[methyl1]

Heard today that the Hiram coach was fired for subduing one if his players this past friday at the Hiram vs. Paulding county game. Is this true?

[Cuteyellowbug]

wow...

[DallasRED]

[AIRBORNE MOM]

Heard today that the Hiram coach was fired for subduing one if his players this past friday at the Hiram vs. Paulding county game. Is this true?

Whatchu talking about Willis?

[NC-17]

Wonder of you could call the school and find out.

[Derf]

I hope not. If so I would be dissapointed in the BOE. How can you fire a coach for trying to prevent a fight from getting out of hand. Its a sad day when parents press charges on a coach or teacher for stepping in on their out of control child.

[edu]

I heard about a very bad fight at the game but was surprised to not see anything mentioned on P.com.

I have heard of teachers in the past being suspended and losing jobs over the physical handling of student involved in a fight. Many older teachers have learned to let the kids fight it out to avoid legal issues esp when the the teachers get no support from the BOE.

[spunky]

It was a fight between one of PCHS vs one of Hirams football players on the field in between plays. No big deal. That happens sometimes. Yes, Hirams coach did put his body on top of his player trying to separate the fight. Thats it, no more & no less.

[HiramGirl]

Well, if the coach at East didn't get fired, the coach at Hiram shouldn't.

[moejoefoe]

i saw the fight - it was not anything much - Hiram coach did lay on top of his player to calm him down - but no one was hurt. He shouldnt be fired for that. Y

[Derf]

i saw the fight - it was not anything much - Hiram coach did lay on top of his player to calm him down - but no one was hurt. He shouldnt be fired for that. Y

East parents reliazed there son was wrong and forgave the coach, however hiram parent must have chosen to file charges.

[methyl1]

East parents reliazed there son was wrong and forgave the coach, however hiram parent must have chosen to file charges.

WRONG! Coach was wrong period. Coach apologized to player, his parents and team. That should have been the end of it. But the BOE stepped in and suspended him for five days. If the players parents hadn't stepped up for the coach with the interviewer from the BOE then he might have been fired as well. Players parents reiterated repeatedly that his apology was enough, and that their desire was that nothing to happen to him that would be disruptive to the team or the coaches family. A suspension was disruptive to both.

People make mistakes. Even good coaches. Thing is, no one was harmed, and he was man enough to admit his mistake and apologize for it.

If Hirams coach was fired then that is a shame. I wonder if it was the head coach ior an assistant that subdued the player?

Anyway the Hiram coach should be applauded not fired.

[Derf]

Coach was wrong in EPs case I should have pointed this out, but so was the student. However the Hiram coach was not wrong he was stopping a fight, to bad our BOE needs an overhaul.

[edu]

WRONG! Coach was wrong period. Coach apologized to player, his parents and team. That should have been the end of it. But the BOE stepped in and suspended him for five days. If the players parents hadn't stepped up for the coach with the interviewer from the BOE then he might have been fired as well. Players parents reiterated repeatedly that his apology was enough, and that their desire was that nothing to happen to him that would be disruptive to the team or the coaches family. A suspension was disruptive to both.

People make mistakes. Even good coaches. Thing is, no one was harmed, and he was man enough to admit his mistake and apologize for it.

If Hirams coach was fired then that is a shame. I wonder if it was the head coach ior an assistant that subdued the player?

Anyway the Hiram coach should be applauded not fired.

What the East coach did was to be investigated by the PPC because it was wrong. What the HHS coach did was try to stop a fight.

[methyl1]

What the East coach did was to be investigated by the PPC because it was wrong. What the HHS coach did was try to stop a fight.

I'm missing your point. Please elaborate.

[pauldingresident1]

What edu stated about teachers letting the students fight it out is correct. Not only because of legal issues but also fear of physical harm. Try stopping 2 high school kids that are dead set on fighting???

It's shameful if the the coach was fired or even suspended. I was at the game--it really was no big deal. Sadly, the person that yells and threatens the most gets his/her way.

Remember when there was no such thing as being politically correct? Do you remember how you were brought up? How if your teacher or principal called your parents,, you were pretty much in for it? I miss those days. It was so much easier.

Just my .02 cents.

[grumps]

WRONG! Coach was wrong period. Coach apologized to player, his parents and team. That should have been the end of it. But the BOE stepped in and suspended him for five days. If the players parents hadn't stepped up for the coach with the interviewer from the BOE then he might have been fired as well. Players parents reiterated repeatedly that his apology was enough, and that their desire was that nothing to happen to him that would be disruptive to the team or the coaches family. A suspension was disruptive to both.

People make mistakes. Even good coaches. Thing is, no one was harmed, and he was man enough to admit his mistake and apologize for it.

If Hirams coach was fired then that is a shame. I wonder if it was the head coach ior an assistant that subdued the player?

Anyway the Hiram coach should be applauded not fired.

What am I missing here? If what i read is that the coach only stopped a fight and nothing more, why in the heck is he apologizing to any one. With the facts stated here, everyone ought to be apologizing to the coach.

[Grayce]

What am I missing here? If what i read is that the coach only stopped a fight and nothing more, why in the heck is he apologizing to any one. With the facts stated here, everyone ought to be apologizing to the coach.

2 different subjects

[grumps]

2 different subjects

sorry . OPD (old people disease) set in for a moment

[November Rain]

As I said the other day:

One of my coworkers is the mother of one of the Hiram players, and she was really upset about Coach Dorsey picking up the guy who was fighting and slamming him on the ground, then getting on top of him. Brought back memories of the McEachern game I went to when I was in 9th or 10th grade at McEachern when Coach Dorsey played on the McEachern football team and his father, the coach, hit him over the head with a helmet.

[Grayce]

sorry . OPD (old people disease) set in for a moment

I have that from time to time also!

[bossyflossy]

As I said the other day:

One of my coworkers is the mother of one of the Hiram players, and she was really upset about Coach Dorsey picking up the guy who was fighting and slamming him on the ground, then getting on top of him. Brought back memories of the McEachern game I went to when I was in 9th or 10th grade at McEachern when Coach Dorsey played on the McEachern football team and his father, the coach, hit him over the head with a helmet.

I remembering witnessing that incident. Deja Vu...

[sugarbear]

Hmm, from what I understand (and what is on videotape?) there was no slamming down the student. Did he wrap him up, yes. Did he lay over him to get the child (who was NOT stopping no matter what) to stop going after the other student, yes.

Sounds to me like he did what he needed to do, are you telling me that the kid could not handle being wrapped up AFTER playing a tough football game???? Well then too bad, he should not have been fighting.

I have known Dorsey for many years and I can guarantee you that he would never hurt a kid...BUT if he needed to take one down to the ground to stop that student from hurting another one...then the problem with that is what???

Sorry, but I think this is a non-issue....Dorsey did what he needed to in order to stop the fight...no more, no less....maybe we should be looking at the kid who was so out of control he could not/would not stop trying to beat the crap out of someone else? Oh, that's right....student responsibility is not at the top of our concerns in this community any longer, right...just making sure that we keep our kids out of trouble????Not making them take responsibility for their actions....

Dorsey was doing what he had to in order to end the fight...period!

[jmd]

As I said the other day:

One of my coworkers is the mother of one of the Hiram players, and she was really upset about Coach Dorsey picking up the guy who was fighting and slamming him on the ground, then getting on top of him. Brought back memories of the McEachern game I went to when I was in 9th or 10th grade at McEachern when Coach Dorsey played on the McEachern football team and his father, the coach, hit him over the head with a helmet.

Hiram boys got mad at an interception and got in a fight. It got broke up but one boy decided to go back and fight again. Dorsey was accompanied by a sheriff deputy and tried to end the fight by putting the boy down off of the other boy. What was he to do just let it go on in front of the whole stadium? The mother ran on the field and had to be escorted off the field by the deputy. Kids start fights and when they get hurt by no one stopping it, then I am sure the parents will ask why no one helped their son that may of been on the receiving end. So many assumptions and no facts. And there isn't no word on Coach Dorsey being fired nor even suspended for trying to stop a fight as of today. Yesterday it was a rumor and that is all it was. If even this rumor ever rose to being the truth, you can be sure Paulding will not be able to get any good coaches for their teams. Who would want it?

I heard on the rumorville that nothing was done to these boys that were FIGHTING! The ones that caused this. I, as a mom, would be ashamed at the behavior of my child that was a visiting team and not being a good sport. I understand the teams frustration at losing but to start a brawl, nope. What are they teaching their kids? Not to take the blame but look for someone else to blame for their child's actions? Its okay for their child to punch another but crucify the one stopping it. I am just shaking my head at all of this. If that boy didn't get arrested, he should consider himself lucky. He started it a 2nd time and should of been in handcuffs.

[thatboyaintright]

The =mom= ran on the field? Mommy ran on the field to help little Johnny?

[Derf]

If this comes true Paulding county Highschool sports will be set back 20 yrs. BOE tries to get rid of EPs coach and does get rid Hirams coach. I guess Coaches will be ready to jump in to the Head coaching realm. Who declares if a coach is to be fired anyways? I was just wondering? Also how can you compare this to what his father did? His father lost control his son was in control and took down a kid.

[November Rain]

Dorsey was doing what he had to in order to end the fight...period!

When the other mother told me about what happened, I said "sounds like the kid got what he deserved." Of course she didn't like my comment either.

[sugarbear]

When the other mother told me about what happened, I said "sounds like the kid got what he deserved." Of course she didn't like my comment either.

Oh, OK. Sorry I misinterpreted what you thought. I apologize for that. I just get frustrated sometimes...especially when "Mommy" has to jump in to "protect" her son who was trying to beat up someone else...UGH!!!!

[james_mills]

Hmm, from what I understand (and what is on videotape?) there was no slamming down the student. Did he wrap him up, yes. Did he lay over him to get the child (who was NOT stopping no matter what) to stop going after the other student, yes.

Sounds to me like he did what he needed to do, are you telling me that the kid could not handle being wrapped up AFTER playing a tough football game???? Well then too bad, he should not have been fighting.

I have known Dorsey for many years and I can guarantee you that he would never hurt a kid...BUT if he needed to take one down to the ground to stop that student from hurting another one...then the problem with that is what???

Sorry, but I think this is a non-issue....Dorsey did what he needed to in order to stop the fight...no more, no less....maybe we should be looking at the kid who was so out of control he could not/would not stop trying to beat the crap out of someone else? Oh, that's right....student responsibility is not at the top of our concerns in this community any longer, right...just making sure that we keep our kids out of trouble????Not making them take responsibility for their actions....

Dorsey was doing what he had to in order to end the fight...period!

I was there and saw the whole thing. the coach ran in, pulled his player off of the other player and I thought was just going to take him quickly away from the scene of the fight when he picked him up and slammed him to the ground with the kid's feet flying in the air over the coaches head. Up to that point, I feel he was ok, but when he slammed the kid to the ground, he went over the line. He had already moved him away by over 10 yards and had him under control. The slamming to the ground was totally uncalled for. Everyone sitting around me (on the Hiram side) were all saying this was way over the line. There was at least one child who was ejected from the game. I am not sure which one. I am certain that anyone reviewing the video would agree this is an accurate, impartial, eye witness account.

This post has been edited by james_mills: 13 November 2007 - 10:13 PM

[NC-17]

I was there and saw the whole thing. the coach ran in, pulled his player off of the other player and I thought was just going to take him quickly away from the scene of the fight when he picked him up and slammed him to the ground with the kid's feet flying in the air over the coaches head. Up to that point, I feel he was ok, but when he slammed the kid to the ground, he went over the line. I am certain that anyone reviewing the video would agree this is an accurate, impartial, eye witness account.

please tell me that a quick thinking referee threw a flag for unnecessary roughness.

[james_mills]

please tell me that a quick thinking referee threw a flag for unnecessary roughness.

yes, but when the coach got there, there were two referees who were just standing there watching the fight (probably shouting at them to stop) but not touching either player.

[hornetsfan]

Hmm, from what I understand (and what is on videotape?) there was no slamming down the student. Did he wrap him up, yes. Did he lay over him to get the child (who was NOT stopping no matter what) to stop going after the other student, yes.

Sounds to me like he did what he needed to do, are you telling me that the kid could not handle being wrapped up AFTER playing a tough football game???? Well then too bad, he should not have been fighting.

I have known Dorsey for many years and I can guarantee you that he would never hurt a kid...BUT if he needed to take one down to the ground to stop that student from hurting another one...then the problem with that is what???

Sorry, but I think this is a non-issue....Dorsey did what he needed to in order to stop the fight...no more, no less....maybe we should be looking at the kid who was so out of control he could not/would not stop trying to beat the crap out of someone else? Oh, that's right....student responsibility is not at the top of our concerns in this community any longer, right...just making sure that we keep our kids out of trouble????Not making them take responsibility for their actions....

Dorsey was doing what he had to in order to end the fight...period!

I AGREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU PEOPLE NEED TO GET A LIFE AND STOP TRYING TO END OTHERS

This post has been edited by hornetsfan: 13 November 2007 - 10:28 PM

[jmd]

I was there and saw the whole thing. the coach ran in, pulled his player off of the other player and I thought was just going to take him quickly away from the scene of the fight when he picked him up and slammed him to the ground with the kid's feet flying in the air over the coaches head. Up to that point, I feel he was ok, but when he slammed the kid to the ground, he went over the line. He had already moved him away by over 10 yards and had him under control. The slamming to the ground was totally uncalled for. Everyone sitting around me (on the Hiram side) were all saying this was way over the line. There was at least one child who was ejected from the game. I am not sure which one. I am certain that anyone reviewing the video would agree this is an accurate, impartial, eye witness account.

I am sure after the first brawl they thought it was under control till this one went back for more. Its okay to crucify the coach over the kids behavior. Like I said, if this one child didn't go for a second round of fighting, this never would of occurred. Up in the stands is a bit different then on the field listening to what the boy was saying. It may of looked settled but was it really? It takes a long time to cool off a person that is in a fighting mode.

I believe this boy went over the line going back to fight a 2nd time. Their conduct on the field was uncalled for. Or do we teach our kids its okay to fight as long as your losing. The boy should of been arrested. If it happened in school, he would have been. Why not because it happened during a football game? Unnecessary roughness is allowed? He was still on school property. Or is it because of the amount of boys that were fighting would be too much to suspend them all. Just wondering though why someone came back for a 2nd round of fighting and was not disciplined. They can act how they want just because they are a football player? But then they deserve the cushion treatment and respect and rely on their word that they won't go back for a 3rd round.

[Ugadawgs98]

Wow....teachers get in trouble for breaking up fights now. Then we wonder why each generation of kids is more screwed up than the last.

[Madea]

One of my coworkers is the mother of one of the Hiram players, and she was really upset about Coach Dorsey picking up the guy who was fighting and slamming him on the ground, then getting on top of him. Brought back memories of the McEachern game I went to when I was in 9th or 10th grade at McEachern when Coach Dorsey played on the McEachern football team and his father, the coach, hit him over the head with a helmet.

I went to McEachern, and remember Coach Dorsey. I do not recall the helmet incident. Must have been a different time period.

[November Rain]

please tell me that a quick thinking referee threw a flag for unnecessary roughness.

yes, but when the coach got there, there were two referees who were just standing there watching the fight (probably shouting at them to stop) but not touching either player.

I believe NC meant unnecessary roughness by the coach

I went to McEachern, and remember Coach Dorsey. I do not recall the helmet incident. Must have been a different time period.

I think it was was the '95-'96 school year.

[raclay]

Wow....teachers get in trouble for breaking up fights now. Then we wonder why each generation of kids is more screwed up than the last.

Yep! Some parents need to realize they are their children's PARENTS and not just a friend.

[hornetsfan]

Wow....teachers get in trouble for breaking up fights now. Then we wonder why each generation of kids is more screwed up than the last.

i know i can tell you if that was my son and he did that i don't care if he is 8 or 18 he would have gottan his a$$ beat when he got home kids this day and time have no respect

This post has been edited by hornetsfan: 14 November 2007 - 04:22 AM

[epmom0971]

When did it become OK for kids to act anyway they want -on or off the field- and parents, administration,public not expect the person in charge to correct them?
If Coach Dorsey and/or Coach Reid had not stepped in and a bigger problem had broken out would they not have been blamed for this also??? Coaches are not supermen with magic powers to predict what the outcome of a situation will be. You work a bunch of hormonal teenagers into a frenzy to play a big game and there are going to be times when they don't do the right thing...That is when a coach must step in. I am proud of what our boys and Coaches have done at EAST and know how difficult and disruptive any controversy can be to the whole school. Just as I know Coach Reid , I also know Coach Dorsey and know neither would ever purposely do anything to hurt a child..We will be praying for him and his family that they do not have to go thru what we did at East.

I also agree with the post that we will not be able to get any good coaches in Paulding County if administration does not back them. Go WIN bring that trophy home....Just don't do or say anything controversial or we will suspend you or fire you or harrass you if you score too many points. That's the kind of job you could not pay most of us to take.

GO RAIDER'S WE LOVE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[AIRBORNE MOM]

I wasn't there so I can't say but, I hope everything works out for the betterment of all involved.

Guys.. it's HIGH SCHOOL, not college nor the pros. To be honest, in 20 years, no one is going to really care what happened in High School unless they are living the song by Springsteen "Glory Days"! It's not worth gettting into a fight over a football play. Talk smack all you want and then back it up with your abilities... not by fighting because things didn't go your way.