A brief item in the AJC today: $4 million Paulding road widening is approved A widening project for the busiest county road in Paulding County was approved unanimously by the Paulding County Board of Commissioners.
The $4.3 million widening of Bill Carruth Parkway from two to four lanes should take about 18 months, said Scott Greene, the county's transportation di¬rector.
E.R. Snell Contractor of Snellville will do the work.
The 1.3-mile project will stretch from U.S. 278 to the Norfolk Southern Railroad bridge.
CAROLYN CUNNINGHAM, FOR THE AJC
Of course, I have to ask why it wasn't built as a 4-lane in the first place?
Also saw that an open house at the end of the month, I think it's on the 24th, at a church in Cobb County, which includes a portion of Charles Hardy Parkway (120) and posted today, an open house about detours in connection with the construction of East Hiram Parkway, soon to be renamed I'm sure.
Gosh, we won't be able to get anywhere for a while!!!
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AustinPlantation, on 15 April 2010 - 04:56 PM, said:
A brief item in the AJC today: $4 million Paulding road widening is approved A widening project for the busiest county road in Paulding County was approved unanimously by the Paulding County Board of Commissioners.
The $4.3 million widening of Bill Carruth Parkway from two to four lanes should take about 18 months, said Scott Greene, the county's transportation di¬rector.
E.R. Snell Contractor of Snellville will do the work.
The 1.3-mile project will stretch from U.S. 278 to the Norfolk Southern Railroad bridge.
CAROLYN CUNNINGHAM, FOR THE AJC
Of course, I have to ask why it wasn't built as a 4-lane in the first place?
Also saw that an open house at the end of the month, I think it's on the 24th, at a church in Cobb County, which includes a portion of Charles Hardy Parkway (120) and posted today, an open house about detours in connection with the construction of East Hiram Parkway, soon to be renamed I'm sure.
Gosh, we won't be able to get anywhere for a while!!!
I am certain King Jerry and his merry round table could provide an answer for your question. Of course several members of his roundtable had residential developments planned for that stretch of the road, so who knows?
When you think they are ganging up against you....."Illigitimus non es carborundum"
I am certain King Jerry and his merry round table could provide an answer for your question. Of course several members of his roundtable had residential developments planned for that stretch of the road, so who knows?
Why don't ya call Jerry up, eh?
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4.3 MILLION for just over a mile long?
It's not even going to be 4 laned to the high school turnoff. What use is that going to be other than cause a traffic jam with people going downhill and trying to merge in?
You can bet the speeds (not the speed limit) are going to increase and those inconsiderate folks will continue to speed around on the right and force themselves in between cars instead of being a courteous driver and get in line. Just look how people have to drive fast uphill past the hospital on Bill Carruth to merge themselves in. They're just moving the problem further down the road and going to make it worse.
The road should have been 4 laned from 278 to 92 when it was built! It's always cheaper, faster, and safer to build a 4 lane than to widen a 2 lane road with traffic already on it.
Paulding is never looking far enough down the road. Poor planning once again.
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4.3 MILLION just just over a mile long?
It's not even going to be 4 laned to the high school turnoff. What use is that going to be other than cause a traffic jam with people going downhill and trying to merge in?
You can bet the speeds (not the speed limit) are going to increase and those inconsiderate folks will continue to speed around on the right and force themselves in between cars instead of being a courteous driver and get in line. Just look how people have to drive fast uphill past the hospital on Bill Carruth to merge themselves in. They're just moving the problem further down the road and going to make it worse.
The road should have been 4 laned from 278 to 92 when it was built! It's always cheaper, faster, and safer to build a 4 lane than to widen a 2 lane road with traffic already on it.
Paulding is never looking far enough down the road. Poor planning once again.
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Thanks dude, I could not have said it better.
When you think they are ganging up against you....."Illigitimus non es carborundum"
wait until they get down to Hiran Sudie Road. There have been enough accidents down there already from folks turning left without being able to see oncoming traffic.
They should flatten that corner and make the lights so the left turns are separate from the folks going straight.
Georgia Dawg, on 15 April 2010 - 06:54 PM, said:
4.3 MILLION for just over a mile long?
It's not even going to be 4 laned to the high school turnoff. What use is that going to be other than cause a traffic jam with people going downhill and trying to merge in?
You can bet the speeds (not the speed limit) are going to increase and those inconsiderate folks will continue to speed around on the right and force themselves in between cars instead of being a courteous driver and get in line. Just look how people have to drive fast uphill past the hospital on Bill Carruth to merge themselves in. They're just moving the problem further down the road and going to make it worse.
The road should have been 4 laned from 278 to 92 when it was built! It's always cheaper, faster, and safer to build a 4 lane than to widen a 2 lane road with traffic already on it.
Paulding is never looking far enough down the road. Poor planning once again.
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Mel
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Yeah, the interesection of Bill Carruth and Hiram-Sudie needs some major re-working.
I just realized that by widening the road closer to the traffic light and down the hill will increase the opportunity for the popo to hand out speeding awards and help offset the costs of that portion of road.
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I guess PCOM just wouldn't be PCOM without the rampant bashing of EVERTYTHING that goes on in Paulding County. Even the AJC took their jab at the bashing. Had they did just a little research they would have know that Bill Carruth has no where close to the amount of traffic as many of the other roads of the roads. I guess most of yall are good for a laugh or two!
For those who may not know, or choose to forget the fine details, the widening of the road is an agreement with a large medical group that is building a new location across from the hospital. This medical group will be building about $150 Million Medical center (mostly lab testing I think) and bringing about 100 high paying medical jobs to Paulding County!
Bill Carruth was designed from the beginning to be a 4-lane, engineering already done, land already purchased. The additional lane will be built NEXT to the current lanes with a divided median. Should be minimum interference to current traffic.
I guess PCOM just wouldn't be PCOM without the rampant bashing of EVERTYTHING that goes on in Paulding County. Even the AJC took their jab at the bashing. Had they did just a little research they would have know that Bill Carruth has no where close to the amount of traffic as many of the other roads of the roads. I guess most of yall are good for a laugh or two!
For those who may not know, or choose to forget the fine details, the widening of the road is an agreement with a large medical group that is building a new location across from the hospital. This medical group will be building about $150 Million Medical center (mostly lab testing I think) and bringing about 100 high paying medical jobs to Paulding County!
Bill Carruth was designed from the beginning to be a 4-lane, engineering already done, land already purchased. The additional lane will be built NEXT to the current lanes with a divided median. Should be minimum interference to current traffic.
Do you really believe the bridges over the SCT and RR tracks were designed for a 4-lane???
I guess PCOM just wouldn't be PCOM without the rampant bashing of EVERTYTHING that goes on in Paulding County. Even the AJC took their jab at the bashing. Had they did just a little research they would have know that Bill Carruth has no where close to the amount of traffic as many of the other roads of the roads. I guess most of yall are good for a laugh or two!
For those who may not know, or choose to forget the fine details, the widening of the road is an agreement with a large medical group that is building a new location across from the hospital. This medical group will be building about $150 Million Medical center (mostly lab testing I think) and bringing about 100 high paying medical jobs to Paulding County!
Bill Carruth was designed from the beginning to be a 4-lane, engineering already done, land already purchased. The additional lane will be built NEXT to the current lanes with a divided median. Should be minimum interference to current traffic.
Thank you Winchester for setting the record straight on this.
I just have to laugh as several posts within this thread have proven me correct in that some here will never be satisfied and will never quit complaining regardless of who is in office and what decisions are made. We all of course have the right to voice our opinions; however, once again, this thread has proven that some will never be happy.
I trust our Commission Chairman and our Board of Commissioners and applaud their efforts in doing what is best for our county. They have some very hard decisions to make, especially in light of the hard economic times. They thankfully have the knowledge, education, and foresight to make intelligent, informed decisions for our county and its residents.
Easy to tell who on this thread know little or nothing about highway or road construction.
The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can't pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies… America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.Senator Barack Obama
Thank you Winchester for setting the record straight on this.
I just have to laugh as several posts within this thread have proven me correct in that some here will never be satisfied and will never quit complaining regardless of who is in office and what decisions are made. We all of course have the right to voice our opinions; however, once again, this thread has proven that some will never be happy.
I trust our Commission Chairman and our Board of Commissioners and applaud their efforts in doing what is best for our county. They have some very hard decisions to make, especially in light of the hard economic times. They thankfully have the knowledge, education, and foresight to make intelligent, informed decisions for our county and its residents.
You got a little brown smudge on the end of your nose there.
I work for the company that actually did the design work for Paulding DOT, in fact I did a decent portion of the work on it.
It is correct that it will be widened to one side only. It will be paved full depth on the new side and overlay on the existing. Construction will be staged so that traffic will be able to pass.
The project originally was only to widen to the first bridge, but was later extended to include both bridges. That should allow for easier widening in the future. I don't work much in the bridge design side of things, so I'll have to look at some plans tomorrow to see what is being done about the bridges. I can't remember what the design speed of the road was, but I'll look for that as well. I think it is 45. If there are any more questions like this, I'll do my best to answer them.
Does anyone know what contractor was awarded the project?
I understand. But what dumbares not to do it when the resources were in place during construction knowing damn well it was to be a 4-lane
Because traffic count forecasts did justify the expense at that time to build a 4-lane. State funded road projects seldom make sense until you talk to the right people.
Because traffic count forecasts did justify the expense at that time to build a 4-lane. State funded road projects seldom make sense until you talk to the right people.
Yep, right people. State people the funds come from. I believe most folks pay into the fed, state, and local funds. So be it, such a political process. Did the East Hiram Pkwy project get scrapped????
And, there is supposed to be an Open House in Cobb, on the 24th I beleive, about construction on Hardy Parkway (120).
rockster, on 15 April 2010 - 10:20 PM, said:
Yep, right people. State people the funds come from. I believe most folks pay into the fed, state, and local funds. So be it, such a political process. Did the East Hiram Pkwy project get scrapped????
Mel
------------------------------------------------------- An optomist may not get there any faster, but he'll enjoy the trip more If you believe you can, you can --- and if you can't, at least you believed you could!
And, there is supposed to be an Open House in Cobb, on the 24th I beleive, about construction on Hardy Parkway (120).
That is OLD news which should've happened at least 6 yrs ago while doing the project, IMO. Do you even think expanding hwy 92 will ever happen??? Stuff MAY happen in bits and pieces, but really do it in one try. What is proposed now.....cut up the well forseen West Hiram Pkwy into to minor exspensive projects???
I guess PCOM just wouldn't be PCOM without the rampant bashing of EVERTYTHING that goes on in Paulding County. Even the AJC took their jab at the bashing. Had they did just a little research they would have know that Bill Carruth has no where close to the amount of traffic as many of the other roads of the roads. I guess most of yall are good for a laugh or two!
For those who may not know, or choose to forget the fine details, the widening of the road is an agreement with a large medical group that is building a new location across from the hospital. This medical group will be building about $150 Million Medical center (mostly lab testing I think) and bringing about 100 high paying medical jobs to Paulding County!
Bill Carruth was designed from the beginning to be a 4-lane, engineering already done, land already purchased. The additional lane will be built NEXT to the current lanes with a divided median. Should be minimum interference to current traffic.
Oh, you are so wrong. They didn't even purchase or "engineer" the turning lane coming from Hiram Sudie in the beginning. They came back after the road was built and tried to take it calling it an "easement". I demanded payment for the extra 1/4 acre of mine they were taking and they eventually had to pay. They tore out my field lines in the process of building the turning lane because the were to stupid to realize I had a septic tank w/300ft of line. And trust me, they have not purchased enough land to build another lane. Another lane will take out my entire back yard and bury my entire tank and field lines, making the home null and void, and no, they haven't paid me for that. Your comments are totally in error.
Thank you Winchester for setting the record straight on this.
I just have to laugh as several posts within this thread have proven me correct in that some here will never be satisfied and will never quit complaining regardless of who is in office and what decisions are made. We all of course have the right to voice our opinions; however, once again, this thread has proven that some will never be happy.
I trust our Commission Chairman and our Board of Commissioners and applaud their efforts in doing what is best for our county. They have some very hard decisions to make, especially in light of the hard economic times. They thankfully have the knowledge, education, and foresight to make intelligent, informed decisions for our county and its residents.
No, the record, as usual, is not straight. See my post above.
Yeah, the interesection of Bill Carruth and Hiram-Sudie needs some major re-working.
I just realized that by widening the road closer to the traffic light and down the hill will increase the opportunity for the popo to hand out speeding awards and help offset the costs of that portion of road.
Yeah, the interesection of Bill Carruth and Hiram-Sudie needs some major re-working.
I just realized that by widening the road closer to the traffic light and down the hill will increase the opportunity for the popo to hand out speeding awards and help offset the costs of that portion of road.
In a sense, it will be Pauldings First "Toll" Road.
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4.3 MILLION for just over a mile long?
It's not even going to be 4 laned to the high school turnoff. What use is that going to be other than cause a traffic jam with people going downhill and trying to merge in?
You can bet the speeds (not the speed limit) are going to increase and those inconsiderate folks will continue to speed around on the right and force themselves in between cars instead of being a courteous driver and get in line. Just look how people have to drive fast uphill past the hospital on Bill Carruth to merge themselves in. They're just moving the problem further down the road and going to make it worse.
The road should have been 4 laned from 278 to 92 when it was built! It's always cheaper, faster, and safer to build a 4 lane than to widen a 2 lane road with traffic already on it.
Paulding is never looking far enough down the road. Poor planning once again.
I agree ! and the inconsiderate people who won't get in line really "p" me off too.
AustinPlantation, on 15 April 2010 - 04:56 PM, said:
A brief item in the AJC today: $4 million Paulding road widening is approved A widening project for the busiest county road in Paulding County was approved unanimously by the Paulding County Board of Commissioners.
The $4.3 million widening of Bill Carruth Parkway from two to four lanes should take about 18 months, said Scott Greene, the county's transportation di¬rector.
E.R. Snell Contractor of Snellville will do the work.
The 1.3-mile project will stretch from U.S. 278 to the Norfolk Southern Railroad bridge.
CAROLYN CUNNINGHAM, FOR THE AJC
Of course, I have to ask why it wasn't built as a 4-lane in the first place?
(Snip) Gosh, we won't be able to get anywhere for a while!!!
I whole heartedly agress with the bolded statements above. But note the underlined. It will do nothing solve the majority of the overcrowding if they only go to the railroad bridge. Oh yeah, and anyone who says it doesn't need to be widened, doesn't drive it every day. But PLEASE raise the speed limit to 55. 45 on that road (as well as on Hiram Sudie) is rediculous. It is strictly a money making (traffic fines) thing to have the limit so low on those roads.
My brother just visited here from Philadelphia, PA area last weekend. He COULD not BELIEVE that there are the huge drop offs on the sides of our roads, with NO guardrails and he drives FAST normally (has an 8 cylinder, late model BMW- that thing FLIES!)he wanted me to petition Paulding County to put up guardrails along the roads- I had to chuckle! Also, I think if they increased the posted speed to 55 mph on Hiram-Sudie ( which we live off of ) people would just do 60-65 mph.. and THAT speed on Hiram-Sudie is NOT O.K.....- so lets just leave it posted at 45!
The thing is it WAS 50 in the middle (from about where Bill Carruth to just before Davis Mill) and 45 on both ends as you approached 92 on one end and 61 on the other. Then nothing was said the 50 signs were just removed. At one point there remained a sign just before Settlers Mill subdivision that said Reduce Speed Ahead with the 45 sign closer to Davis Mill. That sign also diappeared. So does the signs disappearing mean the speed limit changed? Or is the part in the middle still rated at 50 just no one knows it?
Aren't there several LEO's on here? Could any of you answer that/those questions? I like to be lawabiding but feel we got jipped just because the signs have not been replaced.
I just looked at the drawings and it is 45 mph the whole way.
The project goes from 278 just up to the bridge over the Norfolk Southern. That bridge will not be touched.
The bridge over the Silver Comet will actually be widened, so no "new" bridge adjacent.
The half of the project nearest the bridges has guardrail.
Yep, right people. State people the funds come from. I believe most folks pay into the fed, state, and local funds. So be it, such a political process. Did the East Hiram Pkwy project get scrapped????
It's fully funded and just about ready to go. It took 3 years for the Army Corp of ENG. to approve the project because of the "wetlands" the road crosses. Approval was given late last summer and right of way purchasing started. They should be ready to start construction soon. I guess that is what this meeing is about.
That is OLD news which should've happened at least 6 yrs ago while doing the project, IMO. Do you even think expanding hwy 92 will ever happen??? Stuff MAY happen in bits and pieces, but really do it in one try. What is proposed now.....cut up the well forseen West Hiram Pkwy into to minor exspensive projects???
State GDOT road project, the County has no control over that. This road has been on the "board" since 1970 and still has not been approved or funded by the State. I wouldn't hold my breath on this one.
Oh, you are so wrong. They didn't even purchase or "engineer" the turning lane coming from Hiram Sudie in the beginning. They came back after the road was built and tried to take it calling it an "easement". I demanded payment for the extra 1/4 acre of mine they were taking and they eventually had to pay. They tore out my field lines in the process of building the turning lane because the were to stupid to realize I had a septic tank w/300ft of line. And trust me, they have not purchased enough land to build another lane. Another lane will take out my entire back yard and bury my entire tank and field lines, making the home null and void, and no, they haven't paid me for that. Your comments are totally in error.
I haven't commented about this section of road as the 4-laning is NOT going that far to begin with.
So MY comments were well within the scope of the topic and the information I have came directly from the County's DOT director. And he wouldn't discuss those types of issues with me.
So, did you get a free sewer hook up because of them tearing up your septic field? You should have!
ShortyRT, on 16 April 2010 - 09:16 AM, said:
I whole heartedly agress with the bolded statements above. But note the underlined. It will do nothing solve the majority of the overcrowding if they only go to the railroad bridge. Oh yeah, and anyone who says it doesn't need to be widened, doesn't drive it every day. But PLEASE raise the speed limit to 55. 45 on that road (as well as on Hiram Sudie) is rediculous. It is strictly a money making (traffic fines) thing to have the limit so low on those roads.
You will need to talk to the State DOT about that. The County cannot set speed limits on ANY road.
ShortyRT, on 16 April 2010 - 10:01 AM, said:
The thing is it WAS 50 in the middle (from about where Bill Carruth to just before Davis Mill) and 45 on both ends as you approached 92 on one end and 61 on the other. Then nothing was said the 50 signs were just removed. At one point there remained a sign just before Settlers Mill subdivision that said Reduce Speed Ahead with the 45 sign closer to Davis Mill. That sign also diappeared. So does the signs disappearing mean the speed limit changed? Or is the part in the middle still rated at 50 just no one knows it?
Aren't there several LEO's on here? Could any of you answer that/those questions? I like to be lawabiding but feel we got jipped just because the signs have not been replaced.
Speed limits and the placement of the signs is controlled ONLY by the State DOT. The County has no control on this.
First off...the COUNTY does have the say-so on what a road can be posted. You can have a design speed of 55 done....but it only be posted at 45. If it's a state hghway....nope the county don't have a say-so..
There is something that we use to design by. It's called AASHTO. They put out someone we call "The Green Book" It's a policy on Geometric Design of Highways and Streets. EVERY DOT and contractor designing highways use this.
Hiram-Sudie, Ridge Road, Nebo Road are all County roads. 278, Hwy 61 and SR 92 are State Roads. Most "County Roads" will never be higher than 50! Prime example is Nebo Road. Part of Nebo Road is 50. But when you cross Dallas Nebo the road is 45.
The design speed for Nebo was/is at 50. But because of the 2 schools close together it is safer at 45 through there.
Hwy 92 widening project is done if phases and sub-phases. They have already started the initial phase of widening of 92 in Douglasville. Douglas County paid for the engineering services and part of the construction services.
edit to add...JSBEAGLE just said that the firm he works for did the design. From what I got from what he said...those wasn't done along time ago. (Like when the road was first designed) But hey...I could have misunderstood.
AASHTO. Now, that's funny --- describes the situation perfectly --- say it 5 times fast!!!
But, seriously folks --- making them wait in line by the stinkfields when it's backed up is even funnier.
If they're doing it for the hospital complex, they only have to widen a short strip south of 278. Use the rest to fix the Hiram Sudie intersection.
I'm sure the county can set the speed limit.
GeorgiaTornado, on 16 April 2010 - 12:00 PM, said:
First off...the COUNTY does have the say-so on what a road can be posted. You can have a design speed of 55 done....but it only be posted at 45. If it's a state hghway....nope the county don't have a say-so..
There is something that we use to design by. It's called AASHTO. They put out someone we call "The Green Book" It's a policy on Geometric Design of Highways and Streets. EVERY DOT and contractor designing highways use this.
Hiram-Sudie, Ridge Road, Nebo Road are all County roads. 278, Hwy 61 and SR 92 are State Roads. Most "County Roads" will never be higher than 50! Prime example is Nebo Road. Part of Nebo Road is 50. But when you cross Dallas Nebo the road is 45.
The design speed for Nebo was/is at 50. But because of the 2 schools close together it is safer at 45 through there.
Hwy 92 widening project is done if phases and sub-phases. They have already started the initial phase of widening of 92 in Douglasville. Douglas County paid for the engineering services and part of the construction services.
edit to add...JSBEAGLE just said that the firm he works for did the design. From what I got from what he said...those wasn't done along time ago. (Like when the road was first designed) But hey...I could have misunderstood.
Mel
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GeorgiaTornado, on 16 April 2010 - 12:22 PM, said:
we just say the green book. But some folks do call it ASH-TOE
Mel
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