak up), just concerned parents. As far as issues being addressed, to my knowledge they have not.
Correct me if I am wrong, and I'm sure on pcom someone will certainly do that but if I remember correctly, she made attempts to contact the school questioning the upcoming events since she is not there everyday and no one would return her calls. I don't have her post in front of me so I don't remember exactly but I'm pretty sure that was her complaint, that she had tried to get the information she needed and no one would help her with it.
I truly wish that you had some experience in ANY of the situations rather than assuming that the complaints are based on some not 'getting their way' or an assumption that some complaints might be based on little Johnny getting in trouble and parents not wanting them diciplined. Neither are the case for my feelings or opinions on the subject and I know others are not based on that either.
For everyone on the 'band wagon' for Seagers, I haven't seen one person show any interest in having him come to 'their' schools. I guess everyone thinks their schools are perfect and there's no need for him there but NO school is perfect.
Haha, doesn't return calls fast enough? How about they don't return them at all! Nor do they return emails.
Teachers being held accountable? Nahh, I don't think any of the complaints are teachers (they have no spirit left to speak up), just concerned parents. As far as issues being addressed, to my knowledge they have not.
Doesn't sound like it's just parents. Could it be because these alleged problems are "private?"
Correct me if I am wrong, and I'm sure on pcom someone will certainly do that but if I remember correctly, she made attempts to contact the school questioning the upcoming events since she is not there everyday and no one would return her calls. I don't have her post in front of me so I don't remember exactly but I'm pretty sure that was her complaint, that she had tried to get the information she needed and no one would help her with it.
She waited till it dawned on her that she had not heard anything. Then and only then did she around to looking into these things. Aren't senior pictures done during the summer between your junior and senior year? Yes, I read her post/topics/rants, and truthfully they sounded like she thought they should have bent over just for her. Really? How many kids do they have to deal with?
I truly wish that you had some experience in ANY of the situations rather than assuming that the complaints are based on some not 'getting their way' or an assumption that some complaints might be based on little Johnny getting in trouble and parents not wanting them disciplined. Neither are the case for my feelings or opinions on the subject and I know others are not based on that either.
For everyone on the 'band wagon' for Seagers, I haven't seen one person show any interest in having him come to 'their' schools. I guess everyone thinks their schools are perfect and there's no need for him there but NO school is perfect.
Sounds like there is at least one person that would like to have him back.
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All I can say is I'm glad he's gone. I could ramble on about unresponsive staff or condescending attitude or incompetent assistant principals, or awful attitude towards the athletic programs or inability to motivate, but I think I'll just chill for a while and see how Mr. Fincher does.
"I think we agree, the past is over."
George W. Bush
All I can say is I'm glad he's gone. I could ramble on about unresponsive staff or condescending attitude or incompetent assistant principals, or awful attitude towards the athletic programs or inability to motivate, but I think I'll just chill for a while and see how Mr. Fincher does.
Lee Segars is awesome. The teachers who don't like him are the ones who have been called on the carpet for slacking in their duties. I have worked under him, and he is very ethical. He expects his teachers to do their jobs. I wouldn't be surprised if the parents who complain about him are the ones whose children have been disciplined by him. I have never worked for a principal with better judgement than him. Say what you will, but he has always been up front with his expectations of both teachers and students.
This post has been edited by TOTOA: 25 May 2011 - 08:22 PM
"Obstacles are what you see when you take your eyes off of the goal."
Well TOTOA, looks like he was unable to acquire another position, and if you say he is great then the present administration would just have moved him. So, he leaves retired and leaves the state....notice that you have only posted 25 times, so you are real active. If he had the backing a job would have been easy for him. I know of many a teacher that has left and been very successful. So maybe you can compare with Mr. Fincher when he takes over, and you can post next year just what you think of him. 7 yrs and 24 posts, so that will let you post about the new principal next year, since you work out at PCHS, the former School of Excellence.
Well TOTOA, looks like he was unable to acquire another position, and if you say he is great then the present administration would just have moved him. So, he leaves retired and leaves the state....notice that you have only posted 25 times, so you are real active. If he had the backing a job would have been easy for him. I know of many a teacher that has left and been very successful. So maybe you can compare with Mr. Fincher when he takes over, and you can post next year just what you think of him. 7 yrs and 24 posts, so that will let you post about the new principal next year, since you work out at PCHS, the former School of Excellence.
I am not really understanding why the number of TOTOA's posts is relevent to how he/she feels about Segars. Maybe if people didn't critisize others for their opinions so much on PCom there would be a larger variety of posters. Everyone is entitiled to their opinions, even when it is not popular. For the record, I never worked for Segars but he was the principal there the last two years of my son's high school years and I never had a problem with him.
(I hope I have posted enough in the past several years to warrant an opinion)
Well TOTOA, looks like he was unable to acquire another position, and if you say he is great then the present administration would just have moved him. So, he leaves retired and leaves the state....notice that you have only posted 25 times, so you are real active. If he had the backing a job would have been easy for him. I know of many a teacher that has left and been very successful. So maybe you can compare with Mr. Fincher when he takes over, and you can post next year just what you think of him. 7 yrs and 24 posts, so that will let you post about the new principal next year, since you work out at PCHS, the former School of Excellence.
So are you saying that just because TOTOA doesn't post here often, his or her opinion is not valid? Did it ever occur to you smy34 that maybe Mr. Segars didn't seek another position within the county and chose to retire and move out of state?
It is so sad that a person can't just simply put in long hard years at a job, choose to retire, and continues to be degraded on a public message forum. Ignorance abounds.........
This post has been edited by Beach Bum: 26 May 2011 - 06:33 AM
To say nothing about the ludicrous asserion that a job "would have been easy for him." As if school jobs, particularly administrative jobs, are easy to come by in this era of budget cuts. A few years ago, perhaps, but now? Someone is woefully uninformed.
Athletic programs need parental support, administration support and community support. PCHS has lost all three. Parents really feel like they have no voice. How many times have parents addressed issues with the administration (specifically the awful athletic director), but legitimate concerns seems to fall on deaf ears.
Start with the basics, good equipment, good facilities and good communication with parents. Keep things simple and understand that athletics should focus on teamwork. Winners are made by smart practice methods, parental support in the home and by staying focused in the classroom. You need all three before ever getting into the game. A good coach and athletic director can evaluate at what players they have, teach methods to maximize the individuals talent, yet keep the focus on the team. Successful coaches will keep the kids interested and begging for more. PCHS has lost focus. Remember the memories the coaches and administrators are making for the teams are ones they will have forever. Unfortunatley for the kids at PCHS, instead of having a memory that was fun and successful, well their memories will be something else.
Are the boosters doing their share to raise money for the facilities/equipment or is it just "gimme, gimme, gimme"? I know E-SPLOST funding can be utilized towards facilities; however, it has to be in the SPLOST notebook...
This post has been edited by Epiphany: 26 May 2011 - 07:19 AM
Where would we be without the agitators of the world attaching the electrodes of knowledge to the nipples of ignorance?
Lee Segars is awesome. The teachers who don't like him are the ones who have been called on the carpet for slacking in their duties. I have worked under him, and he is very ethical. He expects his teachers to do their jobs. I wouldn't be surprised if the parents who complain about him are the ones whose children have been disciplined by him. I have never worked for a principal with better judgement than him. Say what you will, but he has always been up front with his expectations of both teachers and students.
I am glad he's leaving.
I've always thought a good lashing with a buggy whip would benefit you immensely.
(Rhett Butler speaking to Miss Scarlett)
From a parents point of view - I was very proud to say that my student, that is also an athlete, had a positive memorable freshman year at PCHS. I had more than one occassion that I sent an e-mail requesting an appointment with Mr. Segars and was given an immediate time and date. Mr. Mc Allister was also always available. I am active in the school system and have been for many years and think that Mr. Fincher will bring even more positive to the school.
There are going to be those that will find fault with someone at any given time just so they can complain. I am sure they will find a reason to gripe soon enough. Time will tell.
I will end this by saying Thanks to Mr. Segars and Mr. McAllister! There are those that appreciate you and the time and energy you put into our school and kids!
From a parents point of view - I was very proud to say that my student, that is also an athlete, had a positive memorable freshman year at PCHS. I had more than one occassion that I sent an e-mail requesting an appointment with Mr. Segars and was given an immediate time and date. Mr. Mc Allister was also always available. I am active in the school system and have been for many years and think that Mr. Fincher will bring even more positive to the school.
There are going to be those that will find fault with someone at any given time just so they can complain. I am sure they will find a reason to gripe soon enough. Time will tell.
I will end this by saying Thanks to Mr. Segars and Mr. McAllister! There are those that appreciate you and the time and energy you put into our school and kids!
If Segars and McAllister were so great, the why do you think Mr. Fincher will bring even more positive to the school? I'm glad they are both gone. Maybe PCHS can once again try to regain whatever morale they had lost under the Segars regime.
I've always thought a good lashing with a buggy whip would benefit you immensely.
(Rhett Butler speaking to Miss Scarlett)
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